Im a sex addict and have been one for many years

As much as I really hate your formatting Tommy (and I do mean I despise it) that was a really good post.

As a matter of fact your Post Script has a lot to do with my tone when it comes to this situation. I quite agree.

JGPS, again you sidestep the issue. You accuse me of being ascetic and or gnostic. These terms you are using incorrectly. I agree with marriage, I've been married even longer than yourself. I think sex is fantastic. I never felt the need to spell that out for someone. Here's where I'm disagreeing with you. It should not define your relationship. If sex is the primary thing that brings you together then that marriage is going to have some serious issues. We are called to be holy, and seek His Kingdom first. You come across as seeking pleasure first.

Well that's a pretty good statement of your position that helps clarify things. See, its not so hard to say 'this is where we disagree' rather than 'ZOMG you're and evil false teacher'

Anyway my position is that a marriage is something he should have, not that his problem should define his marriage. Having compatible desires in every respect is important, sex included. Horny is a valid qualifier since it would match his desires. I can't say much for other qualifiers because we no nothing else about him. Certainly other qualifiers would exist.

Though we had an interesting thread going a while back about approaches to meeting people started by someone who was mildly anti-dating. My position there was that even in a totally arranged marriage two honest to God Christians should be able to create a very strong marriage because a great deal of what makes a marriage is the disposition of those in it rather than their 'comparability' in terms of what they happen to like and dislike. Considering I think people should be able to make a solid go of it even with only outside forces being their primary grounds, sex being their primary grounds is really not very bad.

Me seeking pleasure first is entirely your own inflections. I recommended 2 things, pray for the need to be met and find a way not to sin in the meantime. If this topic was about anything other than sex no one in their right mind would disagree with me, but because it is about sex it takes people out of their right minds.

At least we can both agree with Tommy.

Agreeing with Tommy doesn't stop you from being a devil. That's a very unhealthy place to be.

The only place you disagreed with me was where you invented for yourself what my position actually was and wanted to substantiate your accusations of what my motivations are based on your false premise.

You've got a lot of underlying hate and suspicion in your posts. Clearly you're backing down the scale of your offensive as it's failing, but you need to deal with the underlying issues that started your tirade in the first place.

Agree with you.
Lust can be incredibly destructive and selfish and can be missused and addictive hurting many people around you but what do you care if you feel good and high.
Sexuality nice be respected and channeled through christ and respected how breed.Not for lust , money etc.
Maybe you can be blessed with a wife you can have a true lovelife with first, channeling your nine into beauty and love and goodness and then further that into something sacred and deeper than lust and then make love truly and deeply.

Sacred sex/lovelife that you honour and respect and that it took a lot get there.
You endured and levelled and then you can pray to not be addicted and that you honour and thank for the sacred sexlife.

Some have bad sexlife because of history past bad and maybe set up that way.Like a parent figure sold her as whore by taking over her body a type of traffick but she never knew about it and use someone or rape etc.
Sex can be so destructive and to be used sexually feels awful even if you dont feel concious of it perhaps .
Very very bad things happen in lust.
People missuse professions to be sadist drs or teachers etc or do other things.

Having a strong 9 is good work for and learn what to do , what action to take when you are lusting and itching.
What action can you take that is more positive and up building .

Buuut when you have dealt with and over come your sex addiction then having a true sex/love life thats sacred and breeding professionally with your creature is very good for you i think.

I would love a sacred love/sexlife also and will pray i will honour it when it come to me and praise jesus and those help

Its true was not christ seduced and tempted and suffered and endured humbleness
lust can be magnetic and feel so good, energy, chemistry and golly knows


A wife who support you overcome your addiction that can be destructive for you, both and others.
Who be your best friend and perhaps you meet professionals help you and then find sacred sex/love life with respect.

Humble thy soul to dry deserts of a wife and then when you leveled maybe flow in better way.

I have a strong nine but it has been stolen and abused and i wronged not be able protect it better but humble my soul to experience of person and may be better human for it.

If your wife is "horny" then thats wonderful but it better foundation if you overcome your sex addiction first and respect the sex.
Then you can have a holier and deeper and better sex and humbleness in your persona and not arrogance and disrespect that can hurt many including it can hurt you.
You dont think so cause you feel good.
Like drug feel good perhaps doesnt make it good for you.


Those molest children go on lust , those sadist in illegal ways (not hanky spanky) but missuse professions to get horny kicks or rape etc lust or those who dont put christ and love first.

Put lust b4 Christ and love and be true.

I never had good real sex and had destructive things happen and was in a way that was not in control of it then.
One can heal from it.
purify it.

im not saying hanky spanky is bad , with love and playfulness or passion spank buuut sadist that illegal that missuse professions and knowledge to do evil and torture yet cover crime up with ones education and profession what real reasons were.

One can confess and rependt and be 4given and then detoxify , heal and be merrier than ever.

How many betrayal friends for lust or money.

Best wishes you find professionals help you overcome your addiction so you can prioritise things in life and then when "clean" and healed you can start fresh.
deeper better and more true.

and what you put first.

Although, realisticly yes, theres different types people and a lot of smen and sex to channel and theres a lot that comes into it with breeding and prostituion and so forth.

But to chanel it professionally you cant if you addict so you need help perhaps untill you are "the man" "the boss" and not your cock or love wand so to say.
Imagine what woman and people can use you when you have no control over any of the sex and how much hurt you can cause if you have no care for anything except for you feeling good.

There is help.

A good "breeder" or "helping soul" in da act may help chanel semen into right places that help you in life while a other would steal it from you and own you with lust and yu would be but a slave to your cock who would not be such a love wand at all but a slave giving them semen so they feel wonderful.
Theres semen worth a lot and steal it from someone is not uncommon.
But one should get help to chanel semen and the lust or sex drive and animal wildness to tame for its own good so chanel into the good way for its men also.


Blabbering here

I still think its important you get professional help and one can cause so much hurt to others and not care cause "yoooouuuu feel goo" and maybe othes you let have piece of what you stole but one you stole from may be tortured and etc.

Anyway, I have worked with these types things.
Not as pshycologist or therapist buuut with breeding.

As for your main, as in person.
Your human man should be able to rehabilitate himself and even go "cold turkey" .
Worse for a bull. lol
or a stallion who does not want breed or sex someone but someone forses the sex with lust so they steal the semen.
tell you cattle, race horses list goes on.
Nasty things have happened.
better one get help to chanel it.
A better medium to help your timers, men, chanels, offspring, etc
or you may like to see a professional therapist.
be careful though with who you trust dont pen up to anyone.
Make sure he/she is deep in the seas and in time and you test them and feel right with them b4 you invest your time to get professional help.
when you get professional therapist you can thank and praise for help and the gain of freedom and happiness and weight of ypur shoulders if you have shoulders cause if you snake you would not have a shoulder shoulder lol.


Im sorry, i find it difficult expressing myself as a human format sometimes.
Even writing and talking through body sometimes to others can be difficult unless i do it telepathicly or through sign or whisper or something with a deeper human , a treu man.


Anyway, best wishes for you.

Nice try, but I'm not the one with the agenda. I admit you're pretty smooth but Satan does come disguised as an angel of light. Here's the thing, out of all the avatars you could have picked, why did you choose a polygamy symbol for a Christian forum other than to create division. You argue that sex addiction doesn't even exist. I find it unsettling that you started as a senior member. It seems deceitful, whatever the reason. Satan has used sex as a way to lead many astray. What better place could there be than a Christian forum with all kinds of people looking for relationship advice. Maybe it's all my imagination, maybe it's observation. Either way you've got my attention. I'm not angry just leery.

JGPS The word of God says that to be carnally minded is death . And also , that the carnal mind is enmity against God . When you come before God in prayer you should come in a spirit of reverence , not with an angry spirit that seeks self gratification . The word of God say seek first , the Kingdom of God , and all these thing will be added unto you . Nowhere in the bible does it say to come slobbering into Gods presence to satisfy a fleshly need . You are on very dangerous ground my friend .

Not having a plan isn't something to be proud of. An agenda is a list of things to be done and things to agree on. It's usually a good thing to have, though I do rather like the moment by moment leading of the Holy Ghost with no particular plan when an unexpected in person opportunity to witness arises.

Oh yeah, discernment's important. That's why despite my detractors attempts to pull away from my point or draw the discussion into emotionalism I keep coming back to what scripture says. I got to the point with Jordache where she outright said that there where better ways to deal with the issue than that Paul recommended. Her basis for that was no more than her own opinion on the matter.

Then you come in guns blazing with accusations and nary a stitch of God's word or His Logos to back you. And you come in talking as if you where righteous on this matter and worthy to judge the intentions of others. You've come in the very method of satan, and throw accusations worthy only of a devil.


I'm smooth because I'm speaking bluntly from scripture what scripture says about the situation. It doesn't get much smoother than that.

Becasue I'm a Christian polygamist, and am associated with quite a few other Christian polygamists. I've found the topic to be a very important one on quite a few levels I didn't expect it to be when I was first researching. The most important of which is that discussing it lets you see who takes scripture at it word in its context and who is going to add a lot of their own words too it. But I actually discuss polygamy in several other topics, it doesn't really have much to do with this thread. No more than my avatar has anything to do with a faith or works thread or a thread on systematic theology.

That's interesting. You know that thread can't be edited after more than a few minutes. Do you care to point out where I said anything like that? It seems you're making false accusations again. Or just really not understanding what I've said.

Really? This is a big hang-up for you? It's such a petty thing that I can scarcely bring myself to ask how that even matters.


This is very important so I'm going to make it big. Your disposition is dangerous. You're looking to make your opponent out to be evil however you can, no matter how petty the issue is or how little you know about it. This is enterely out of character with Love.

Love can rebuke, it can chastise, it can point out where things are wrong. But it does not look for any petty evil it can find to excuse itself from listening to other Christians.

Why don't you do the sensible thing and ask the administrates how junior and senior membership is calculated? Then you may know why I am a senior member. The title updates itself automatically, it has nothing to do with anything I've directly done.

How could I not call you ascetic with comments like that? You're telling this to me, who recommended sex within marriage. Honestly...

Good. Then pay attention. If you have a legitimate objection to what I said he should pray for then you should start articulating it. If not it never hurts to say 'Ok, I see your point, what you suggest is fine and in line with scripture'.

Oh God! It's a one verse wonder without any context. Please lead Trifecta into a place of more diligent study of Your Word so that he can understand sections of scripture as a whole and no longer henpeck out single verses that appear to his flesh to support his point.

Oh God! Please help him to understand that many pious words and feelings do not equate to a good prayer life. Let him come to a point where he knows that prayer is gratifying to the soul and that it should be.

Oh God! Lead Trifecta to read more of scripture so he can see what You're people prayed for and how they prayed. Let him read Your Prayer, and let him know that you told us to pray that the needs of our flesh are met. Weather its for food, land, victory, or healing, let Trifecta come to a point where he realizes that you care about our needs and you want us to come to you with them.

Please break the spiritual bondage over him that leads him to talk about petitionary prayers as if they where wrong. Let him realize that they are exactly what you want. Exactly how your people prayed. Exactly how you told us to pray.
Oh lord, please show him what he's saying and where he's standing. In his heart he sees the ground of scripture to be dangerous because he doesn't recognize them. Please lead him to study and understand Your ways first. Free him from being a follower of his culture and false piety.



And I do mean all that sincerely. It makes me nearly retch to see someone who claims they work for Christ talk about petitionary prayer as if it was 'slobbering to God for needs'. I can understand it when Atheists talk that way, but there is no excuse for it from one who knows God.

JGPS, I agree aside from selecting pastors there is no specific command to have only one wife. That doesn't mean it's good for everyone to have multiple wives. People try to twist scripture around so they can feel justified while living for themselves in this world. Some even claim there is grounds for wife swapping, twisting a meaning here, bending an interpretation there. Jesus claims that looking at a woman lustfully is already committing adultery. You are very arrogant, you are more sly than wise. As far as being ascetic, here's a couple of people that would fall into that category; John the Baptist and Jesus Christ. So if you have issue with people refraining from exercising their every sexual freedom as man, take it up with them. You argue that the people who disagree with you aren't backing it up with Scripture, then those who do you mock and tell them they used it out of context. Careful wolf your teeth are showing.

Thank you brother for the wisdom you just gave this "real needy brother". I will take this to heart and prayer for myself as well.

How such a sadistic shade of Lucifer could stay on this site for 225 some odd posts is beyond me.
Congratulate yourself for having less class than the Nazi's.
A true reputation you have made to go down in infamy next to your soul for all time.
Unbelievable heartlessness. - A reprobate couldn't have done it any worse.
Again, conrats on the coming out and evidence of your reprobation.

No, its good for people to do as their called. That may even mean celibacy.


People claim many things, randomly citing things people claim is folly.
I have not recommended such a thing. You are lying to yourself again.

And you, coming in trying to bring condemnation with your own views think yourself humble. Read your own posts and look at your own tones.
"Mat 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children. "

At best you could make a case for John the Baptist, though he never forbade anything. My Lord Jesus certainly wasn't into arbitrary self-denial.

Right now your claim as it stands is that my advising him to marry and find ways to no longer sin is the devil. Can you really not see the corruption in your stance?
I never have. Only your evil imagination (and it is indeed evil) has thought such things.

Backing something up with scripture is not picking random cut out quotes and posting them. Scripture is a flowing living reason of God and should not be handled as such. Trifecta used a passage dealing with essential freedom and attempted to use one verse in it to bring condemnation. You have no problem with that? Is it just because he agrees with you that you don't see the horrible things he just posted about praying for needs on the whole? Look at your allies and you might see where you're standing.
You're still as diabolical as ever.

You are presently arguing that marriage is the wrong thing for someone who burns with desire. This is the stance you're holding onto right? If you're going to play the devil at least make your stance against scripture plain and clear so you can stop deceiving yourself.

Do you even understand that the lying accusations as you're levying are of the devil? You understand what the word devil essentially means right?

I'm going to invoke Godwins law here. You came in, called the person you disagree with the devil and a nazi, and didn't add anything to the conversation.

But lets look at evidence for reprobation. I'll post the scripture because no one else here can grab more than a snippet...

"Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. "

Wickedness. Malice and plots. Calling someone a nazi wolf devil because they disagree with you certainly qualifies.

Debate. Not proper 'this is my position and here's where I disagree with you' but quarrelsomeness. Determination to oppose others for no reason beyond you disliking what they have to say. You and Hungry both qualify for that.

Backbiters. One who's talkative against and slanders. Not true rebuke by scripture of course. But coming in and calling an opponent names without actually dealing with what they've said qualifies for this one perfectly. You've become this perfectly in the here and now.

Despiteful. An insulter. Yes, you did this one perfectly. I don't think Hungry has done this, as his stance is actually that I'm trying to mislead. You Rick however are no more than this.

Proud. In addressing the things that have been levied against me I'm saying that their arguments are worth addressing. In coming in just to attack without dealing with what has been said you've shown overt pride.

Inventors of evil things. Contriving evil where there is none. This is where I've been rebuking Hungry for some time, clearly this applies to Rick as well.

Surely you're not reprobate right now, but your allowing yourself to act out some of the signs of it. Deal with your log before approaching someones splinter. Or at least point out where the splinter is before tearing into someone.

What I'd recommend is finding someone that you trust that is further and more mature in the walk to talk about your addiction with. Find someone in real life be it a friend or a pastor from a church. I myself have struggled with lust issues in the past and actually discussing it with someone did wonders. It really was a release.

That's quite the solid suggestion Stephen. In person things can be worked out far more thoroughly, and there is an accountability factor too.

I'm surprised no one has suggested that yet. Nice addition.

I assure you that NOBODY starts out a senior member. One's member status depends on the number of posts they have contributed to the forum and not the quality of the content posted.

Zephaniah 3:17
17*The Lord your God is with you,
****the Mighty Warrior who saves.
He will take great delight in you;
****in his love he will no longer rebuke you,
****but will rejoice over you with singing.”

Lord ,father ..
I thank you ahead of time for what you are about to do.. You are bigger than this problem and the true authority over it .. What you have already done is coming to pass .. It is already finished in your eyes and thank you for making us complete as you open our eyes and bring us fully in our Mess, to the comfort of your throne ..for your word tells us "come exactly as you are, I will make no
Mention of your sin because you see no sin in us... In your eyes we are already pure and rid of sin.. may you fill us with
your oil and fan the flame of Jesus in us... May he burn brightly in the darkness... may we stand in unity with all in agreement , so others can find their way back to you quilckly. In jesus christs name father...in your love and wisdom for us, replace our thoughts with your thoughts ... As you have offered them to each and everyone of us freely..may our brother come to know your forgiveness and love by our open arms and open hearts.. not to condemn but to pardon and forgive as you have pardoned and forgiven all of us... By your mercy we have all been forgiven , by your stripes we are healed , by your grace we are released... In your Son Jesus Christs name I
Pray .. Amen and amen