Suicide

I don't know if you really understand your life at all. See your an eternal spirit. Your life is housed inside your body. The physical body allows you to live within the world. But the moment you die all that happens is your life force goes either to heaven or hell where you will continue to live for all eternity. You've heard this. And fortunate for you that know about it. Cuz the moment you kill yourself you won't cease to exist. Within seconds you'll be in a lake of fire. Why? Because you were told, you know what's on the other side and you did it anyway. That's why. You'd have no excuse. Besides I doubt you'd kill yourself anyway. I know your not the type. The reason is that people who are gonna kill themselves don't talk about it hoping to get attention. Your one of these types that just want attention. So you cry wolf by saying you'll kill yourself hoping that a bunch of people will pander to you. Look at some point you got to take control of your mind, body and spirit. You're letting this stupid crutch of emotional discourse continue to dictate your life. Why don't you just give up all that? And just focus on building a normal fun enjoyable happy successful life for yourself and the people around you? Quit burdening everyone with this whinning and complaining about how you got it bad. You know there's people in Africa your age who barely have enough to eat? You have no concept of that. You know there's people in south America your age who live there lives at the city dump among all the filth, smell, decease and crap. They work all day in the hot sun sifting through garbage hoping to find just enough to eat. Yes they eat the garbage to try and survive. ....Oh right, but you got it bad right? What about the people at the hospital, dieing of cancer or aids. They're bodies are so feeble that they can't even walk. Just wondering how many hours they might have left. Wishing they could have another chance at a healthy body to go out and run and play. To go play sports, to travel, to laugh and go out with their friends. Instead they have to lay there in pain counting down the hours. Yes the hours they have left until they die. Ohh right, but you have it bad I forgot. You have it so bad. Like come on, get a grip. You need to put your problems into proper perspective. There not that bad. And stop being so selfish. Stop thinking about yourself so much and go out there and see what you can do to help someone else just for once. Someone out there could use your help right now. Go find them and do something good for someone and stop whinning about your so insignificant issues. And again get control of yourself. Look the way to do that is you have to start doing some affirmations. You have to start retraining your brain. Cuz your brain is in control of your right now. It's not you. It's this thing you've built up in your mind that keeps going off. It's a pattern that keeps replaying itself. It plays I need to feel bad and feel like ending it etc etc. And your mind plays that and you lose control. You don't know what to do. So you come on here and you let the pattern play out in your posts etc etc.. People reply, you feel a bit better. You stop, then a while later your back to running the same pattern in your mind and your back to posting. Your back to trying to talk to a counceller. So listen, there's one councellor you need to talk to. It's YOU!!! Stop thinking that something out there is gonna heal you or help you. Just help yourself. Becoming your own best friend is a start. The way to do that is extremely simple. Just start saying "I like myself" over and over again each day. That's where it all starts. The reason is that will start to get rid of this stupid pattern in your mind that you've been letting run wild. Let the new pattern replace it. Let this new pattern of liking yoruself start. But you got to just start. So just say "I like myself" as stupid as that might sound. Build that up. Eventually you'll feel good again. You'll look back and you'll be amazed that you ever let all these negative patterns run your life. Stop letting them run your life so that you can get back to a normal decent fun happy enjoyable life. You'll never have that unless you work on taking back control of your mind. And just keep praying about it daily as well. Anyway that's all I can tell you. I was once very depressed and that worked wonders for me. Dear lord please help this person to decide that there ready for a change and to start doing something about it. Amen.

ki, I was reading through this thread, praying and hoping it would turn out well. Praise God, it seems as if it did. Glad you were able to overcome

Just thought I'd paint you a picture, too -
You're part of a family of people you may not even know, yet they care about you like Jesus does. I imagine you could tell from the multitude of posts here and the people who posted in love. Imagine how much more your Father in Heaven loves you? Wonderful thing, ain't it ?

you know very little about my life so you can't really say how bad i have it! yes, i eat every day, yes i have a roof over my head! I really did want to kill myself. I try to see things better, i try to go to God for help. Maybe you should learn about me more before you go judging me, and in that case its not really your place to judge me anyway

Thank you Kyouken.

@Canadian36: Really, you have no right to tell her that... Telling people was the right thing to do. And she was brave enough to do it. I, personally, am proud of her.
You can't blame her for not knowing what life is all about, or how to handle every situation! Most people don't. You can't blame her for the one downfall many of us have. At some point in everyone's lives, they truly want to die... whether it's past, or still to come.
My grandma is 65, and she just recently had an episode where she wanted to die too, just two weeks after I had one of my own. So it's not just the young and unexperianced people who do this.
Please, don't harass her for something she can't help.

Hi Ki!
You have made me so happy to see you here today!
Huge hugs and kudos to you for seeing past the tough times.
I know Im not even close to your age, but if you want to pm me, feel free.
You see, not only did I struggle with this kind of pain and depression at your age, but my daughter battlled this as well, and like you she was afraid to speak to us.
When she finnally spoke to us she was suprised at how much we saw and fought for her, she then realised the fears about telling us were never real.
Her pain and depression is metobolic, as she has alot of medical struggles.
But no worries if you dont pm me ether, I just wanted to let you know the door is always open Ki.
Ill keep praying for you in Jesus.

Huge hugs and God bless
pickles

I think her last post here was over a month ago.

Ki. The pain won't stop when you kill yourself. Satan will have you FOREVER, he is the inventor of torment and if you decide to take your own life, which God has given you, yo will seperate yourself eternally frm God. I don't know what exactly you are going through. I have alot of similar issues with pain and depression but I usually don't respond to people for suicide cause I get a lil inferiorty issues too, but I think I could help you here. I am gonna message you

I think you have a misunderstanding here. I don't believe that if you commit suicide that you will go to hell.

I certainly do not believe it is what God wants for his children. But I really don't think you will go to hell for it.

We are saved by the Grace of God, not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9) and nothing can separate a Christian from the love of God (Romans 8:37-39)

Suicide cannot be an unforgivable Sin, as the bible says that there is only ONE unforgivable Sin. (Matthew 13:31-32) and (Mark 3:22-30)

@Saul: I've been told that if you kill yourself, God doesn't send you to hell...you do. When someone kills themselves, it's normally because they're depressed, and feel that they aren't good enough. When someone feels that way, it's impossible for them to feel good enough for God. When they feel guilty, and worthless on earth, it doesn't change in heaven. It worsens.
Through the way they feel, they make it impossible to live around someone as magnificent as God himself, that they throw themselves from his presence.
They send themselves to hell.
Also, God commanded that we not murder, or shed the blood of an innocent soul. When people kill themselves, they break that commandment.
They may think that they're not innocent anymore, but it's Gods place to judge that. Not ours.
God's place to judge, because he is the only righteous judge. It's our place to forgive and to repent.
Honestly, I learned this through a very very painful experience.
Funny how I seem to learn most of my lessons the hard way

Well I can't argue that your condition before you go can certainly determine where you end up. My point was more that it is not a black and white "kill yourself and you go to hell" scenario. But I know there are religious people that decide to end it for things besides depression. Such as pain, disability, and old age. There is a really good documentary about the death with dignity act, for end of life decisions.

And murder, is defined as the killing of another person. But if you want to get technical, the Hebrew definition is more accurately stated as "not kill anything".

But you make my point for me, it is not our place to judge, it is Gods. I just don't think suicide is a straight ticket to hell. It may be a Sin, but it is forgivable.


God Bless

It's also Gods place to decide when you die. When you take that for yourself, it's a lot like denying your dad the right to walk you down the isle. (for girls, of course). I can only assume it would make God sad for you to take his job into your own hands.
My mom gets mad at my brother for taking her responsibilities into his own hands. I can only imagine how God would feel.

I never said it was the right thing to do.

I didn't mean to make it sound like you did...I'm sorry.

I think it is really sad when people commit suicide, my cousin did. Over something stupid, his girlfriend left him.

I have thought about, but not out of depression. But Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 right...

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Glad for this.

Hello Ki, I'm glad to see you are feeling better. I pray that you seek outside help as in someone to talk to in person, because depression is something you can't take for granted or underestimate. Something you can do when your feeling down is to Do Something For Someone else. It gets your mind off of your sadness and feeling down. but you have to get help. I pray the next thread from you will be I AM VICTORIOUS !

Thanks flower, i am trying to get the courage to talk to someone in person. i don't want to have these thoughts anymore. i hope i am victorious someday..

Amen Ki, Praise the Lord! You are victorious. By his stripes your healed. You can do all things through Christ who strengethens you.

Isa:53:5: But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed.

Ph'p:4:13: I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.