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so basically Jesus was in disagreement with His Father?
please see my post 143
what Jesus commanded is the fullfillment of what we commonly refer to as the 10 commandments
very seriously, God has not changed and Jesus said the law is not going to pass away until everything passes away
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5
the fullfillment of the law was required by God and that fullfillment meant completeness...ie. perfect obedience
and yet Jesus says that VERY SAME LAW is fulfilled by US through the love of God in our hearts (cause God knows we basically do not have this love without the Holy Spirit)
what Jesus commanded is simply fulfilled by God's love...again see my post 143...I'm not trying to teach here; I am trying to logically follow the scripture. if it does not make sense, then we are missing something
all of this debating about righteousness, the law, the commandments; it is ALL smoke and mirrors
Jesus is not saying something difficult what He says AGREES with OT law (and obviously I am not discussing all the ordinances so please don't go there.) I am pointing to what we call the 10 commandments and that was what Jesus was pointing to when He spoke of love
obedience is not what some like to call 'works'
obedience is a part of the gospel. there would be no gospel if Jesus had not been obedient and if we think that as believers we do not need to follow that same obedience, then stop talking about God's will for your life because you are rejecting it
see Moses with the commandments written by the finger of God, standing on a smoking mountain with his face changed and shining from being in the presence of God and then look at Jesus pointing BACK to this very scene and saying you CAN'T fullfill these laws. I have fulfilled them FOR you
and the key to accepting this righteousness and living in it, is acknowledging the commandments of Christ as the fulfillment of the stone carved commandments through the Holy Spirit indwelling us and as we grow in our relationship, multiplying the love of God in us so that the commandments are not a burden but the love LIVED OUT they were always meant to be
yet people keep on discussing broken commandments and if you break one you have broken all
NOBODY told you to keep the commandments as a 'picture' of holiiness as the Israelites had to live it out and even then, scripture tells us the blood of those animals sacrificed could never pardon sin
why do you keep arguing over the gnats when the camel is chewing its cud behind you?
it is SO OBVIOUS yet for some reason, it seems not many here are understanding it
please see my post 143
what Jesus commanded is the fullfillment of what we commonly refer to as the 10 commandments
very seriously, God has not changed and Jesus said the law is not going to pass away until everything passes away
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5
the fullfillment of the law was required by God and that fullfillment meant completeness...ie. perfect obedience
and yet Jesus says that VERY SAME LAW is fulfilled by US through the love of God in our hearts (cause God knows we basically do not have this love without the Holy Spirit)
what Jesus commanded is simply fulfilled by God's love...again see my post 143...I'm not trying to teach here; I am trying to logically follow the scripture. if it does not make sense, then we are missing something
all of this debating about righteousness, the law, the commandments; it is ALL smoke and mirrors
Jesus is not saying something difficult what He says AGREES with OT law (and obviously I am not discussing all the ordinances so please don't go there.) I am pointing to what we call the 10 commandments and that was what Jesus was pointing to when He spoke of love
obedience is not what some like to call 'works'
obedience is a part of the gospel. there would be no gospel if Jesus had not been obedient and if we think that as believers we do not need to follow that same obedience, then stop talking about God's will for your life because you are rejecting it
see Moses with the commandments written by the finger of God, standing on a smoking mountain with his face changed and shining from being in the presence of God and then look at Jesus pointing BACK to this very scene and saying you CAN'T fullfill these laws. I have fulfilled them FOR you
and the key to accepting this righteousness and living in it, is acknowledging the commandments of Christ as the fulfillment of the stone carved commandments through the Holy Spirit indwelling us and as we grow in our relationship, multiplying the love of God in us so that the commandments are not a burden but the love LIVED OUT they were always meant to be
yet people keep on discussing broken commandments and if you break one you have broken all
NOBODY told you to keep the commandments as a 'picture' of holiiness as the Israelites had to live it out and even then, scripture tells us the blood of those animals sacrificed could never pardon sin
why do you keep arguing over the gnats when the camel is chewing its cud behind you?
it is SO OBVIOUS yet for some reason, it seems not many here are understanding it