Not so, read this: “After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands…..Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?" And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” Rev 7:9 thru 14
All Christians will go through the tribulation. As you can see the number of them is so great that no one can number them. (billions) The problem you have is that you believe in the seven year tribulation that has been taught for decades. That is as FALSE as FALSE can be.
A MISTAKEN IDENTIFICATION
Brother Rosenthal identifies, "they which came out of great tribulation" (Rev. 7:14) as the church. The "church" is in heaven BEFORE the first seal is opened. These are in fact the "tribulation saints":
"Fourth, in Revelation 6 John immediately recognizes the martyrs as those who "were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held" (v. 9). In Revelation 7 it is clear that John does not recognize who this great multitude is. To the question directly proposed to John, "Who are these?" (v. 13), he gives this response: "Sir, thou knowest" (v. 14), a clear admission that he did not recognize them.
If this great multitudewhich suddenly appears in heaven, which no man can number, and which has universal representationare not martyrs, who are they"
This great multitude, innumerable, universal, and suddenly appearing in heaven with white robes (purified) and palm branches (triumphant), is the raptured church" (pp. 184-185).
HERESY! Brother Rosenthal teaches that the multitude seen in Rev. 7:9-14 is "the raptured church"! The reader should kindly take note that these "which came out of great tribulation" are seen AFTER the sixth seal (Rev. 6:17) and BEFORE the seventh seal (Rev. 8:1)! Brother Rosenthal uses this as an argument in his book for the PRE WRATH RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH. However we have already seen "the church" in heaven BEFORE the first seal is opened. Let us go on now and establish that these over a hundred million in heaven are in fact the church.
Can we find any other references to this multitude "which came out of great tribulation" (Rev. 7:9-14) so that we can identify them? Thank God, we can!
144,000
First of all we notice that the 144,000 male, virgin (Rev. 14:4), Jewish servants of God (Rev. 7:1-8) were also singing "a new song before the throne" in heaven (Rev. 14:3). They were singing a new song which no other man could learn! They were seen in heaven before the seven vials containing the seven last plagues were poured out upon the earth (Rev. 15-16). Therefore the MULTITUDE singing "a new song" BEFORE the opening of the FIRST SEAL cannot be the same as the 144,000 singing "a new song" (which only the 144,000 could learn) in heaven AFTER the opening of the SIXTH SEAL!
TRIBULATION SAINTS
Secondly, we again see the tribulation saints, and there is no doubt that they are they which went through part of the great tribulation. Read the following account:
Rev. 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
These "that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name" are the same as "they which came out of great tribulation" (Rev. 7:14). They both are said to have come out AFTER the opening of the SIXTH SEAL! They CANNOT be the church, which was raptured BEFORE THE FIRST SEAL!
Remember that Satan delayed Daniel from receiving his message for 21 days. If Satan can delay Gabriel for 21 days, then delaying a person from seeing the truth is no issue and he can delay them their whole life through.
You don’t know what sin is my friend.
sin is something already taken care of at the cross you need to learn about Jesus and how he took care of that issue and quit trying to pay for it yourself by going thru great tribulation all you have to do is actually read up on the Bible
Change of view?
No one thinks we “have” to go through the tribulation to be cleansed.
Yes, your pride and others like you.
you dont have to go thru the tribulation if your a saved christian its those that think they will accomplish something by going thru it that are full of pride
Try studying the bible instead.
“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.” Dan 9:26
“Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.” Dan 9:27
This is used by many to teach about the false seven year tribulation. If you read and understand what you read then you can see that the subject here is the Messiah. Since Jesus is the Messiah we know that Daniel is talking about him.
Jesus was cut off during the seventieth week, half way. He preached for just over three years before dying on the cross. He was cut off by the “people of the prince who is to come,” (Satan) We know it is Satan because Jesus said: “You are of your father the devil.” John 8:44 Hence you have the people of Satan put Jesus on the cross, not Satan himself.
its talking about antichrist not messiah thats the horrible flaw in post trib that will have people calling the antichrist God study up see the terrible flaw setting people up to wotship the antichrist your teaching in that.
http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Endtimes927.html Why Daniel 9:27 is Essential to Understanding Prophecy
All this discussion may sound "nitpicking" to the extreme, but it renders Daniel 9:27 ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to END-times prophecy.
Given the truth of what we have said so far, the next conclusion that MUST be drawn is this-
The "Prince that shall come" is INDEED the antichrist and can be NO OTHER personage
The rest of the week will be finished after the tribulation. “And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.” Rev 13:5
For your information, we are going through the tribulation even now as I speak. The tribulation started back when Jesus left. The Antichrist was here then as well and the apostle John talked about it, so it is NOT going to show up in the future. The Man of Sin is Satan, not to be confused with the Antichrist which is a spirit that teaches false things.
The billions of people who have come through the great tribulation are the believers in Christ and they, like you are now, were faced with the same Antichrist and Man of Sin we are faced with today. You’re also mixing the wrath of God with the tribulation. So, which side did you say you were on?