Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Gets Death

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
G

Galahad

Guest
#61
Can a murderer find Christ if he is sent to prison instead of given death? Even if given death, can a murderer still find Christ before his sentencing? God would know if it's true and sincere, and according to Scripture no sin is greater than the other. This is a serious question, as I posted a question earlier in the week about if the Boston bomber repented and became a Christian.
If such a person became a Christian then he/she will be saved from spiritual death, but he/she will not be excused by the state. Nor should they be.
 
V

Viligant_Warrior

Guest
#62
The law allowed the people to stone the adulterous woman. Yet Jesus stood in the way of that. I can't see how or why He would change his mind on this bomber.
Are you unaware that Jesus Himself, when He returns, will bear the sword?

You lost a lot of credibility with that asinine statement.

Democrats enjoy their smoke and mirrors. They champion themselves as the voice of the oppressed and disenfranchised, all the while keeping people down by creating animosity between the masses regarding race, sexuality, income and religion, to name a few. And they do this perched high in their homogeneous ivory towers far away from any low income neighborhood filled with various ethnicities.
Worse, they pontificate about "the common man" and lecture the GOP as the "party of and for the rich" while the leadership of their own party -- i.e., the Clintons, George Soros, Warren Buffet. et al -- are the elite of the elite among the "one-percent" they pretend to denounce. They have no credibility whatsoever, yet their personal and ideological sycophants like Ricky don't even realize how badly they've been hoodwinked.

 
Last edited:
Dec 1, 2014
9,701
251
0
#63
When I think death penalty I think of lost souls. While yes, it is effective, it's where that lost soul is going is what makes the death penalty sad. I don't think many born again Christians are being sentencing to this. Just my view on it.
Nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Jesus Christ -- not even the future. God knows whether or not someone would have opened their heart to Christ had they lived long enough. If someone is executed today without having faith in Jesus, yet they would have put their faith in Jesus had they lived just one more day, God knows this, and God is Just, so the eternal fate of that person is not in question.
 
Dec 1, 2014
9,701
251
0
#64
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the democrats either. They are just as culpable, importing the poor because they think the whole world should be supported by our pockets. Personally, I think supporting either party is completely asinine.

So, who you voting for this year... the party that takes your money and gives it to the rich, or the party that takes your money and gives it to the lazy? You're being asinine either way.
Last I saw, the rich don't take my money. It is a rich man who employs my services and pays me for those services. In turn, I help the community with my services and I pay taxes, thus making me a positive, contributing member of society.

The poor on the other hand don't provide jobs and pay little to no taxes. Now for the poor who are unable to work and sustain themselves for whatever legitimate reason, I say it should be our Christian joy and privilege, as well as our obligation through love and mercy, to help them best we can.

However, all bets are off for the lazy, gluttonous parasites with their caustic, entitlement attitudes who refuse to earn their keep. Isn't it funny how the latter have exploded in number the past six years under the false messiah's administration.

For the record, I make less than $50,000 a year living in one of the most expensive areas in the country, so I'm not some callous, cigar smoking, golf playing, GOP, aristocratic blowhard sleeping on a different yacht every day. I'm a blue collar guy earning my keep.
 

RickyZ

Senior Member
Sep 20, 2012
9,635
787
113
#65
I am for the death penalty. But I don't claim to be sinless. I know I am a sinner. I am not working against Jesus as were those men who just happened to find the woman committing (in the very act) adultery. How did they find her? Entrapment.
They wanted to test Jesus. They did not care one bit for the woman. And so they are rebuked: Cast the first stone.

"Let him cast the first stone" is a challenge that exposed a proud and arrogant spirit of the religious leaders. It confronted hypocrisy. It is not a command that somehow negates a principle.

If I am for the death penalty but I hate my neighbor, then I can see "Let him cast the first stone" being relevant in that case. It's applicable to me. If I somehow in someway compare myself to that murderer and look up toward our Almighty and Holy God say unto Him: I am thankful and glad that I am not as this man here, this murderer, then again the charge cast the first stone is applicable to me. And I should very well heed it and get on my knees and repent and confess that I am a sinner.
Well now that is a good argument and one I will take under consideration.

Are you unaware that Jesus Himself, when He returns, will bear the sword?

Worse, they pontificate about "the common man" and lecture the GOP as the "party of and for the rich" while the leadership of their own party -- i.e., the Clintons, George Soros, Warren Buffet. et al -- are the elite of the elite among the "one-percent" they pretend to denounce. They have no credibility whatsoever, yet their personal and ideological sycophants like Ricky don't even realize how badly they've been hoodwinked.
Jesus will bear the sword indeed and we may bear one with him. But again that goes back to are we doing this on our own (bad) or under the leadership of God (good)?

And again, I'm not a democrat nor a supporter of them. I vote third party and am still writing in Ross Perot for Pres.! ;)

Last I saw, the rich don't take my money. It is a rich man who employs my services and pays me for those services. In turn, I help the community with my services and I pay taxes, thus making me a positive, contributing member of society.

The poor on the other hand don't provide jobs and pay little to no taxes. Now for the poor who are unable to work and sustain themselves for whatever legitimate reason, I say it should be our Christian joy and privilege, as well as our obligation through love and mercy, to help them best we can.

However, all bets are off for the lazy, gluttonous parasites with their caustic, entitlement attitudes who refuse to earn their keep. Isn't it funny how the latter have exploded in number the past six years under the false messiah's administration.

For the record, I make less than $50,000 a year living in one of the most expensive areas in the country, so I'm not some callous, cigar smoking, golf playing, GOP, aristocratic blowhard sleeping on a different yacht every day. I'm a blue collar guy earning my keep.
Why do you think you only make $50k a year? Worker productivity in the last 30 years has skyrocketed, yet the average worker hasn't seen an effective raise in all that time. Where has that money gone? To a CEO's pocket. Workers have lost benefits like health care and retirement as well over these last 30 years. Where has that money gone? To a CEO's pocket. Executive pay hasn't stagnated, it's skyrocketed along with worker productivity. US corporations are sitting on billions of $$$ overseas. They have the money to pay a living wage and benefits. But the greed of the 1% hoards it all while people like you slip further and further into poverty. Who do the Republicans support? CEO's and large corporations. So don't think the Republicans haven't taken money from you. The fact that you and millions like you work their butts off and only make $50k attests to the fact that they have. Too, I never saw a rich man hire anybody to build a product no one could afford to buy. Republicans like to chant that rich people create jobs, but that's an outright lie. Rich people don't create jobs, consumers do. But if the average Joe doesn't make enough money he's not going to consume. No consumption no demand. No demand no jobs.

Don't buy into the Republican lies. You should detest them as much as you do the Dems.
 
Last edited:
V

Viligant_Warrior

Guest
#66
Jesus will bear the sword indeed and we may bear one with him. But again that goes back to are we doing this on our own (bad) or under the leadership of God (good)?
As our laws are solidly based in Roman law, which had its roots in Mosaic Law, we are doing God's will. You can argue against that all you want, but any claim you make that we are not so empowered by God will not hold up. The Mosaic Law as applies to criminal and civil behaviors was not just a law for the Jews.

And again, I'm not a democrat nor a supporter of them. I vote third party and am still writing in Ross Perot for Pres.! ;)
So you are partially responsible for the abomination that is Barack Obama. I wouldn't go around bragging about that if I were you.
 

RickyZ

Senior Member
Sep 20, 2012
9,635
787
113
#67
You know, the only thing more abominable than Barak Obama is the Republican mantra of screw the merits of an idea, if it's from BO we're against it. Stonewalling for stonewalling's sake is nothing to be proud of. Neither is supporting policies that are against your own best interests (I'm assuming you're a working stiff and not a corporate shill). I wouldn't brag about that either. The fact that you support Ben Carson just send shivers down my spine. You need to wise up to the fact that BOTH these parties are screwing you!
 
V

Viligant_Warrior

Guest
#68
You know, the only thing more abominable than Barak Obama is the Republican mantra of screw the merits of an idea, if it's from BO we're against it.
You obviously have made a decision about my thought processes, so I'm certain there's no point in trying to reason with you. So I won't.

Stonewalling for stonewalling's sake is nothing to be proud of.
You're truly clueless if you think that is why Republicans have stood against legislation that are essentially ultra-leftist and the real policies "against [my] best interests." You think a bunch of elitist one-percenters like the Clinton's, Soros, Buffet, et al give a rat's furry posterior about your "best interests"? Their constant lobbying and advancement of socialist ideas, big government, level income potential, welfare for everyone, immigration requirements for no one should convince you they don't care about you but only about the power those policies will put in their limited control.

The fact that you support Ben Carson just send shivers down my spine.
Proving my previous statement as to your cluelessness. You vote third-party? Obviously your agenda is leftist, so pardon me if I don't believe you.

You don't even know what Ben Carson proposes, which in reality is power centered in the individual, not Washington, and keeping the money you earn rather than having to share it with someone who doesn't want to work for a living. You're the one who needs to wise up from the sheer ignorance of being afraid of Carson while defending the idiocy of Barack Obama and claiming to support libertarian thought while obviously supporting those who would destroy that thought and centralize all government's power in the hands of a very select few -- the elitist, leftist, one percent.

The support you give those idiots is destroying your country, your ability to worship and practice your faith, and your very family structure, promising you everything and giving you nothing but the backside of their hand while you stand there wide-eyed like Puss 'N Boots saying, "Thank you, sirs, may I have another?"
 
Last edited:

RickyZ

Senior Member
Sep 20, 2012
9,635
787
113
#69
You are right, there is no point in continuing to bash each other, especially since your comprehension is obviously colored by your stand. Really? I called Obama abominable and you still take from that that I support him? I rile against the one percenters and you still think I support them? I call both parties equally horrible and you still think I support the likes of Clinton? These are the kinds of things that confirm my belief that you're not taking in the big picture. You hold your ground even when you've been shown it is faulty. Which is probably the most dangerous thing of all. Talk about not taking a clue... do us all a favor. Drop your pretenses, get informed or don't vote.
 
V

Viligant_Warrior

Guest
#70
Really? I called Obama abominable ...
Hah! Calling the Republicans more abominable in the same sentence! Yeah, you really gave him hell there, didn't you?

I rile against the one percenters and you still think I support them? I call both parties equally horrible and you still think I support the likes of Clinton?
Your arguments against the GOP and corporations, for one thing. True Libertarians are very much in favor of free enterprise, supply-side economics, and everyone having the right to earn whatever the market will pay, and will bear. You have railed against all these cornerstones of a free-market, free-enterprise economy. The only alternative is the socialist mentality. So where does that leave you? The rest of your post is too naive and vitriolic to bother with replying.
 

Desdichado

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2014
8,768
838
113
#71
Hah! Calling the Republicans more abominable in the same sentence! Yeah, you really gave him hell there, didn't you?

Your arguments against the GOP and corporations, for one thing. True Libertarians are very much in favor of free enterprise, supply-side economics, and everyone having the right to earn whatever the market will pay, and will bear. You have railed against all these cornerstones of a free-market, free-enterprise economy. The only alternative is the socialist mentality. So where does that leave you? The rest of your post is too naive and vitriolic to bother with replying.
"Libertarian" has become a modern byword for "I'm not a Republican, Democrat. I'm really just cool and like people. Love me."

The acid test is asking what comes to mind when you say the word "Austrian."
 
Dec 1, 2014
9,701
251
0
#72
"Libertarian" has become a modern byword for "I'm not a Republican, Democrat. I'm really just cool and like people. Love me."

The acid test is asking what comes to mind when you say the word "Austrian."
I don't know what you mean. Please elaborate. :)
 

Desdichado

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2014
8,768
838
113
#73
I don't know what you mean. Please elaborate. :)
I'd be happy to, my friend.

It is a school of economic thought that was formalized largely in response to the collectivism that became chic among European socialists and American Progressives.

Putting it as succinctly as possible, they viewed individual thought and action as the fundamental component of every economic (and often societal) calculation. Their academic flair attracted many adherents from across the world, especially in the midcentury United States. We call it "Austrian" because the thought was initially formalized by Austrian economists.
 

Desdichado

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2014
8,768
838
113
#74
But yeah, you can always tell who a stone cold libertarian is by how they respond to the word "Austrian."