Is jesus a god ?
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You got to regfer some other translations as well
New International Version
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
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Literally this is "We-have-known but that the Son of-the God is-come, and he-has-given to-us mental-perception in-order-that we-are-knowing the true(one); and we-are in the true(one), in the Son of-him to-Jesus Christ. This(one) is the true God and life everlasting."- Kingdom Interlinear Translation, WTB&TS, 1986 edition.
Dont you believe the Scripture when it says:
Jn 17:1 . These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Jn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Don't u believe what Jesus Christ said???
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New International Version
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
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The Greek here reads:
"oidamen de hoti ho huios tou theou hekei kai dedwken heuin dianoian hiva ginwskomen ton alethinon: kai esmen en tw alethinos en tw huiw autou Iesou Christw. Houtos estin ho alethinos theos kai zwe aiwnios."
Literally this is "We-have-known but that the Son of-the God is-come, and he-has-given to-us mental-perception in-order-that we-are-knowing the true(one); and we-are in the true(one), in the Son of-him to-Jesus Christ. This(one) is the true God and life everlasting."- Kingdom Interlinear Translation, WTB&TS, 1986 edition.
Dont you believe the Scripture when it says:
Jn 17:1 . These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Jn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Don't u believe what Jesus Christ said???
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So are u trying to say, when jesus Christ was crucified on the cross, it was Father, son and the holy spirit who were crucified. So for 3 days, the world was without God is it?
How can Jesus Christ who is dead can raise himself my friend. We all know the meaning of death
Ec 8:8 [There is] no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither [hath he] power in the day of death:
Ec 9:5.. but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Dont tell me Jesus Christ was alive, though he was dead. the scripture says that Jesus gave up his spirit.
Mk 15:37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
How can Jesus Christ who is dead can raise himself my friend. We all know the meaning of death
Ec 8:8 [There is] no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither [hath he] power in the day of death:
Ec 9:5.. but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Dont tell me Jesus Christ was alive, though he was dead. the scripture says that Jesus gave up his spirit.
Mk 15:37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
Of the seventy times in which the demonstrative pronoun ουτος has a personal referent in the Gospel of John and his Epistles, the Father is never the referent! This fact, along with proximity, significantly increases the likelihood that Jesus Christ is the antecedent in the case of 1 John 5.20, as thus…
οιδαμεν δε οτι ο υιος του θεου ηκει καιδεδωκεν ημιν διανοιαν ινα γινωσκομεν τον αληθινον και εσμεν εν τω αληθινω εν τωυιω αυτου ιησου χριστω ουτος εστιν οαληθινος θεος και ζωη αιωνιος
oidamen de hoti hohuios tou theou hēkei kai dedōken hēmin dianoian hina ginōskōmen ton alēthinonkai esmen en tō huiō autou Iēsou Christō houtos estin ho alēthinostheos kai zōē aiōnios
And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given to us an understanding that we may know the true One, and we are in the true One, in His Son Jesus Christ.This is thetrue God and the life eternal. (1 John 5.20)
Regarding your centerpiece, John 17.3, if you were even remotely familiar with Greek, then you would already be cognizant that there are absolutely no grammatical reasons at all for denying that αληθινον θεον refers to Jesus Christ.
This can be deduced from a study of the article with multiple substantives connected via kai.
αυτη δε εστιν η αιωνιος ζωη ιναγινωσκωσιν σε τον μονον αληθινον θεονκαι ον απεστειλας ιησουν χριστον
hautē de estin hē aiōnios zōē hina ginōskōsin se ton monon alēthinon theon kai hon apesteilasIēsoun christon
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, theonly true God, and JesusChrist, whom You have sent. (John17.3)
Thus…it is only out of your sheer ignorance of NT Greek thatyou have chosen to follow a cult which denies Jesus’ deity.
Most assuredly you cannot even begin to exegetically prove your lame position….nor do you even attempt to.
You have nothing.
In Quran no where it is written that Jesus were God or son of God.Infact Quran has told the truth about christ and the changes in the book brought about by human beings in bible.
in fact in Qur'an God says that he is only one,he does not have any son ,he is above such things.
Christians changed the teachings of Christ.In fact
,God is only one and he has all the powers.He is the creator.and He sent prophets in the world who were human beings.
Islam asks us to love people and respect them.Islam asks us to forgive and b kind even to animals.Islam asks us to behave well with our neighbors.
Islam asks us to love the young ones and respect our elders.
When people discuss Islam and say negative things they forget those Muslims who have suffered and still suffering .They forget how people belonging to other nations and religions have victimized the Muslims.
in fact in Qur'an God says that he is only one,he does not have any son ,he is above such things.
Christians changed the teachings of Christ.In fact
,God is only one and he has all the powers.He is the creator.and He sent prophets in the world who were human beings.
Islam asks us to love people and respect them.Islam asks us to forgive and b kind even to animals.Islam asks us to behave well with our neighbors.
Islam asks us to love the young ones and respect our elders.
When people discuss Islam and say negative things they forget those Muslims who have suffered and still suffering .They forget how people belonging to other nations and religions have victimized the Muslims.
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Would you mind givingme the verse from the bible that it is "Christ's flesh that died" or is it as i believe Christ himself.
Ro 5:6 . For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ (not Christ's flesh) died for the ungodly.
Ro 5:8 ... while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.(not his flesh)
Ro 14:9 For to this end Christ both died( not the flesh), and rose(not body but christ), and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
1C 15:3... how that Christ (no the flesh)died for our sins according to the scriptures;
Where do u get all these ideas from? Jesus came to give his life ranson for many, not his flesh
Mk 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
He gave his life (in greek "psuche" which is the sou)l to save us from our sins
Ro 5:6 . For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ (not Christ's flesh) died for the ungodly.
Ro 5:8 ... while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.(not his flesh)
Ro 14:9 For to this end Christ both died( not the flesh), and rose(not body but christ), and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
1C 15:3... how that Christ (no the flesh)died for our sins according to the scriptures;
Where do u get all these ideas from? Jesus came to give his life ranson for many, not his flesh
Mk 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
He gave his life (in greek "psuche" which is the sou)l to save us from our sins
I already provided three separate ayat from the Koran confirming that Jesus is both the Son and God.
You followers of islam simply don't study the Arabic of your book of faith....you merely are programmed islamic robots...
The authors of the Koran repeatedly state that they merely copied the previous Biblical scriptures and repackaged them for islamic consumption.
The Koran has only praise for its source material.
Nope.
That is what islam has told you...and you fell for the big islamic lie.
No.
Islam did.
I already provided several.
Why don't you address them instead of ignoring them?
The Spirit answers prayer.
Perhaps you need to read the Gospel accounts of Jesus' baptism in the Greek...as each member of the Trinity has its own article, confirming that each is separate and yet has the very same singular name.
Give up your islamic unitarian worldview.
Greek 'ek'...literally out from....and?
Theos....no mention of the Father.
Again, Theos....no mention of the Father.
No mention of the Father.
The Trinity.
Study up...
Why don't you address them instead of ignoring them?
The Spirit answers prayer.
Perhaps you need to read the Gospel accounts of Jesus' baptism in the Greek...as each member of the Trinity has its own article, confirming that each is separate and yet has the very same singular name.
Give up your islamic unitarian worldview.
Greek 'ek'...literally out from....and?
Theos....no mention of the Father.
Again, Theos....no mention of the Father.
No mention of the Father.
The Trinity.
Study up...
So you're reasoning that because some places in the Bible state that there is 'ONE'...and ONLY 'ONE', TRUE God, ....whom even Jesus himself called "Father",...that somehow the Bible supports for a "Trinity" dogma? What makes most modern-day "Christians" disregard the fact that God YHWH, or Jehovah (in modern English) wants to be destinguished from all others and stake claim to his rightful position as Sovereign God and Creator of all things. He deserves and demands acknowledgement as Father of the firstborn of all creation, Christ Jesus, and the creator of all other things thru his loyal and begotten Son J.C. All creation, including Christ, ultimately answer to God, the Heavenly Father for our personal choices and the behavior we exhibit in the way we live our lives.
When 'Christians' waste time arguing matters that have already been explained by God, himself and supported by Christ when we was taught on earth, they are kept from understanding or seeing the most important thing of all. That is, learning how to use God's guide, the Bible, to learn what HIS expectations and commands are and how to imitate HIS son, the living example.
Why? Because, The Father has a plan and we might want to be a part of it. Anyone who disregards the importance of studying God's teachings for themselves, and instead, favor charismatic, intellectual human interpretations of how they think God's teachings apply... They will be burdened with worthless religious traditions, and they will not understand how God instructed us to survive the end of the current system of things. How to be of the "meek" who will inherit the earth, as spoken of in Psalms 37:11-12. That's what we should be focused on....BEING the sort of individuals the Bible instructs us to be. NOT ignoring Gods truths and buying into religious confusion about who's who...does 3=1? We have really important things to be learning about God's plan and supporting it by adjusting our personalities to fit in with his Kingdom. Currently, we are under the authority of man lead governments/kingdoms. But that is coming to an end and all we need to do is get Bible educated and develop a personal intimate with God and his Son based on Bible Truth, rather, than religious lies that seem unreasonable to the logical mind and God trained heart.
When 'Christians' waste time arguing matters that have already been explained by God, himself and supported by Christ when we was taught on earth, they are kept from understanding or seeing the most important thing of all. That is, learning how to use God's guide, the Bible, to learn what HIS expectations and commands are and how to imitate HIS son, the living example.
Why? Because, The Father has a plan and we might want to be a part of it. Anyone who disregards the importance of studying God's teachings for themselves, and instead, favor charismatic, intellectual human interpretations of how they think God's teachings apply... They will be burdened with worthless religious traditions, and they will not understand how God instructed us to survive the end of the current system of things. How to be of the "meek" who will inherit the earth, as spoken of in Psalms 37:11-12. That's what we should be focused on....BEING the sort of individuals the Bible instructs us to be. NOT ignoring Gods truths and buying into religious confusion about who's who...does 3=1? We have really important things to be learning about God's plan and supporting it by adjusting our personalities to fit in with his Kingdom. Currently, we are under the authority of man lead governments/kingdoms. But that is coming to an end and all we need to do is get Bible educated and develop a personal intimate with God and his Son based on Bible Truth, rather, than religious lies that seem unreasonable to the logical mind and God trained heart.
οιδαμεν δε οτι ο υιος του θεου ηκει καιδεδωκεν ημιν διανοιαν ινα γινωσκομεν τον αληθινον και εσμεν εν τω αληθινω εν τωυιω αυτου ιησου χριστω ουτος εστιν ο αληθινος θεος και ζωη αιωνιος
oidamen de hoti hohuios tou theou hēkei kai dedōken hēmin dianoian hina ginōskōmen ton alēthinonkai esmen en tō huiō autou Iēsou Christō houtos estin ho alēthinostheos kai zōē aiōnios
And we know that the Son of God has come, and He hasgiven to us an understanding that we may know the true One, and we are in the true One, in His Son Jesus Christ.This is the true God and the life eternal. (1 John 5.20)
oidamen de hoti hohuios tou theou hēkei kai dedōken hēmin dianoian hina ginōskōmen ton alēthinonkai esmen en tō huiō autou Iēsou Christō houtos estin ho alēthinostheos kai zōē aiōnios
And we know that the Son of God has come, and He hasgiven to us an understanding that we may know the true One, and we are in the true One, in His Son Jesus Christ.This is the true God and the life eternal. (1 John 5.20)
