READ THE WHOLE THING!! DONT SAY ITS LONG AND IGNORE IT!! please..
The first, is this:
Leviticus 18:22
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"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
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This does not say that a woman can not sleep with a woman as they would with a man.
In other words, this is a rule for men, not women." - your words
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Romans chapter 1 contains the answer for it.Don't say you don't have time to read and,then mislead others..
Romans 1:26,27 that many here have already quoted contains the answer..
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In other words, this is a rule for men, not women." - no you have been corrected on that.
Argument 1:
It's implied that same sex relations are wrong.
Counterargument 1:
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The very next line states "Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto". This addresses a rule specifically for women in a separate section of the same line. It comes off as strange that it would be so specific here, yet not specific in the rule made immediately before it. If it was a rule against women doing it with women, then it would likely say something along the lines of "You are not to sleep with a man as with a woman; Neither shall any woman sleep with a woman as with a man: it is detestable". However, it did not do so, which comes off as strange considering the formatting of the rule that comes immediately after it."
answer is in the following lines:
Leviticus 18:24,25 KJV
"Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants."
Counterargument 2:
If that were the case, then "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." the bolded part here would be separate. Even if they are not separate, then no matter how you twist this, the closest thing you are going to get to a rule about lesbians would be "You may not sleep with a man as you would with a woman, neither shall any woman sleep with a man as they would with a woman."
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That's craziness..Its very simple to understand that it was talking about men lying with men..Romans 1:26,27 is still in Holy Scripture.It gives account of both...lesbianism is not excluded..
Argument 3:
If it is not okay for two men to have a sexual relationship, then why would it be okay for two women to have a sexual relationship?! Just because the bible does not explicitly say it is unacceptable for two women to have a sexual relationship does not mean that it is okay!
Counterargument 3:
See Counterargument 1:. We can't assume that it is a sin if it does not explicitly say so. There is actually nothing here suggesting it is wrong to have a lesbian relationship, so there is no reason to act like it is.
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Here is the prob.
Leviticus 18:24,25 KJV
"Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants."
sinning always leads to consequences that are devastating!!
That is the problem,if its not then like Apostle Paul says 'lets all be merry after getting drunk and die tomorrow',because then Christ never came in flesh too..to redeem mankind from clutches of sin!
sinning always leads to disastrous endings,nobody can come to rescue then..
Argument 4:
Are you a lesbian? If so, then this whole topic is you twisting the Bible and manipulating to have your way! You are just making it mean something else to your own benefit! That is not good in the eyes of GOD.
Counterargument 4:
I am not lesbian. In fact, the thought of doing something like that personally grosses and creeps me out a bit (Although the thought of doing it with a man also grosses me out. I'm a virgin btw. I plan on staying that way for life.). That much is irrelevant regardless. As for what my motive is behind this topic, a few things. You are making lesbi---------
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--------is understanding and has forgiven you for all of your sins that are much more vast than the one potential sin you pointed out.
Additionally, there is nothing logically incorrect about anything that I pointed out. It does not say it is a sin for women to sleep with women as they would with a man. That means there is nothing suggesting that it is a sin in the first place. Why would this"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." be worded this way, but the line "Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto" that comes immediately afterwards be so specific and address women separately?
answer:-
you said you are not a lesbian,and you pray a lot.Who is your God?
And no,True Christians do not condemn others.Being a Christian who struggles a lot in life to keep my stand for God,i find it pretty hard to do.But in Faith,i know that if God has brought me this far He will lead me till i finish this earthly life and enter Eternity.True Christians do not condemn others,because they know that they themselves stand on Grace of God.
Its true that many addicted people are treated in a disgusting way by people in Church.But if God brought a new soul who was trying her/his way to Freedom and came to a Church led by God,no dog! will be able to stop them from being in the Presence of God.i urge you to ask people who are weak minded,if you have doubts also Get close to the Presence of God.When people from various walks of life come to Christ 'because of the oppression'-(mostly),and when they Repent God's Love flows through them making them change and taste God's Love and Forgiveness when society cast them out.
God shows no partiality!If you have seen people doing that which might include me too,then its not about people,its all about God.That's why i still go to Church!
Argument 5:
So according to you, it's perfectly fine to be lesbian! Great! Now society is one step closer to incest and pedophilia!
Counterargument 5:
No more so than heterosexual relationships. In fact, GOD specified against incest and pedophilia in the section regarding sexual immoralities. Do not -------------------
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as they are in need of Christianity the most. Do not say "How dare you call yourself Christian when X" because the same should be said to you.
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i totally agree with you there,but that doesn't mean that somebody can talk like being a pedophile is ok,go and do it!
With that said,i have been trying to get this thing about judging others to many of the thick heads here..The moment i ask them about their testimonies as they condemn,they hide behind shells!!
i totally agree with you on that,you said it...
Yes,i correct myself and am no better than anyone else,but somehow plead to God that i may obtain Eternity in Heaven.i have a lot to correct myself than point finger,but in Christ i can exhort another to come to Grace of God than carry the burden by themselves so that i can overcome everything by the Grace of God in long run.i urge you also with Love of God to do so...
The other part:
Romans 1:18
That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as ------
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------ as with womankind: it is abomination." convinced me that perhaps it is not actually a sin. It doesn't appear to be mentioned anywhere else in the Bible as far as I know, unless i'm wrong? It appears as though it isn't explicitely or clearly stated anywhere in the Bible that lesbian relationships are wrong.
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you mention here that God is not speaking there and when we look at today's world its really confusing who speak in spirit of God and who is not.
Its easy to understand,when a man of God speaks,explained things that will be established.So if its not in the Spirit of God it will not stand in time.
When you think Apostle Paul don't stand qualified,who died for Christ's Testimony...i don't think you are a Christian.God speaks through His men/women.Don't be amazed,because then you shouldn't quote from OT to justify..because its mostly the Prophets of God that spoke then..you are falling in your own words there
What do you think?
i think i got a lot to correct in me than judge others and lot of people to share the Gospel of Christ and bring them to Eternal Hope of Christ..and somehow obtain God's Mercies to enter Heaven.There all my worries will end when i see Him finally face to face.i was given a second chance to Live by God when i tried to end it all.i saw and experienced the Spirit of God lifting me up from death.This is what i feel about it-where i condemned myself to death thinking am a looser as a successful Christian,God Forgave me to fight another day to make my way as overcomer in course of time.i would not recommend anyone to end life,because chances of what i experienced needn't be a rule always.By the Grace of God am alive today and i am testifying this to you.God changed my life and taught me to Love others like He Loves me unconditionally.Its not easy,but tolerance is an added gift,so is endurance once you really start walking with Jesus.
So in total,placing myself also in the examining area i say that God can make a difference in our lives be it whatever the addiction.Love of God is so powerful to lift us up from underneath us and makes us clean and in time Strengthen us to become overcomers to run into Glory of God in latter.
Love changes everything,because Love comes from God..and God is Love!
i am not saying this to win argument,but don't become sympathetic towards devil or his ways.The slow victories that we might get will be blocked or more delayed if you go behind things that are not connected with you(you said already you are not a lesbian).
abominable sins leads to this,which includes lesbianim:-
"Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants."
we are in Grace Period,so if in bondage by Grace of God we can overcome when we get more and more close to Jesus.Living in Humility and correcting oneself,exhorting one another through compassion and Prayer is the only way.Rest is all self pride!!
God Bless