Did Muhammad really see Gabriel or was it just satan posing as an angel of light?

[grif101]

The problem that I see for the most part is the everyone here and maybe even including myself has surface knowledge some of us have a little more in-depth knowledge of Islam the Quran and comparative religions. But people are making all sorts of mistakes and all they have to do is go do the research and they'll find out if they're saying things that are inaccurate nothing I've said is inaccurate accept the things that I fixed when I accidentally said that Muhammad believed that Jesus Mary and God were a trinity. He never use the word Trinity just as in the Bible that we're Trinity was never used. But did Jesus ever say worship me? That's a serious question I'm asking you this for an answer. If Jesus said worship me in the Bible then I want to know where it is. I'm not joking I'm being very serious I've never seen anywhere that Jesus said worship me. When he spoke of the father did he not also tell other people that my father and your father could do this or do that?

The words "worship me" I'm not sure, but he implies it by saying He and the Father are one.

John 10:27-30 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one.

Read more: Words of Jesus: 15 Amazing Bible Quotes

Also, he said "Follow me". To follow just a man would not require worshiping him, but to follow the Savior, the Creator, the Christ, how could you not?

Mark 8:34-37 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel’s, the same shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Read more: Words of Jesus: 15 Amazing Bible Quotes

 

[grif101]

Sorry, my font size button exploded.

 

[Mchl]

I don't want to really talk on this anymore because I don't want to go into great detail and display that this was not the first person in history that was considered the Son of God and crucified. I don't want to go in the death because there are many other people that were considered the Son of God and crucified. Other religions have taught this before. I'm not saying that he wasn't crucified I'm say that other religions have taught this. You're quoting something to his Apostles said and taught. I'm asking you did Jesus ever say worship me? When he spoke to people about the father did he not refer to the father as being their father and his father my father and your father? When he told the Lord's Prayer or the Our Father in Heaven did he not use the Our Father in heaven? He never claimed that he was the only begotten son. I'm not disputing that Jesus wasn't crucified. I'm not arguing about any of that what I'm saying is that Paul is the one that started teach that he was something other than what Jesus himself was teaching. Paul and his version of the Kingdom of Heaven and Jesus was different than what the apostles believed. Peter didn't even understand what the man was talking about with all due respect. They didn't agree they didn't see eye-to-eye because Paul had taking it to a different level. No a person can believe that he was correct or believe that he was not correct. I'm not saying he was correct or incorrect what I'm saying is Paul's Christianity is way different than the teachings of the Apostles and Jesus. Why do you think there was so much conflict between James and Peter with Paul? It wasn't simply because Paul wanted to take the message to the Gentiles. I'm glad that he did. But Jesus says salvation is of the Jews. You have to admit it if you look at what the gospels are teaching and then you look at Paul's perspective of Christianity they are very much different. Not contradictory but Paul built on two what was in the Gospels. I'm not saying that he wasn't receiving this information from the Holy Spirit. What I am saying is it's a drastic difference between the Jesus that Paul teach and a Jesus that the apostles taught and that's really too deep of a subject to go into because then we would have to take several versus from Paul's letters and compare them to versus in the Gospels. And that would be a Bible study Within itself. I think that we're pretty much seeing the same things it's just that we're seeing them from a different perspective. Unfortunately that's the problem with Christianity now is there so many denominations in so many teach a different type of Jesus. Some believe he's the Messiah and the spiritual Son of God. Others believe he is part of the trinity. Others believe that they're two separate gods. This would be a Bible study and it sells so I'm just going to leave it here because we're just going to go back and forth and I wanted to explore some of the other areas on this site. I just signed up today and I'm kind of gotten stuck in this thread. Peace be with you

 

[Mchl]

Sorry I'm using the voice command system and I said I don't think it's going to alter your salvation if you believe that they are one or one in purpose because they are one in purpose

 

[grif101]

But Jesus is the only one that was crucified and rose from the dead. Only God can do that.

 

[kaylagrl]

Did you not notice I said you're not supposed to pray to Mary in Catholicism. You can ask Mary to pray for you. If you can pray for me why do you think that Mary cannot pray for you? What's the difference between asking someone on Earth or in your church to pray for you and asking someone who is in heaven or Paradise to pray for you? You're once again getting it misunderstood misconstrued

Why would ask anyone to pray for you when you can ask Jesus yourself for all your needs? Jesus is your intercessor between God and man.You dont need Mary or any saint,or me. You pray for yourself to the Father,Jesus made this possible when He died. We can go to the throne room of heaven,why would you send a messenger when you can go yourself? That makes no sense at all.

 

[kaylagrl]

No one worships him and no one prayed to him. The disciples knew he was the Messiah. You're probably talking about the time when he says you seen me you've seen the father. The father and I are one. One in purpose. With the same Drive in the same desire of the father. Your father my father everyone's father. You got to be known it wasn't just his father it was everyone's father. If you knew the father then you would know him he said. That is because he's teachings were completely in line with the teachings of God. Now the part that you're probably thinking of is where he said I am. And then we go back to Mount Sinai where God said I am that I am. I'm not trying to put Jesus down or slight him in any way but he did not ask people to worship him and no one worshipped him. A lot of profits were worshipped if you just read the Old Testament. Because they were speaking from the mouth of God inspired by the spirit. So it's true he never said don't worship me why you never said worship me and none of the Old Testament prophets said don't worship me but do you remember Elijah and Elisha?

Yes,they did worship Him,


Matt. 14- [FONT=&quot]Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Matt.28-[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.


John 20- [/FONT] [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.[/FONT]



[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Contrast that with what Peter did when he was worshiped,


[/FONT][FONT=&quot] And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.


[/FONT]Rev.19-[FONT=&quot]And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [/FONT]thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.


Jesus never rebuked anyone who worshiped Him.

 

[Burninglight]

The problem that I see for the most part is the everyone here and maybe even including myself has surface knowledge some of us have a little more in-depth knowledge of Islam the Quran and comparative religions.

And maybe including yourself? Excuse me you should just speak for yourself. I know the depth of Islam; it goes to the depths of hell itself.

But people are making all sorts of mistakes and all they have to do is go do the research and they'll find out if they're saying things that are inaccurate nothing I've said is inaccurate accept the things that I fixed when I accidentally said that Muhammad believed that Jesus Mary and God were a trinity. He never use the word Trinity just as in the Bible that we're Trinity was never used. But did Jesus ever say worship me? ?

I am the one who corrected your accidental mistake. FYI, Jesus did say worship Him with His actions and with His silence. The people he healed worshipped Him. Thomas called Him "My Lord and my God." Jesus considered their worship of Him well place even the woman worshipping at His feet with a very expensive perfume wiping it with her hair and may other such things. Jesus saying "Before Abraham was Iam" the Jews knew He was making Himself equal with God in nature.

That's a serious question I'm asking you this for an answer. If Jesus said worship me in the Bible then I want to know where it is. I'm not joking I'm being very serious I've never seen anywhere that Jesus said worship me. When he spoke of the father did he not also tell other people that my father and your father could do this or do that?

With all due respect, are you sure you are not a Muslim wannabe? Your comments are typical of what Muslims would say. The Scripture says that God alone should be worshipped, but God doesn't judge anyone, but has committed all judgment unto the Son so that you would honor Him the same as the Father. If you don't honor Jesus the same as God (as one who is to be worshipped), you are not honoring God. It cannot be any clearer. You just don't know Jesus friend.

"Jesus is not valued unless He is valued above all"
Augustine

 

[Burninglight]

Sorry I'm using the voice command system and I said I don't think it's going to alter your salvation if you believe that they are one or one in purpose because they are one in purpose

I wouldn't be so sure about that. They were, are, and will be one in essence, character and nature. Of course that means one in purpose; it goes without saying. You need to know Jesus to be saved. To know Him is to have eternal life.

 

[Burninglight]

No one worships him and no one prayed to him. The disciples knew he was the Messiah. You're probably talking about the time when he says you seen me you've seen the father. The father and I are one. One in purpose. With the same Drive in the same desire of the father. Your father my father everyone's father. You got to be known it wasn't just his father it was everyone's father. If you knew the father then you would know him he said.

Jesus makes the father known. Jesus was worshipped. I believe you are a Muslim sympathizer , but it is okay if we know who you are. Stick around you will learn the truth here and be put in place when needed which is quite often, but you are loved.

That is because he's teachings were completely in line with the teachings of God. Now the part that you're probably thinking of is where he said I am. And then we go back to Mount Sinai where God said I am that I am. I'm not trying to put Jesus down or slight him in any way but he did not ask people to worship him and no one worshipped him. A lot of profits were worshipped if you just read the Old Testament. Because they were speaking from the mouth of God inspired by the spirit. So it's true he never said don't worship me why you never said worship me and none of the Old Testament prophets said don't worship me but do you remember Elijah and Elisha?

You are "not trying to put Jesus down?" You could've fooled me. You spelled prophet wrong but people do worship profit (Money, lol) Jesus was a prophet too, but He is a prophet's prophet and the only one worthy of worship. All other prophets and apostles and prophets that were worshipped rebuked the people for doing it, but not Jesus; so go figure.

 

[Burninglight]

Did you not notice I said you're not supposed to pray to Mary in Catholicism.

You are not supposed to pray to Mary period!

You can ask Mary to pray for you. If you can pray for me why do you think that Mary cannot pray for you? What's the difference between asking someone on Earth or in your church to pray for you and asking someone who is in heaven or Paradise to pray for you? You're once again getting it misunderstood misconstrued

You really sound confused and mixed up. If I didn't know better, I'd say you were a Catholic Muslim sympathizer. Are You?

 

[Burninglight]

I don't want to really talk on this anymore......

This is the smartest thing I've heard you say thus far.

 

[joefizz]

I don't want to really talk on this anymore because I don't want to go into great detail and display that this was not the first person in history that was considered the Son of God and crucified. I don't want to go in the death because there are many other people that were considered the Son of God and crucified. Other religions have taught this before. I'm not saying that he wasn't crucified I'm say that other religions have taught this. You're quoting something to his Apostles said and taught. I'm asking you did Jesus ever say worship me? When he spoke to people about the father did he not refer to the father as being their father and his father my father and your father? When he told the Lord's Prayer or the Our Father in Heaven did he not use the Our Father in heaven? He never claimed that he was the only begotten son. I'm not disputing that Jesus wasn't crucified. I'm not arguing about any of that what I'm saying is that Paul is the one that started teach that he was something other than what Jesus himself was teaching. Paul and his version of the Kingdom of Heaven and Jesus was different than what the apostles believed. Peter didn't even understand what the man was talking about with all due respect. They didn't agree they didn't see eye-to-eye because Paul had taking it to a different level. No a person can believe that he was correct or believe that he was not correct. I'm not saying he was correct or incorrect what I'm saying is Paul's Christianity is way different than the teachings of the Apostles and Jesus. Why do you think there was so much conflict between James and Peter with Paul? It wasn't simply because Paul wanted to take the message to the Gentiles. I'm glad that he did. But Jesus says salvation is of the Jews. You have to admit it if you look at what the gospels are teaching and then you look at Paul's perspective of Christianity they are very much different. Not contradictory but Paul built on two what was in the Gospels. I'm not saying that he wasn't receiving this information from the Holy Spirit. What I am saying is it's a drastic difference between the Jesus that Paul teach and a Jesus that the apostles taught and that's really too deep of a subject to go into because then we would have to take several versus from Paul's letters and compare them to versus in the Gospels. And that would be a Bible study Within itself. I think that we're pretty much seeing the same things it's just that we're seeing them from a different perspective. Unfortunately that's the problem with Christianity now is there so many denominations in so many teach a different type of Jesus. Some believe he's the Messiah and the spiritual Son of God. Others believe he is part of the trinity. Others believe that they're two separate gods. This would be a Bible study and it sells so I'm just going to leave it here because we're just going to go back and forth and I wanted to explore some of the other areas on this site. I just signed up today and I'm kind of gotten stuck in this thread. Peace be with you

so you don't want to debate, yet you leave a haze of text,inviting doubt into people's hearts,of Jesus not being son of God,which he does say in the bible,whether he spake this by saying he was the son of man,son of God,or telling pilate that his Kingdom would not be established in this world,each scripture points clearly to Jesus,as God's only begotten son,clearly you don't want to Lear n God's word alongside the holy spirit yet you contradict yourself and try whether knowingly or not to get people to not come to God because you are undecided,if you are undecided then don't drag others down with you to work iniquity,or at the very least try to be encouraging or if you've nothing "good"'to say then don't say it,"for even a fool seemeth wise if he keeps his peace"or better yet study the bible "spiritually" alongside the holy spirit then you may just be able to get out of your pit of undecidedness,just saying whatever choice you've made for yourself about Jesus or anyone else in the bible is just your "opinion" not fact,so please keep in mind that your "opinion" is not fact and that this only brings you further from God not closer,because what you say can influence people to stay from God or even possibly lead to their death,and either way"God will require their blood at your hands" as in if you influence someone by your words to turn from God in anyway,or you don't help people come to God,while claiming to be working for God,then YOU ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE,for your actions,so try to think of others,BEFORE,you make a statement that could lead others to foolishness!

 

[Burninglight]

so you don't want to debate, yet you leave a haze of text,inviting doubt into people's hearts,of Jesus not being son of God,which he does say in the bible,whether he spake this by saying he was the son of man,son of God,or telling pilate that his Kingdom would not be established in this world,each scripture points clearly to Jesus,as God's only begotten son,clearly you don't want to Lear n God's word alongside the holy spirit yet you contradict yourself and try whether knowingly or not to get people to not come to God because you are undecided,if you are undecided then don't drag others down with you to work iniquity,or at the very least try to be encouraging or if you've nothing "good"'to say then don't say it,"for even a fool seemeth wise if he keeps his peace"or better yet study the bible "spiritually" alongside the holy spirit then you may just be able to get out of your pit of undecidedness,just saying whatever choice you've made for yourself about Jesus or anyone else in the bible is just your "opinion" not fact,so please keep in mind that your "opinion" is not fact and that this only brings you further from God not closer,because what you say can influence people to stay from God or even possibly lead to their death,and either way"God will require their blood at your hands" as in if you influence someone by your words to turn from God in anyway,or you don't help people come to God,while claiming to be working for God,then YOU ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE,for your actions,so try to think of others,BEFORE,you make a statement that could lead others to foolishness!

I don't think he'll be back to respond unless he comes to dig a deeper hole for himself or repents.

 

[Burninglight]

Sorry, my font size button exploded.

A blind person cannot see it no matter how big you make the font! No need to apologize for that. I understand. I believe this person was trolling.

 

[Theos]

What makes you believe that Muhammad really sees the Satan posing as Angel of Light? Any proof?

 

[Rudimental]

What makes you believe that Muhammad really sees the Satan posing as Angel of Light? Any proof?

Hi mate can you reiterate what you're asking or who it is you're actually asking this of?

Also, your English is not grammatically correct. You said "sees" but that would imply Muhammad still sees anything at all. But he can't see anything right now because he's dead of course. Are you sure you didn't mean to use the past tense verb of "saw"? Which would make more sense when we consider that this supposed vision was seen or saw, rather than constantly seeing. Sorry to pick you on on this but I assume English isn't your native tongue so I can forgive you for it but yeah.

What makes you believe that Muhammad really sees the Satan posing as Angel of Light? Any proof?

Please read the thread from start to finish in full and then you will understand why people believe this! Your question seriously smacks of ignorance! Although it's one that also has tones of curiosity and want of information and that's fair enough. But again, but yeah.

 

[Theos]

Hi mate can you reiterate what you're asking or who it is you're actually asking this of?

Also, your English is not grammatically correct. You said "sees" but that would imply Muhammad still sees anything at all. But he can't see anything right now because he's dead of course. Are you sure you didn't mean to use the past tense verb of "saw"? Which would make more sense when we consider that this supposed vision was seen or saw, rather than constantly seeing. Sorry to pick you on on this but I assume English isn't your native tongue so I can forgive you for it but yeah.

Please read the thread from start to finish in full and then you will understand why people believe this! Your question seriously smacks of ignorance! Although it's one that also has tones of curiosity and want of information and that's fair enough. But again, but yeah.

Yes English is not my native language. Can I ask again, What makes you believe that Muhammad actually saw Satan who disguised as Angel of Light? Any evidence?

Actually, I do not believe that Angel and Satan exist.

 

[kaylagrl]

Yes English is not my native language. Can I ask again, What makes you believe that Muhammad actually saw Satan who disguised as Angel of Light? Any evidence?

Actually, I do not believe that Angel and Satan exist.

Well one day we will know for sure. And if he does exist where would that leave you?

 

[Rudimental]

Yes English is not my native language. Can I ask again, What makes you believe that Muhammad actually saw Satan who disguised as Angel of Light? Any evidence?

Actually, I do not believe that Angel and Satan exist.

I see. Like I said, please read this thread from start to finish. And or please do some research on it for yourself. Use Google to search and research it and come to your own conclusion! The facts are that Muhammad say or was said to have been visited by an angel but he was mistreated by that angel. Even strangled by it. And angels of God don't strangle people....