Jesus (bible) Vs Isa (quran)

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leonardronaldo

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So in the second paragraph you said this:
It is strange that muslims are seen as supressing woman yet muslims do not see it this way.

And the third to the last paragraph you realized this:
Arab would be beautiful country to visit but it is difficult to enter and the muslims who do go have strict laws to follow and live up to and obey.
I would not be permited go there alone.
One must be accompanied by a man if one is a woman.
Woman are not to travel alone.

What was your point?
 
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Mammachickadee

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Thank you for writing this insightful post. I know from personal experience that most in Bible-believing churches have a somewhat warped belief of Islam. Islam has changed greatly from what Mohammed first proclaimed it to be. It is more diluted but the methods of practice are still in place that are more worshipful than many church practices in America. It seems reminiscent of the temple practices, even.
To say that the suppression of women is, when it is actuated, the greatest fault in islam would be to ignore the GREATEST problem, and the treatment of women as individuals in any given religion supports that the greatest problem is the disagreement over Jesus's identity. Was Jesus a great teacher? Yes, he was... and religions all over the world tap into his teachings. Was Jesus a great prophet? Yes, he was... and His prophecy will never be undone. Was Jesus a man? Yes... all man, but He was also all God. What religions all over the world fail to digest is that Jesus was Prophet, Priest, AND King... God in the flesh for so long as He needed to live on this earth and fulfill the prophecies delineated in the Old Testament.
Islam does not agree that Jesus was God, but a good man and a prophet. But would a man truly good proclaim himself God? Jesus did and was nearly stoned by his people for it. If one has to refute His teachings on this point they have to refute them all... including His encouragement that we love one another. Jesus also died for those He loves and chose to save. Did Mohammed or Allah die to save those that love them and lay claim to their "promises"? Since a good part of Mohammed's teaching was that Jesus was a great man, and Jesus did something that directly conflicts with Islam, is not Mohammed, therefore, wrong in his teachings as well? And if Mohammed was wrong about Jesus, how can one trust all of his other teachings? Though many great things can be learned from Islamic dedication, one cannot say that Islam is anything greater than a method to live by for those that want to be good people... something that can be said about parts of most religions across this world.
 
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Mammachickadee

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Bowman said:
Let's help you out...

إلا=“illa”

“illa” definition:

Regarded as a simple word. If not; unless; except; some; otherwise; less; but; and;also. This word is used to signify the sense of exception. This exception is oftwo kinds: 1) Exception in which the thing excepted belongs to the same classor species to which the things from which an exception is sought to be made,belongs. 2) Exception in which the excepted thing belongs to a different class or species. It commonly governs the accusative. It also means not even.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one,pp. 76 - 78
The Dictionary of the HolyQur’an, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] edition, Abdul Mannan Omar p. 27



Now...where does 'illa' ever mean 'only'...?
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Exception or Acception
 
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leonardronaldo

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Mammachickadee said:
Thank you for writing this insightful post. I know from personal experience that most in Bible-believing churches have a somewhat warped belief of Islam. Islam has changed greatly from what Mohammed first proclaimed it to be. It is more diluted but the methods of practice are still in place that are more worshipful than many church practices in America. It seems reminiscent of the temple practices, even.
To say that the suppression of women is, when it is actuated, the greatest fault in islam would be to ignore the GREATEST problem, and the treatment of women as individuals in any given religion supports that the greatest problem is the disagreement over Jesus's identity. Was Jesus a great teacher? Yes, he was... and religions all over the world tap into his teachings. Was Jesus a great prophet? Yes, he was... and His prophecy will never be undone. Was Jesus a man? Yes... all man, but He was also all God. What religions all over the world fail to digest is that Jesus was Prophet, Priest, AND King... God in the flesh for so long as He needed to live on this earth and fulfill the prophecies delineated in the Old Testament.
Islam does not agree that Jesus was God, but a good man and a prophet. But would a man truly good proclaim himself God? Jesus did and was nearly stoned by his people for it. If one has to refute His teachings on this point they have to refute them all... including His encouragement that we love one another. Jesus also died for those He loves and chose to save. Did Mohammed or Allah die to save those that love them and lay claim to their "promises"? Since a good part of Mohammed's teaching was that Jesus was a great man, and Jesus did something that directly conflicts with Islam, is not Mohammed, therefore, wrong in his teachings as well? And if Mohammed was wrong about Jesus, how can one trust all of his other teachings? Though many great things can be learned from Islamic dedication, one cannot say that Islam is anything greater than a method to live by for those that want to be good people... something that can be said about parts of most religions across this world.
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Hi i don't learn Islam from the church I learned it from reading quran and tafsir, hadith and sira.
Islam does view women as second class creature.
And can you point me one GREAT THING to be learn from Islam? since I saw you found many.
Blessings
 
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Mammachickadee

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Excellent idea. I find it interesting how all over Egypt are monuments and remnants of the Catholic church. The basic premise that Jesus was good and one can do good works to earn his way into heaven makes the philosophies of Catholicism and Islam compatible and appealing. They both put the control of salvation in the hands of the man instead of relying solely on God's providence. There is one commonality between Calvinism and Islam, though, that I find interesting. The belief that God will save whomever He wants to save.
 
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leonardronaldo

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Mammachickadee said:
Excellent idea. I find it interesting how all over Egypt are monuments and remnants of the Catholic church. The basic premise that Jesus was good and one can do good works to earn his way into heaven makes the philosophies of Catholicism and Islam compatible and appealing. They both put the control of salvation in the hands of the man instead of relying solely on God's providence. There is one commonality between Calvinism and Islam, though, that I find interesting. The belief that God will save whomever He wants to save.
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Well God chose you before the foundation of the earth, didn't He? The difference in quran is Allah ACTIVELY spreads enimity, hatred and deception to the lost.
 
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Bryancampbell

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Now my friend said that when they fast (Ramadan), they can't even drink water either, but during sunset to sunrise they can eat, but then fast during the day.....How is that fasting????
 
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leonardronaldo

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Bryancampbell said:
Now my friend said that when they fast (Ramadan), they can't even drink water either, but during sunset to sunrise they can eat, but then fast during the day.....How is that fasting????
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lol where were you?
in saudi, all saudi are taking vacations for a month, the non-saudi are the one who take the work.
 
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Bryancampbell

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leonardronaldo said:
lol where were you?
in saudi, all saudi are taking vacations for a month, the non-saudi are the one who take the work.
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Saudi takes a vacation...for a month, that sounds like a fun way to fast
 
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leonardronaldo

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Bryancampbell said:
Saudi takes a vacation...for a month, that sounds like a fun way to fast
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well i have to correct myself, of course not all saudi. but most activities are shutdown, I believe. even they are not shutdown, the saudi will ask cheaper workers like from my country, bangladesh, pakistan, sudan, etc (who are muslims and fasting as well), to do the work, and the saudi will layback and wait for the sunset and the profit.
 
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isaria

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I do not beleive we are born the same or born equal :) ;;;

Also if one says "oh half/half" then cuts ala 10% merely to survive with but oh how good it looks and feels good for those did it.
Heard of dog being crucified 5 times till she died. A hero dog. Blessed she be.
Once usually kills. :)
You may say that can not be a true story but indeed you be surprised things people do.
Also heard of dogs being raped by humans (not goats).


Also miss my people.
Very frustrating be educated and rather clever etc (lol) yet not be able live it in a true meat or articulate it.
Maybe one uses other tools to work with and ones true meat not feel good and such a waste.
Also the love life, social..., finances and ackknowledgement that one not bum (alone)
I blabber here.
Sorry.

May prayer every day but not visit mosque or churches.

It is so deep within me some how , in who I am..... Islam.

Point was I need a travel party/partner. :)

Apolagies, Im just blabbering here.
 
Drett

Drett

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leonardronaldo said:
well i have to correct myself, of course not all saudi. but most activities are shutdown, I believe. even they are not shutdown, the saudi will ask cheaper workers like from my country, bangladesh, pakistan, sudan, etc (who are muslims and fasting as well), to do the work, and the saudi will layback and wait for the sunset and the profit.
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Is that your experience of Saudi Arabia ? When were you there ? My experience from my visits is that they are trying to scratch a living just like everyone else. They are generally shop keepers and drivers. The fasting month is the second busiest time there so they would be crazy to take that month off.
 
Bowman

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Bryancampbell said:
Now my friend said that when they fast (Ramadan), they can't even drink water either, but during sunset to sunrise they can eat, but then fast during the day.....How is that fasting????
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It only makes sense in light of the pagan phases of the moon to which it had it genesis.
 
willfollowsGod

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Beg pardon but the phases of the moon are not pagan they are just phases of the moon. Now, some may call it a certain phase based on their religion, but still the phases of the moon are not pagan. God bless.
 
Bowman

Bowman

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willfollowsGod said:
Beg pardon but the phases of the moon are not pagan they are just phases of the moon. Now, some may call it a certain phase based on their religion, but still the phases of the moon are not pagan. God bless.
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'Allah' is a pagan Arab moon god....thus, it follows that worship of a moon god would likewise involve rituals around moon phases.
 
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willfollowsGod

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Bowman, you did not make that clear in the post. Sorry. That is why I said that. God bless.
 
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leonardronaldo

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Drett said:
Is that your experience of Saudi Arabia ? When were you there ? My experience from my visits is that they are trying to scratch a living just like everyone else. They are generally shop keepers and w drivers. The fasting month is the second busiest time there so they would be crazy to take that month off.
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No, but I have Muslim friends who have worked there and told me that, although it was like almost 10 years ago.
I will let let another members of cc from saudi, then, to explain the current situation there.
In any ways, Jesus is sovereign there. amen
 
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Bryancampbell

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leonardronaldo said:
No, but I have Muslim friends who have worked there and told me that, although it was like almost 10 years ago.
I will let let another members of cc from saudi, then, to explain the current situation there.
In any ways, Jesus is sovereign there. amen
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Hey been a while friend since you been on, how are ya? :)
 
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leonardronaldo

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am fine thanks God.
needed to be away for a while. did i miss something big here?
:)
 
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