Jesus (bible) Vs Isa (quran)

Bowman · Nov 12, 2014

Observe this mind-blowing summary showing exactly how the authors of the Koran used the Biblical Book of Revelation to construct the Koranic Paradise.

It is discovered that paraphrased Book of Revelation Heaven material is strewn across the pages of the Koran and exactly mirrors the description contained in the Holy Bible. These paraphrased Koranic remnants, of the original, have been collected into one place for critical examination and reconstruction.

The most profound result of this study is the fact that the Koranic Paradise is built upon, and is reserved for, the followers of Jesus Christ.This is readily apparent from the construction of Heaven as it contains twelve foundations built upon Jesus’ twelve disciples; with twelve gates of entrance based upon the twelve tribes of Israel.

All this, completely lost to ignorance in what is now known as Islam…

1) Will there be a New Creation?
Revelation:yes(3.12, 21.1-2, 21.5)
Koran: yes(10.4, 10.34, 14.19, 17.49-51, 17.98, 21.104, 27.64, 29.19, 30.11, 30.27, 32.10, 34.7, 35.16, 50.15, 71.17-18)

2) Will the New Creation consist of a New Heavens and a New Earth?
Revelation:yes(21.1-2, 21.5)
Koran: yes(14.48, 17.99, 21.104, 27.64, 29.19, 30.11, 30.27, 71.17-18)

3) Will the Old Heavens and the Old Earth pass away?
Revelation:yes(21.1)
Koran: yes(81.11)

4) Will there be a City?
Revelation:yes(3.12, 11.2, 14.2, 20.9, 21.2, 21.10, 21.14 – 16, 21.18 – 19, 21.21, 21.23, 22.14, 22.19)
Koran: yes(90.1 - 2)

5) Does the City descend?
Revelation:yes(3.12; 21.2, 21.10)
Koran: yes(90.1 – 2, 26.90, 50.31, 53.13, 67.27, 81.13)

6) Is someone descending with the City?
Revelation:yes(3.21, 14.1)
Koran: yes(90.1 - 2)

7) Does the City involve a father and offspring?
Revelation:yes(3.21, 14.1)
Koran: yes(90.3)

8) What is the shape of the City?
Revelation:cube(21.16)
Koran: cube(5.95, 5.97)

9) What is it made of?
Revelation:gold(21.18 - 21)
Koran: gold(17.92 - 93)

10) Is the foundation made of precious stones?
Revelation:yes(21.19 - 20)
Koran: yes(56.15)

11) Are these precious stones various colors?
Revelation:yes(21.19 - 20)
Koran: yes(81.13)

12) Made of chrysolyte?
Revelation:yes(21.19 - 20)
Koran: yes (24.35,55.58, 81.13)

13) What is surrounding the City?
Revelation:wall(21.12 - 19)
Koran: wall(7.44-49, 53.15, 57.12 -13)

14) Is the wall high?
Revelation:yes(21.12 - 19)
Koran: yes(7.44-49)

15) Is the wall green?
Revelation:yes(21.11, 21.18)
Koran: yes(81.13)

16) How do you enter the City?
Revelation:gates(21.12-13, 22.14)
Koran: gates(13.22-24, 21.101-103, 38.50, 39.73, 43.34, 57.12-13)

17) How many gates are there?
Revelation:twelve(21.10 - 13)
Koran: twelve(85.1)

18) Are the gates open?
Revelation:yes(21.25)
Koran: yes(38.50, 39.73, 76.19)

19) What do the gates look like?
Revelation: pearls(21.21)
Koran: pearls(22.23, 35.33, 52.24, 55.22, 55.58, 56.22 -23, 76.19)

20) Do the gates have names on them?
Revelation:yes(21.12)
Koran: yes (85.1)

21) Are the gates sons?
Revelation:yes(21.12)
Koran: yes(52.24, 76.19)

22) Are the gates guarded?
Revelation:yes(21.12)
Koran: yes(13.22-24, 21.101-103, 39.73, 52.24, 56.22 -23)

23) Who is guarding the gates?
Revelation:angels(21.12)
Koran: angels (13.22-24, 21.101-103, 39.73)

24) How many are allowed to enter through the gates?
Revelation:144,000(7.4 – 8, 14.1 - 3)
Koran: thousands(106.1)

25) Are these the ones sealed?
Revelation:yes(7.4 – 8, 14.1 - 3)
Koran: yes(106.1)

26) Are these the victorious?
Revelation:yes(3.21, 12.11, 21.7)
Koran: yes(106.1)

27) How did they become victorious?
Revelation:by the blood of the sacrificial Lamb(1.5, 5.9, 7.14, 12.11)
Koran: by the sacrifice for humanity (108.2)

28) Are the victorious descended from a tribe of Abraham?
Revelation:yes(7.4 – 8)
Koran: yes(106.1)

29) Are the victorious drawn to a singular praised male?
Revelation:yes(2.7, 7.13 – 17, 21.6 – 7, 22.1-4)
Koran: yes(106.1)

30) Are the victorious sheltered from thirst?
Revelation:yes(7.13 - 17)
Koran: yes(106.1)

31) Are the victorious sheltered from hunger?
Revelation:yes(7.13 - 17)
Koran: yes(106.1)

32) Does their Lord feed them?
Revelation:yes(2.7, 7.16 - 17)
Koran: yes(106.4)

33) Are the victorious sheltered from heat?
Revelation:yes(7.13 - 17)
Koran: yes(106.1)

34) Does their Lord free them of fear?
Revelation:yes(7.16 - 17)
Koran: yes(106.4)

35) Who is the Lord that does all this for them?
Revelation:The Lamb(2.7, 7.16 – 17, 21.6 - 7)
Koran: The Lord(106.3 - 4)

Bowman · Nov 12, 2014

(Cont.)...

36) Do the victorious worship their Lord in the cube?
Revelation:yes(22.3)
Koran: yes(106.3)

37) Is the Lord that that they worship a slain sacrifice for humanity?
Revelation:yes(5.6, 5.8 – 9, 5.12)
Koran: yes(108.2)

38) Does Paradise contain the Tree of life?
Revelation:yes(2.7, 22.2, 22.14)
Koran: yes (53.14, 83.19)

39) Does the Tree of Life grow on both sides of the river bank?
Revelation:yes(22.2)
Koran: yes (53.14)

40) Are the leaves of the Tree used for healing?
Revelation:yes(22.2)
Koran: yes (53.14)

41) Does the Tree bear fruit?
Revelation:yes(22.2)
Koran: yes (53.14)

42) Is it given out monthly?
Revelation:yes(22.1 - 4)
Koran: yes (108.1)

43) Who gives access to the Tree of Life?
Revelation:Jesus(2.7, 22.1 - 4)
Koran: Lord (108.1)

44) Does Paradise contain the Water of life?
Revelation:yes(21.6 – 7, 22.1 - 4)
Koran: yes(108.1)

45) Who gives access to the Water of Life?
Revelation:Jesus(21.6 – 7, 22.1 - 4)
Koran: Lord (108.1)

46) Are there two treed gardens?
Revelation:yes(22.2)
Koran: yes (53.14)

47) Are there 24 Elders?
Revelation:yes(4.4, 4.10, 5.5 – 6, 5.8, 5.11, 5.14)
Koran: yes(15.47, 37.44, 43.34, 44.53, 52.20, 56.16, 88.13)

48) Are the Elders in a circle?
Revelation:yes(4.4)
Koran: yes(37.44, 15.47, 56.16, 44.53)

49) Are the Elders on thrones?
Revelation:yes(4.4)
Koran: yes(37.44, 43.34, 52.20, 56.15 – 16, 88.13)

50) Are there 4 living creatures?
Revelation:yes(4.6 – 8, 6.3, 6.5, 6.7)
Koran: yes(53.16 – 53.19)

51) Are these four living creatures covered with eyes?
Revelation:yes(4.6 - 8)
Koran: yes(53.16 – 53.19)

52) Are these four living creatures in likeness to a bird?
Revelation:yes(4.6 - 8)
Koran: yes(53.17)

53) Is one of the four living creatures in likeness to a man?
Revelation:yes(4.7)
Koran: yes(53.19)

54) Is one of the four living creatures in likeness to an eagle?
Revelation:yes(4.7)
Koran: yes(53.19)

55) Does one of the four living creatures make a decree of death?
Revelation:yes(6.6 - 8)
Koran: yes(53.20)

56) Is the Lord sitting on a Throne?
Revelation:yes(22.1 - 4)
Koran: yes(13.2, 32.4, 81.20)

57) What is the appearance of the One sitting on the Throne?
Revelation:reddish(4.3)
Koran: reddish(81.20)

58) Do the Elect reside on the Throne with God?
Revelation:yes(3.20 - 21)
Koran: yes(56.15)

59) Do the Elect come out of The Great Tribulation?
Revelation:yes(7.14)
Koran: yes(86.9)

Bowman · Nov 12, 2014

(Cont.)...

60) Have the Elect washed and whitened their clothes?
Revelation: yes (7.14, 22.14)
Koran: yes (44.54, 52.20, 56.22)

61) Are the Elect called virgins?
Revelation: yes (14.3 - 4)
Koran: yes (78.32 - 33)

62) Are the Elect called first fruits?
Revelation: yes (14.3 - 4)
Koran: yes (56.35 - 36)

63) Will there be a book of Judgment?
Revelation: yes (20.12)
Koran: yes (81.10)

64) Does the Resurrection occur on a future day?
Revelation: yes (7.14)
Koran: yes (20.102, 86.9)

65) Is a horn blown into?
Revelation: yes (11.15)
Koran: yes (6.73, 18.99, 20.102, 23.101, 27.87, 36.51, 39.68, 50.20, 69.13, 78.18)

66) To whom does this Day belong?
Revelation: Christ (11.15)
Koran: His Word, The Truth, The King (i.e. Jesus Christ) (6.73)

67) Is the Resurrection a marriage?
Revelation: yes (19.7 - 9)
Koran: yes (86.9, 81.7)

68) Is the Resurrection a marriage feast?
Revelation: yes (2.7, 22.1 - 2)
Koran: yes (86.9)

69) Does this marriage feast involve food and drink?
Revelation: yes (2.7, 22.1 - 2)
Koran: yes (56.16, 86.9)

Human · Nov 13, 2014

Bowman said:

So you have no qualification that gives you ethos on the subject and your using shaky linguistic logic to reach conclusions opposed to the unanimous consensus among professional Arabic scholars that the Koran does not say the things you say it does, all of which casts considerable doubt on both your translations themselves and your motives for translating.

It's not harassment to ask what your authority on the subject is, nor is careful skepticism heckling.

Bowman · Nov 13, 2014

Human said:

So you have no qualification that gives you ethos on the subject and your using shaky linguistic logic to reach conclusions opposed to the unanimous consensus among professional Arabic scholars that the Koran does not say the things you say it does, all of which casts considerable doubt on both your translations themselves and your motives for translating.

It's not harassment to ask what your authority on the subject is, nor is careful skepticism heckling.

Bring your 'degreed scholars' here for discussion...what are you waiting for..?

Human · Nov 13, 2014

Bowman said:

Yes, because I have eight of them in my bedroom now, whom I can call upon should a stranger on a chat forum wish to have an argument about the merits of his living-room translations of ancient Arabic.

The retaliatory goading is a bit childish.

Bowman · Nov 13, 2014

Human said:

If you had something to bring to the table, then you would have done so by now.

You.

Have.

Nothing.

IbnSyed · Nov 13, 2014

Re: (Cont.)...

Bowman said:

This is just amazing stuff. Bowman, I need some time to get back to you. I've been very busy in some meetings today. I will have to go through the verses and references. But the Surah 90, the translation that I have is not the same that you have mentioned. Even Surah 85. I understand that your way of exegesis is a bit different. Since I already knew these Suras, I was able to focus on them instantly when I saw their references. Could you explain that please? But otherwise, I will go through the rest of the material only tomorrow. Tomorrow is our day of worship in this part of the world. So kindly bear with me if I reply very late to you. Blessings brother. May the Lord add more wisdom to you and touch lives through you.

Bowman · Nov 13, 2014

Re: (Cont.)...

IbnSyed said:

Not a problem, brother...

Reviewing sura 85...

Sura 85

البروج

“Alburooji”

“The Twelve Gates of Heaven”

(Named in honor of the Biblical Jesus’ return with the New Jerusalem)

Sura 85 can be compared to its most likely source – Johns’ Book of Revelation.

Just like legions of other chapters, the Koranic authors have tailor-made sura 85 to revolve completely around the Second Coming of the Biblical Jesus Christ.

Summary:

85.1 And/by the clouds, Lord of the twelve gates of heaven. (Announces and swears by Jesus’ return on a cloud with the New Jerusalem)

85.2 And/by the Day, the Resurrection Day. (Announces and swears by the Resurrection Day)

85.3 And eyewitness and the inhabitants of heaven and earth will be present. (John’s eyewitness of the Resurrection Day)

85.4 Woe to the people of the pit! (Second Death)

85.5 The fire, lord of the fuel.(Abode of the Devil)

85.6 When they are sitting on it. (The disbelievers)

85.7 And they are on that which they do with the believers’ witnesses. (The disbelievers)

85.8 And that which persecuted from them except that they believe with “allah”, the almighty, the praiseworthy.(The false god ‘allah’)

85.9 Who for himthe heavens and the earth’skingdom,and ‘allah’on every thingpresent.(The false god ‘allah’)

85.10 Truly whom they persecuted the believers and the believing women then they did not repent,so for them Hell'storment, and for them the burning torment. (Hell for the unbelievers)

85.11 Truly theywhom believed and they did the righteous deeds, for themParadise,the river flows from below it, that is the gain, the big one. (Jesus’ Elect upon the Throne)

85.12 Truly your Lord's mighty seizing. (Jesus)

85.13 Truly Him, He originates, and they shall return. (Jesus)

85.14 And He, the Most Protecting One, the Most Loving. (Jesus)

85.15 On the Throne,the glorious. (Jesus on the Throne)

85.16 Doer with full might to what He wishes. (Jesus on the Throne)

85.17 Did the armies’ narrative come to you? (Jesus’ armies of the Elect)

85.18 King and Lamb.(Jesus)

85.19 But whom they disbelieved in belying.(Jesus’ Elect)

85.20 And “allah” frombehind them,one who encompasses. (The false god ‘allah’)

85.21 But it a glorious Collection. (Collected Biblical material in the Koran)

85.22 In a guarded tablet.(Collected Biblical material in the Koran)

Bowman · Nov 13, 2014

More on sura 85...

The Twelve Gates of Heaven

The Book of Revelation describes Heaven as having twelve gates, as thus…

και απηνεγκεν με εν πνευματι επι ορος μεγα και υψηλον και εδειξεν μοι την πολιν την αγιαν ιερουσαλημ καταβαινουσαν εκ του ουρανου απο του θεου εχουσαν την δοξαν του θεου ο φωστηρ αυτης ομοιος λιθω τιμιωτατω ως λιθω ιασπιδι κρυσταλλιζοντι εχουσα τειχος μεγα και υψηλον εχουσα πυλωνας δωδεκα και επι τοις πυλωσιν αγγελους δωδεκα και ονοματα επιγεγραμμενα α εστιν των δωδεκα φυλων υιων ισραηλ απο ανατολης πυλωνες τρεις και απο βορρα πυλωνες τρεις και απο νοτου πυλωνες τρεις και απο δυσμων πυλωνες τρεις

And he carried me in spirit onto a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of Heaven from God, having the glory of God. And its light was like a very precious stone, as a jasper stone, being clear as crystal,having a great and high wall, having twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates and names having been inscribed, which are of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel.From the east, three gates; and from the north, three gates; and from the south, three gates; and from the west, three gates.(Rev 21.10 – 13)

John describes the entrances to the New Jerusalem for the reader.

There are twelve gates of entry into the city, each being named after one of the twelve tribes of Israel.Observe that the gates are facing all directions in groupings of three – clearly indicating that entry is available to all in the form of Father, Son & Spirit.

The gate construction of the Biblical Heaven unmistakably indicates that the ones allowed to enter Paradise are the spiritual descendents of Israel.

Compare to…

والسماء ذات البروج

Waalssama-i thati alburooji

85.1And/by the clouds, Lord of the twelve gates of heaven.

Observing that key term in this ayah…

بروج = “burooji”

“burooji” definition:

Plural noun.Towers of the wall of a city or the like.A sign of the Zodiac.One of theبروج of the heaven; which are twelve in number; every one having a distinct name; the Arabs in ancient times did not know them.The بروج of the wall of a city or fortress are chambers built upon the wall; and such chambers built upon the sides of the angles of a pavilion or palace.Castles; motions of the stars; constellations; mansions of the moon; stars, or asterisms; or the great stars or asterisms or constellations.The gates of heaven.

البروج = “al” + “burooji” =“alburooji” = the twelve gates of heaven

It comes from the root “barija” (ba-ra-jiim), which means it (anything) was, or became, apparent, manifest, or conspicuous, and high, or elevated; applied to a certain kind of structure.A tower, an angle, of a fortress, or a city, and sometimes a fortress itself; so called from its conspicuousness and construction and height; strength; to have good fare, fare well.Such a constitution of the eye that the white entirely surrounds the black, no part of the black being concealed; or width of the eye; or width of the white of the eye, and largeness of the eyeball, and beauty of the black part; or clearness of the white and black parts thereof; or width of the eye, and largeness of the eyeball.Goodly, elegant, or pretty; beautiful of face.Shining, or splendid; conspicuous; and well known

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, p. 180
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 47
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 16
Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, p. 28

Occurrences of “alburooji” in the Koran: 1
Location:85.1

Occurrences of the root “barija” and its 6 derivatives in the Koran:7
Locations:4.78, 15.16, 24.60, 25.61, 33.33(2x), 85.1

Summary of the Twelve Gates of Heaven:

From Revelation:

•John describes the entrances to the New Jerusalem for the reader
•There are twelve gates of entry into the city, each being named after one of the twelve tribes of Israel.Observe that the gates are facing all directions in groupings of three – clearly indicating that entry is available to all in the form of Father, Son & Spirit
•The gate construction of the Biblical Heaven unmistakably indicates that the ones allowed to enter Paradise are the spiritual descendents of Israel

•Heaven contains twelve gates
•Each gate is named after the twelve tribes of Israel (21.10 -13)

Copied into the Koran:

•Heaven contains twelve gates
•Each gate having a distinct name (the Arabs of ancient times did not know them) (85.1)

Bowman · Nov 13, 2014

sura 90...

Sura 90

البلد

“Albaladi”

“The City”

(Named in honor of Jesus’ return with the New Jerusalem)

Sura 90 revolves around Jesus’ Second Coming as declared in the Book of Revelation - as witnessed in the beginning of this chapter in which the Biblical Heaven is sworn by. Paradise in motion. The dwelling of God descending to meet Jesus’ Elect.

As repeated in scores of other Koranic chapters, this sura then splices together verses from the NT with that from the Book of Revelation regarding Jesus’ opening of the seals and His Second coming to redeem His Elect for entrance into Heaven.Contrastingly, the ones who reject Jesus are described as the disbelievers, and their fate is described according to that in the Book of Revelation.

Summary:

90.1 I swear with this, the City. (Swears by the New Jerusalem)

90.2 And you are descending and stopping with this, the City. (Jesus descends with the New Jerusalem)

90.3 And (a) real Father and that which he has begotten. (The Father and the Son)

90.4 Truly we created the human in difficulty. (The Trinity)

90.5 Does he think that He has no power over him? (The Trinity)

90.6 He says: "I destroyed much wealth.” (Jesus’ Second coming)

90.7 Does he think that no one sees him? (Humanity)

90.8 Did we not invoke for him two eyes? (Humanity)

90.9 And a tongue, and two lips? (Humanity)

90.10 And we have shown him the two ways. (Good and evil)

90.11 So did he not embark boldly the succession? (The Four Horsemen)

90.12 And who told you what the succession is? (Question posed to John)

90.13 He watched Him (as) He broke open a seal. (John witnesses Jesus opening one of the Seven Seals)

90.14 Or feeding in a day of famine.(Jesus’ Second coming)

90.15 This orphan relationship.(Jesus’ Second coming)

90.16 Or that poor misery.(Jesus’ Second coming)

90.17 Then was from whom believed and bequeathed one another with the patience, and bequeathed one another with the compassion. (Jesus gathers His Elect)

90.18 Those preserve the people of the right hand that are blessed. (Jesus’ Elect)

90.19 And whom they disbelieved with our verses, those who have lost themselves in evil and are prone to unrighteousness. (The disbelievers)

90.20 A closed over fire on them. (Second Death)

Human · Nov 13, 2014

Bowman said:

Except of course the plethora of overwhelming internet and non-internet evidence, testimony, translation scholarship and resources that disagree with your interpretations. You're literally trying to say the Koran says the opposite of what the Koran says.

Bowman · Nov 13, 2014

Human said:

Come back when you can provide a specific example instead of mindless Islamic blather...

Human · Nov 13, 2014

ApplePie of free-minds and ApplePie7 of ChristianForums, you're the only person on the internet posting this garbage, and every person who speaks to you, particualarly Muslims, disagree with your translations, because they, as I, can see right through you. You're saying Muhammed is Jesus, you're saying Muhammed was not a name. Clearly it was a name!

One reason Muhammed is not Jesus: They lived four hundred years apart.

One reason you're wrong: You don't speak Arabic, so you don't have the authority to contradict a genuine Arab's interpretation of the book. In fact, I've read several of the threads on different sites where you've posted some half-cocked interpretation of the Koran and you get, time and time again, corected by genuine Arabic speakers who clearly falsify your interpretations, and you still persist in continuing, usually with something like:

''You don't even understand your own book, brother. You have nothing''.

There's no reasoning with a denialist.

Bowman · Nov 13, 2014

Human said:

The authors of the Koran state that 'Muhammad' is Jesus....not us...and the term was a participle at the time that the Koran was penned...

You are confusing the Koranic 'Muhammad' with the fictitious Islamic 'Muhammad'.

Colloquial modern Arabic has absolutely nothing in common with the extinct Koranic Arabic.

Keep googling...

Bowman · Nov 13, 2014

Human said:

And then, there are some that agree with me...

Jesus as The Son...

Literal You The Book's people, do not exaggerate/exceed the limit in your religion, and do not say on (about) God except the truth , but the Messiah, Jesus, Mary's son (is) God's messenger and His word/expression He threw it away to Mary, and a Soul/Spirit (could be Gabriel) from Him; so believe with God, and His messengers, and do not say: "Three." Stop (it is) best for you, but God (is) one God, His praise/glory that to be for him a child; for Him what (is) in the skies/space and what (is) in the earth/Planet Earth, enough/sufficient with God (as a) guardian/protector .

Free-Minds O people of the Scripture, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than God's messenger and the fulfillment of His word to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not Say: "Trinity." Cease, for it is better for you. God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the Earth. God is enough as a caretaker.

Arberry People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not, 'Three.' Refrain; better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be to Him -- That He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth; God suffices for a guardian.

Human · Nov 13, 2014

Bowman said:

Aside from the fact that an even primarily educated Arab will have learnt from schooltexts in classical Arabic and not MSA, you really don't know how to speak or translate Arabic. You think that your uneducated translations from your armchair are superior to classically trained, knowledgable scholars who are from the country!!

Catch a grip man.

Bowman · Nov 13, 2014

Human said:

More meritless assertions.

Just sit back and get educated on your Koran.

I mean....its not as if you can defend anything which is presented......all you can do is accuse...

Human · Nov 13, 2014

Bowman said:

How do you explain an error to somebody who refuses to see it, hundreds of times over, even when they've been shown it by people far more authoritative on the subject than they are? You literally refuse to acknowledge the blatant lies you're presenting. The Koran says, explicitly; 'do not say trinity, desist, for it is better for you', and what you've done time and time again is present a verse of the Koran, translated verbatim into English without any grammatical change, and said 'see, the Koran says we should say ''Trinity''!

No, it doesn't.

Sahih International: O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.Pickthall: O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.Yusuf Ali: O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.Shakir: O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only a messenger of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His messengers, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one Allah; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.Muhammad Sarwar: People of the Book, do not exceed the limits of devotion in your religion or say anything about God which is not the Truth. Jesus, son of Mary, is only a Messenger of God, His Word, and a spirit from Him whom He conveyed to Mary. So have faith in God and His Messengers. Do not say that there are three gods. It is better for you to stop believing in the Trinity. There is only One God. He is too glorious to give birth to a son. To God belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. God alone is a Sufficient Guardian for all.Mohsin Khan: O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All*Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.Arberry: People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not, 'Three.' Refrain; better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be to Him -- That He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth; God suffices for a guardian.

Bowman · Nov 13, 2014

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How do you explain an error to somebody who refuses to see it, hundreds of times over, even when they've been shown it by people far more authoritative on the subject than they are? You literally refuse to acknowledge the blatant lies you're presenting. The Koran says, explicitly; 'do not say trinity, desist, for it is better for you', and what you've done time and time again is present a verse of the Koran, translated verbatim into English without any grammatical change, and said 'see, the Koran says we should say ''Trinity''!

No, it doesn't.

Sahih International: O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.Pickthall: O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.Yusuf Ali: O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.Shakir: O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only a messenger of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His messengers, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one Allah; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.Muhammad Sarwar: People of the Book, do not exceed the limits of devotion in your religion or say anything about God which is not the Truth. Jesus, son of Mary, is only a Messenger of God, His Word, and a spirit from Him whom He conveyed to Mary. So have faith in God and His Messengers. Do not say that there are three gods. It is better for you to stop believing in the Trinity. There is only One God. He is too glorious to give birth to a son. To God belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. God alone is a Sufficient Guardian for all.Mohsin Khan: O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All*Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.Arberry: People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not, 'Three.' Refrain; better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be to Him -- That He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth; God suffices for a guardian.

The word 'Trinity' does NOT exist in Koranic Arabic!

So much for your googled garbage....rotflol....!

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