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Eli1 said:
I'm bringing up this topic because i see another topic from ThunderMental, but since that guy can't speak English, i'm continuing here.
The topic in question is : How does the Koran view Jesus?
A quick search reveals that Koran says that Jesus didn't die on the cross but was taken up in the sky directly. Or another version says that he escaped to India (LOL) and another person died in his place.

Now, i mean no offense to Muslims because i'm not here to condemn you to Hell or anything involving Salvation, but your book is the first major conspiracy flat-earth book and i can't follow it logically.

So, everything people saw and everything the historians talked about Jesus dying on the cross is ... an illusion? A hoax?
This is similar to flat-earthers or people who say "we never went to the moon".

So, again, this is not a judgment of where you're going but more like i can't follow your conspiracy-theory logic in the fact of human experience.
You're not being serious basically with this explanation of Jesus so i can't take you seriously.
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your asking how does the Qur'an view Jesus ?

Do you want to know ?

Or do you want to lecture

Which one is it 🤔

Well did you know there are Christian Arabs. I never knew this. I don't even know the first thing about Mohamed or the quoran

But let me ask you an honest question

How do you know whether those Christian Arabs once believed all this you write,

but then changed there minds a long time ago but some didn't. Maybe the origins of Christianity come from the Arabs as much as the Jews

Maybe you should be thankful to the Arabs
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
your asking how does the Qur'an view Jesus ?

Do you want to know ?

Or do you want to lecture

Which one is it 🤔

Well did you know there are Christian Arabs. I never knew this. I don't even know the first thing about Mohamed or the quoran

But let me ask you an honest question

How do you know whether those Christian Arabs once believed all this you write,

but then changed there minds a long time ago but some didn't. Maybe the origins of Christianity come from the Arabs as much as the Jews

Maybe you should be thankful to the Arabs
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Bro, can you English?
 
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Magenta said:
Yes, I posted concerning Islam a fair bit back around 2016, I think...

I had Christians (well, they said they were) calling me a racist because of it.

Imagine that. Calling Islam a race. Besides, I was mostly simply conveying what Islam taught.

Another thing some don't realize is that all originals of the Quran were burned. So we had one fella
coming here telling us that the Quran was uncorrupted unlike the Bible etc, but with no originals,
how would anyone know? They were destroyed due to discrepancies between them.
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I know enough about Islam because half of Albania is Muslim.
In general the religions there get along, but during the early 90s, the Muslims from the north of Albania started desecrating churches and icons.
But in general, they get along.
 
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Eli1 said:
I know enough about Islam because half of Albania is Muslim.
In general the religions there get along, but during the early 90s, the Muslims from the north of Albania started desecrating churches and icons.
But in general, they get along.
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Meanwhile, if you desecrated a mosque or their revered so-called holy book in any way, they would have your head .:censored:
 
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Oh I see we'll I guess this is another fruitful discussion


Looks like I took the bait again
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
Oh I see we'll I guess this is another fruitful discussion

Looks like I took the bait again
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You should stop baiting people with your fatuous comments.
Grammarly and spell check are useful add-ons, and would improve your communications.
If you simply don't care about communicating properly, that is something else.
 
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Magenta said:
You should stop baiting people with your fatuous comments.
Grammarly and spell check are useful add-ons, and would improve your communications.
If you simply don't care about communicating properly, that is something else.
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oh so I get talked about and im the one whose baiting ?

I guess I must be totally stupid
 
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Magenta said:
I was talking to you, as were others...

What have you got against improving your communications?
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I got talked about in this thread in post 314 in a thread I haven't even taken part in, as being just that guy who speaks about Mohamed, which I dont even mention Mohamed ever, and you accuse me of baiting, you want to get your facts straight
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
I got talked about in this thread in post 314 in a thread I haven't even taken part in, as being just that guy who speaks about Mohamed, which I dont even mention Mohamed ever, and you accuse me of baiting, you want to get your facts straight
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I am talking about something else. If you wants facts, the fact is you could greatly improve
your communications here by installing the browser add-ons of grammarly and spell check.
Telling me what others may or may not have done is not my concern.
Though I would not believe it if you told me you do not bait people.
The fact of of that matter is you say a lot of provocative things to others.
Plus, if you are going to talk about Quran, it is inevitable Mo will come up.
 
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Magenta said:
I am talking about something else. If you wants facts, the fact is you could greatly improve
your communications here by installing the browser add-ons of grammarly and spell check.
Telling me what others may or may not have done is not my concern.
Though I would not believe it if you told me you do not bait people.
The fact of of that matter is you say a lot of provocative things to others.
Plus, if you are going to talk about Quran, it is inevitable Mo will come up.
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Talking about the Qur'an can only be talked about if two parties are willing to talk about it.

But to talk about it, you have to learn it or know it.

The people talking about it don't even know it haven't read it. Or haven't spent anytime with Arabs, who tell you what it means.

So how can we talk about if there not willing to learn it.

Not going to happen sorry
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
Talking about the Qur'an can only be talked about if two parties are willing to talk about it.

But to talk about it, you have to learn it or know it.

The people talking about it don't even know it haven't read it. Or haven't spent anytime with Arabs, who tell you what it means.

So how can we talk about if there not willing to learn it.

Not going to happen sorry
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I am quite capable of posting facts about the Quran without specifically talking to another person.
Talking to Muslims about the Quran may not be as profitable as you think, since taqiyya is promoted.
Takiyya: Hiding one's beliefs has been a feature of Islam since its earliest days, and is acknowledged by
Muslims of virtually all persuasions. <= from a general search, not because I don't know what it is, but
because you may not know. In other words, their so-called holy books promote lying. Guess what else
Muslims have told me? Reading the Quran in any other language besides Arabic is pointless. Yeah, that's
what's not going to happen. We had another woman who elevated Islam above Christianity while calling
herself a Christian. She made claims similar to yours, and also said there were no reputable scholars, while
telling us she had studied it. She was all over the place, kind of like how you are.
 
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Magenta said:
I am quite capable of posting facts about the Quran without specifically talking to another person.
Talking to Muslims about the Quran may not be as profitable as you think, since taqiyya is promoted.
Takiyya: Hiding one's beliefs has been a feature of Islam since its earliest days, and is acknowledged by
Muslims of virtually all persuasions. <= from a general search, not because I don't know what it is, but
because you may not know. In other words, their so-called holy books promote lying. Guess what else
Muslims have told me? Reading the Quran in any other language besides Arabic is pointless. Yeah, that's
what's not going to happen. We had another woman who elevated Islam above Christianity while calling
herself a Christian. She made claims similar to yours, and also said there were no reputable scholars, while
telling us she had studied it. She was all over the place, kind of like how you are.
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I dont see any chapters being reference from the Qur'an ever, then being given the chance to be interpreted, all I see is statements.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
I dont see any chapters being reference from the Qur'an ever, then being given the chance to be interpreted, all I see is statements.
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Look harder maybe? I clicked once and found verses.
 
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Eli1 said:
Makes no sense.
This is worse than some atheist logic because the Koran says that it's a conspiracy and most of the atheists don't even say that.
They accept the historical Jesus, but the Koran has done an amazing job in the conspiracy department to confuse the historical Jesus.
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Then there is abrogation, so you need to know what came after something
historically because it changes what was said, or what is now applicable.
 
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Magenta said:
You refuse to deal with facts. If you are conflicted about that, you can do something about it :)

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Islam denies that Jesus is God, and denies that Jesus was crucified and rose again (Quran 4:157; Surah 4:157)? The Koran is the work of one man (at least originally), Mohammed, who confessed to being a false prophet: "I have fabricated things against Allah and have imputed to him words which he has not spoken." (Al Tabari, The History of Al-Tabari, vol. 6, p.111). He also admitted to having mistaken the words of "Satan" (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, pp.165-166) as Allah's. The Bible, on the other hand, is acknowledged to be a cohesive work of the Holy Spirit of God through forty different people over a span of centuries.

Jesus
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." (John 8:7)

Muhammad
Stoned women for adultery. (Muslim 4206)

Jesus
"He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." (Matthew 26:52)

Muhammad
"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no
god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah" (Muslim 1:33)

Jesus
"Thou shalt not steal." (Matthew 19:18)

Muhammad
Permitted stealing from unbelievers. (Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

Jesus
"Thou shalt not bear false witness." (Matthew 19:18)

Muhammad
Takyya = Permitted lying, especially for the sake of the spread of Islam.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)

Jesus
Neither owned nor traded slaves.

Muhammad
Owned and traded slaves. (Sahih Muslim 3901)

Jesus
Beheaded no one. Even healed the Roman centurion whose ear
Peter cut off when they arrested Jesus prior to His crucifixion.

Muhammad
Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys. (Abu Dawud 4390)

Jesus
Preached forgiveness. (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)

Muhammad
Murdered those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

Jesus
"If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:39)

Muhammad
"If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him" (Quran 2:194)

Jesus
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called Sons of God" (Matthew 5:9)

Muhammad
Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold. (Muslim 4645)
In fact, murdering others while self immolating is their only assurance of salvation

Jesus
Was celibate.

Muhammad
Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Quran 33:50) Plus, Mohammed was a serial rapist.

Jesus
Did not have sex with children.

Muhammad
Had sexual intercourse with a 9-year-old child. (Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

Jesus
Never harmed a woman.

Muhammad
Ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)

Jesus
"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." (Matthew 5:5)

Muhammad
"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
(Quran 9:123)

Jesus
Ordered no military campaigns, nor offered any approval of war or violence.

Muhammad
Ordered 65 military campaigns and raids in his last 10 years. (Ibn Ishaq )

Jesus
Never took captives. Never killed anyone.

Muhammad
Killed captives taken in battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451)

Jesus
"The Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve." (Matthew 20:28)

Muhammad
Demanded captured slaves and a fifth of all other loot taken in war. (Quran 8:41)

Jesus
Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.

Muhammad
Was never tortured, but tortured others.

Jesus
"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" (Matthew 5:44)

Muhammad
"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah" (Quran 8:39)

Jesus
Healed a blind man (Mark 8:28)

Muhammad
Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man (al-Tabari 1440)

Jesus
Washed his disciples feet. (John 13:5)

Muhammad
Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit from which he preached Islam. (Bukhari 47:743)

Jesus
What are the Greatest Commandments? "Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself." (Matthew 22:34-40)

Muhammad
What are the Greatest Commandments? "Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause" (Muslim 1:149)

Jesus
Chastised anyone attempting to defend him with force. (John 18:10-12)

Muhammad
Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship (Quran 4:102)

Jesus
"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." (Matthew 5:44)

Muhammad
"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah" (Quran 8:39)

Jesus
Demanded nothing for himself. Lived and died without possessions.

Muhammad
Died fat and wealthy from what was taken from others in war or demanded from others in tribute.

Jesus
Was crucified himself.

Muhammad
Advocated crucifying others. (Quran 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)

Jesus
Gave his life for others. (John 18:11 and elsewhere)

Mahammed had others give their lives for him. (Sahih Muslim 4413)
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well I dont know about all sects of islam, but in this video on the Qur'an today this Muslim claims some Muslims say Jesus is a Messiah.

But I have just watched a different one that said different.

All tho I don't know if you or anyone will be able to watch it.

But anyhow at least I space my sentences out so you can read them better.

And another thing I'm really bothered about Christianity only

 
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