“About The Great Tribulation”
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There are a lot of sites with differing interpretations of the 'rapture' position, and unless they are non-Christians out to cause strife, they are hopefully all well-intentioned and saved. I am a pre-trib thinker mainly bc I don't see our Heavenly Father letting His faithful obedient children go through the nightmarish goings on during the Trib. There will be a multitude that convert over when they realize the rapture was real, thus being the persecuted ones, is the idea. I personally am not going to argue bc this it's not a matter of salvation and seeing Hal Lindsey almost lose it on this very debate was something (him pre-trib side) I always think of when this subject surfaces. However, if I'm wrong and I'm pretty sure I would discern the anti-Christ 'coming out, I will still be a faithful obedient child of my Lord.
When I said "The Pharisee" in response to emekrus, I was referring to the following:
"To some who trusted in their own righteousness and viewed others with contempt, He also told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray. One was a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like the other men—swindlers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and pay tithes of all that I receive.’ "
That's what his post to me resembled.
"To some who trusted in their own righteousness and viewed others with contempt, He also told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray. One was a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like the other men—swindlers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and pay tithes of all that I receive.’ "
That's what his post to me resembled.
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No it's not - here we see Christ labeling the fake Jews:
(Rev 2:9 KJV) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Your other problem is failure to recognise who were the first fruits of the book or Revelation:
(Rev 14:4 KJV) These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
(James 1:1 KJV) James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
(James 1:18 KJV) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Those twelve tribes that James was writing to as first fruits are the first fruits of the book of revelation.
(Rev 2:9 KJV) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Your other problem is failure to recognise who were the first fruits of the book or Revelation:
(Rev 14:4 KJV) These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
(James 1:1 KJV) James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
(James 1:18 KJV) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Those twelve tribes that James was writing to as first fruits are the first fruits of the book of revelation.
Full preterism believes all prophecies were concluded in the days of vengeance in the 1st century AD:
Luke 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.
Jesus stated all that is written would be fulfilled in the days of the generation that heard him:
Luke 21:32 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place.
I just accept what Jesus stated without trying to explain away why ALL things could not have been fulfilled which is what the dispensationalists attempt and miserably fail to do.
The first thing they try to explain away is "this generation" by claiming it is the generation that would witness the events in some supposed future generation 1900 years later and counting.
If that don't convince "you" they try the "generation" means a race switcheroo.
But that don't work because the lexicons point out that "this generation" means his contemporary generation:
2. basically, the sum total of those born at the same time, expanded to include all those living at a given time generation, contemporaries. . . . . . Jesus looks upon the whole contemp. generation of Jews as a uniform mass confronting him hJ g. au{th ( cf. Gen 7:1 ; Ps 11:8 ) Mt 11:16 ; 12:41 f ; 23:36 ; 24:34 ; Mk 13:30 ; Lk 7:31 ; 11:29-32 , 50 f ; 17:25 ; 21:32 (EGraesser, ZNW Beih. 22, 2’60). S. also 1 above.
Luke 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.
Jesus stated all that is written would be fulfilled in the days of the generation that heard him:
Luke 21:32 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place.
I just accept what Jesus stated without trying to explain away why ALL things could not have been fulfilled which is what the dispensationalists attempt and miserably fail to do.
The first thing they try to explain away is "this generation" by claiming it is the generation that would witness the events in some supposed future generation 1900 years later and counting.
If that don't convince "you" they try the "generation" means a race switcheroo.
But that don't work because the lexicons point out that "this generation" means his contemporary generation:
2. basically, the sum total of those born at the same time, expanded to include all those living at a given time generation, contemporaries. . . . . . Jesus looks upon the whole contemp. generation of Jews as a uniform mass confronting him hJ g. au{th ( cf. Gen 7:1 ; Ps 11:8 ) Mt 11:16 ; 12:41 f ; 23:36 ; 24:34 ; Mk 13:30 ; Lk 7:31 ; 11:29-32 , 50 f ; 17:25 ; 21:32 (EGraesser, ZNW Beih. 22, 2’60). S. also 1 above.
Where does the anti-Christ fit in, who is to basically control all nations? Rev 13: 8 says 'And all ll who dwell on the earth will worship the beast....all whose names have not been written in the Lamb;'s Book of Life...'
Where does the anti-Christ fit in? Rev 13:8 'And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast...all those whose names have not been written....in the Lamb's Book of Life...'
Where does the anti-Christ fit in? Rev 13:8 'And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast...all those whose names have not been written....in the Lamb's Book of Life...'
The problem is with "anti-christ" moniker T is that the futurist "theologies" conflate John's statement about "anti-christ" with the man of sin of Thessalonians:
2 Th 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
2 Th 2:6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
2 Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
In the above Paul states that the man of lawlessness/sin was being restrained and that the "mystery of lawlessness" was already at work. This means that the man was alive when Paul wrote to remind the Thessalonians of what he had told them when he was there with them in person.
He was alive THEN, but being restrained and waiting to be "revealed". This clearly places this man in the time of the apostles unless it is believed this geezer has been alive for the last 2000 years and still waiting to be revealed.
As for the actual indentity some preterists believe Nero fit the bill.
2 Th 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
2 Th 2:6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
2 Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
In the above Paul states that the man of lawlessness/sin was being restrained and that the "mystery of lawlessness" was already at work. This means that the man was alive when Paul wrote to remind the Thessalonians of what he had told them when he was there with them in person.
He was alive THEN, but being restrained and waiting to be "revealed". This clearly places this man in the time of the apostles unless it is believed this geezer has been alive for the last 2000 years and still waiting to be revealed.
As for the actual indentity some preterists believe Nero fit the bill.
I'm not a preterist but there's scriptural evidence that resurrection has been occurring continuously since 1st century.
1 Thess 4:13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage one another with these words.
2 Cor 4:
11For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that his life may also be revealed in our mortal body. 12So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.
13It is written: “I believed; therefore I have spoken.” b Since we have that same spirit of c faith, we also believe and therefore speak, 14because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you to himself. 15All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is reaching more and more people may cause thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God.
This was written for a 1st century congregation and there's no way Paul was talking about 21st century and counting. He even once counts himself amongst those that are alive and are caught together with the dead when they arise and once amongst those that die and arise to be caught together with his 1st century listeners in Corinth.
Conclusion: Resurrection is a continuous thing even now.
Time to unlearn the lies you have been fed.
1 Thess 4:13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage one another with these words.
2 Cor 4:
11For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that his life may also be revealed in our mortal body. 12So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.
13It is written: “I believed; therefore I have spoken.” b Since we have that same spirit of c faith, we also believe and therefore speak, 14because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you to himself. 15All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is reaching more and more people may cause thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God.
This was written for a 1st century congregation and there's no way Paul was talking about 21st century and counting. He even once counts himself amongst those that are alive and are caught together with the dead when they arise and once amongst those that die and arise to be caught together with his 1st century listeners in Corinth.
Conclusion: Resurrection is a continuous thing even now.
Time to unlearn the lies you have been fed.