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It means what it says, that all are permissible. Just not profitable. One man can smoke crack and go to work as if he's drug free. Bills paid on time, money when his family needs it, no visible appearance of smoking. Another may smoke and lose all his possessions and his family from it. To one it was profitable, to the other it's not but it was lawful to both.
If I wanted to I can go on a killing spree, but I know the consequences of my actions will profit me none because of what goes along with it.
If I wanted to I can go on a killing spree, but I know the consequences of my actions will profit me none because of what goes along with it.
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justamazed, THAT IS NOT SCRIPTURAL.
You can NOT go on a killing spree and think its alright.
Anyone with the HOLY SPIRIT guiding them would know that is WRONG and a misuse of that verse.
tearose, lets look at the verse in context and see what its referring to......
Its talking about eating with Gentiles and foods that are not Kosher and that may have been offered to idols. If you do it out of ignorance by accepting a meal with someone, then its is allowed. However, if you know it was offered to an idol you refuse the food. not because the food itself has any power but because of those who watch you and might mistakenly believe you are worshiping that false god.
{not sure if that made any sense}
One thing that is very clear is:
that verse is specifically concerning FOOD, NOT murdering sprees.
You can NOT go on a killing spree and think its alright.
Anyone with the HOLY SPIRIT guiding them would know that is WRONG and a misuse of that verse.
tearose, lets look at the verse in context and see what its referring to......
Its talking about eating with Gentiles and foods that are not Kosher and that may have been offered to idols. If you do it out of ignorance by accepting a meal with someone, then its is allowed. However, if you know it was offered to an idol you refuse the food. not because the food itself has any power but because of those who watch you and might mistakenly believe you are worshiping that false god.
{not sure if that made any sense}
One thing that is very clear is:
that verse is specifically concerning FOOD, NOT murdering sprees.
Man does not live on bread alone but by the word of God.
I didn't say that I would but that I could. And of course I will suffer in the flesh for it if I choose that.
It's not hard. If I choose not to eat, I starve. If I don't wash my body, I'll begin to stink. If I don't brush my teeth, they may fall out.
No matter what though, it's ones choice.
I didn't say that I would but that I could. And of course I will suffer in the flesh for it if I choose that.
It's not hard. If I choose not to eat, I starve. If I don't wash my body, I'll begin to stink. If I don't brush my teeth, they may fall out.
No matter what though, it's ones choice.
C
It is easy to take scripture out of context, when we single out a verse this way.
If we read the verses that follow this one, it is clear that Paul was speaking of meat that was sacrificed to idols.
It is OK to eat the meat if you don't know where it comes from. It's like a don't ask don't tell thing.
If we read the verses that follow this one, it is clear that Paul was speaking of meat that was sacrificed to idols.
It is OK to eat the meat if you don't know where it comes from. It's like a don't ask don't tell thing.
I believe the thought is that we are free from the law. Because we are guided by the Holy Spirit who teaches and shows us God's way. Paul also said " shall we sin that grace may abound, God forbid." Much like the Apostle's, when Judas killed himself the cast lots for his replacement. Now we rely on faith in the cross that allows the Holy Spirit to produce in us good fruit or works.
I agree that bible verses should be taken into context. Everything belongs to the Lord, because the earth is his and the fullness thereof. Are idols real? No, we know they are really offering up to demons. But you are not to think of yourself but always of others. So if it will cause your brother to stumble, then don't eat.
Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
The real reason men worshipped Idols is so they could do what they wanted to do. They knew that some dude cut down a tree and carved it into an image. Much like today we seek out churches that say what your doing is okay as long as you come and tithe to this church and no other. Americans have probably offered more children to self worship, than any OT person has to baal or moloch.
Peace be with you, reading scriptures before and 1 Corinthians 10; 23-33 together talks about believers not to be a trouble maker regarding food matters shared with the Gentiles and Christians. This is talking a freedom through and in CHRIST that allow us to do whatever we want. But will this freedom effect others or benefits others who mutually saved or unsaved. This freedom can also either turn us to goats or sheeps. The Apostle Paul talks about good conducts pleasing others in love so that they too may be saved (1 Corinthians 10;33).
Chapter 10 talks about idol worshipers and food offered to idols, believers sitting at the table of demons and also then sitting at the table of the LORD. A Christian must be scripturally conscious because in the flesh things can get out of hand. We must know what pleases and displeases GOD the FATHER as children. Do good in a manner that others may be save too, while you sit with them in fellowship. But do not practice what they practice as idol worshipers but as a set apart child behave in honor to the LORD so others may see and be amazed.
In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, may GOD the FATHER bless the readers with kindness, peace and spiritual discernment. To I AM that I AM is always All Honor, All Praise and All Glory forever and ever, Amen.
Chapter 10 talks about idol worshipers and food offered to idols, believers sitting at the table of demons and also then sitting at the table of the LORD. A Christian must be scripturally conscious because in the flesh things can get out of hand. We must know what pleases and displeases GOD the FATHER as children. Do good in a manner that others may be save too, while you sit with them in fellowship. But do not practice what they practice as idol worshipers but as a set apart child behave in honor to the LORD so others may see and be amazed.
In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, may GOD the FATHER bless the readers with kindness, peace and spiritual discernment. To I AM that I AM is always All Honor, All Praise and All Glory forever and ever, Amen.
If this truth is understood to mean to we are not to be instructed by the law, then we would have to believe that God would contradict God. All scripture is truth, all must be listened to. God talks often of the need to obey. We are not under death from disobeying law because we have forgiveness through Christ, we aren't under law that way. We are to be obedient to law.
" Being guided by the Holy Spirit is not saying that we always, every minute, follow that guide.
The Holy Spirit guides, it does not produce the good fruit.
Paul obviously did not meant at, 1 Corinthians 10:23, that it is lawful to do things that God’s Word expressly condemns. Compared to the some 600 laws given to ancient Israel, there are comparatively few explicit commands regulating Christian life. Hence, many matters are left to individual conscience. A person who has made a dedication to Jehovah enjoys the freedom that results from guidance by God’s spirit. Having made the truth his own, a Christian follows his Bible-trained conscience and relies on God’s direction by holy spirit. This helps the dedicated Christian to determine what will “build up” and be “advantageous” for himself and others. He realizes that the decisions he makes will affect his personal relationship with God, to whom he is dedicated.
As for an example, your conscience may allow you to enjoy a certain form of entertainment that you view as “lawful,” or acceptable. However, if you notice that other believers with a more restrictive conscience find it objectionable, you may decide not to pursue it. This is because you do not want to “sin against your brothers”-or even be “sinning against Christ,” as Paul stated-by making it more difficult for your fellow believers to maintain faithfulness to God. You take to heart the admonition: “Keep from becoming causes for stumbling.” (1 Corinthians 8:12; 10:32) True Christians today heed Paul’s considerate and perceptive counsel by avoiding entertainment that may be “lawful” but does not “build up.”-Romans 14:1; 15:1.
There is, though, another side to the matter of seeking the advantage of others. A Christian with a more restrictive conscience should not insist that all in the Christian congregation conform to a narrorer view on what is proper entertainment. If that one were to do so, he/she would be like a driver on a highway who insists that all other drivers using the same road hold to the same speed that they prefers. Such a demand would not be reasonable. Out of Christian love, someone with a more confining conscience needs to respect fellow believers whose views on entertainment differ somewhat from their own but are still within the bounds of Christian principles. That way, they lets their “reasonableness become known to all men.”-Philippians 4:5; Ecclesiastes 7:16.
As for an example, your conscience may allow you to enjoy a certain form of entertainment that you view as “lawful,” or acceptable. However, if you notice that other believers with a more restrictive conscience find it objectionable, you may decide not to pursue it. This is because you do not want to “sin against your brothers”-or even be “sinning against Christ,” as Paul stated-by making it more difficult for your fellow believers to maintain faithfulness to God. You take to heart the admonition: “Keep from becoming causes for stumbling.” (1 Corinthians 8:12; 10:32) True Christians today heed Paul’s considerate and perceptive counsel by avoiding entertainment that may be “lawful” but does not “build up.”-Romans 14:1; 15:1.
There is, though, another side to the matter of seeking the advantage of others. A Christian with a more restrictive conscience should not insist that all in the Christian congregation conform to a narrorer view on what is proper entertainment. If that one were to do so, he/she would be like a driver on a highway who insists that all other drivers using the same road hold to the same speed that they prefers. Such a demand would not be reasonable. Out of Christian love, someone with a more confining conscience needs to respect fellow believers whose views on entertainment differ somewhat from their own but are still within the bounds of Christian principles. That way, they lets their “reasonableness become known to all men.”-Philippians 4:5; Ecclesiastes 7:16.
I am trying to imagine a Holy Spirit that is not guiding but ordering. I wish it had been around that day I lost my temper. I had spent the morning in prayer, I had studied bible that morning, my entire desire that day was to be in tune with the Lord, and that temper was not in tune.
I think the idea that we can know what God wants of us without learning what God wants of us just isn't going to work.
I remember groups of hippies who followed love, and their idea of love was not God's definition of it.
These ideas come from not reading scripture. I can just hear "we are under the new covenant, all the principles that God tells us about in the OT doesn't work any more, God has changed". The idea that all scripture is truth, and if we see some as not fitting into what we want that truth to be, then we can use that verse about the the old passed away, and forget the one about that Christ said not a single bit of the law passed away. But saying such as you need not be led by written law, but only what you have in your mind with absolue confidence you only think thoughts that the Holy Spirit gives you without your even studying God, just isn't going to cut it.
Your thinking has all the earmarks of a person with only NT knowledge. That testament is so very important to us, it gives us the new covenant. The OT only gives the foundation of God principles the new is based on. But without knowing these, there is a noticable hole in understanding.
I think the idea that we can know what God wants of us without learning what God wants of us just isn't going to work.
I remember groups of hippies who followed love, and their idea of love was not God's definition of it.
These ideas come from not reading scripture. I can just hear "we are under the new covenant, all the principles that God tells us about in the OT doesn't work any more, God has changed". The idea that all scripture is truth, and if we see some as not fitting into what we want that truth to be, then we can use that verse about the the old passed away, and forget the one about that Christ said not a single bit of the law passed away. But saying such as you need not be led by written law, but only what you have in your mind with absolue confidence you only think thoughts that the Holy Spirit gives you without your even studying God, just isn't going to cut it.
Your thinking has all the earmarks of a person with only NT knowledge. That testament is so very important to us, it gives us the new covenant. The OT only gives the foundation of God principles the new is based on. But without knowing these, there is a noticable hole in understanding.
If you notice it is in quotes. This was a common saying among the Corinthian elite of the day. The quotation was from Plato and the Corinthian people quoted it when they wanted to say that immorality was permissible.
Paul of course set them straight.
"Everything is permissible for me—but not everything is beneficial" (Plato, quoted by Paul.)
1 Corinthians 6:12
Paul of course set them straight.
"Everything is permissible for me—but not everything is beneficial" (Plato, quoted by Paul.)
1 Corinthians 6:12