1 Peter 3:19

[krisbrian]

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Who do you believe these spirits are?

Some say the Angels that came to earth in Genesis 6

Some say the people in the good part of Hades (paradise) that Jesus set free when he died.

Some say the people in the bad part of Hades that Jesus gave a "second chance" too.

What do you say?

 

[enochson]

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Who do you believe these spirits are?

Some say the Angels that came to earth in Genesis 6

Some say the people in the good part of Hades (paradise) that Jesus set free when he died.

Some say the people in the bad part of Hades that Jesus gave a "second chance" too.

What do you say?

Ps. 68;18 those in sheol the grave or what the bible trnaslater called hell which is wrong.

 

[Laodicea]

Prison house of sin
2 Peter 2:19
(19) While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
Romans 7:14
(14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Jesus freed people
John 8:32-36
(32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
(33) They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
(34) Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
(35) And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
(36) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jesus through Noah preached before the flood to those in the prison house of sin
2 Peter 2:5
(5) And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
Hebrews 11:7
(7) By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Genesis 6:3
(3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

'Spirits in prison' are not disembodied spirits
Hebrews 12:9
(9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Hebrews 12:23
(23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Numbers 16:22
(22) And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?
Numbers 27:16
(16) Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation,

These texts are a reference to people alive on this earth

 

[krisbrian]

'Spirits in prison' are not disembodied spirits
Hebrews 12:9
(9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Hebrews 12:23
(23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Numbers 16:22
(22) And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?
Numbers 27:16
(16) Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation,

These texts are a reference to people alive on this earth

It appears this happened during Christ death though.

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

 

[Laodicea]

It appears this happened during Christ death though.

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Notice it says quickened (made alive) by the Spirit, by which (the Spirit) He also went and preached. Jesus through the Spirit preached unto the spirits in prison in Noah's time.
Genesis 6:3
(3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
2 Peter 2:5
(5) And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

 

[krisbrian]

Notice it says quickened (made alive) by the Spirit, by which (the Spirit) He also went and preached. Jesus through the Spirit preached unto the spirits in prison in Noah's time.
Genesis 6:3
(3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
2 Peter 2:5
(5) And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

But this word "preach" can be "proclaim".

ESV "in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison,"

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

So who ever these "spirits" are that are in prison....it appears they were set free. That couldnt be the case if it is simply Jesus preaching through Noah back in the days of the flood because they were not set free.

 

[Laodicea]

Psalms 77:3
(3) I remembered God, and was troubled: I complained, and my spirit was overwhelmed. Selah.
Psalms 142:3
(3) When my spirit was overwhelmed within me, then thou knewest my path. In the way wherein I walked have they privily laid a snare for me.
Romans 1:9
(9) For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

Prison house of sin
2 Peter 2:19
(19) While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
Romans 7:14
(14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Jesus freed people
John 8:32-36
(32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
(33) They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
(34) Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
(35) And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
(36) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

 

[Trax]

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Who do you believe these spirits are?

Some say the Angels that came to earth in Genesis 6

Angels don't have a savings plan.

 

[Grandpa]

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Who do you believe these spirits are?

Some say the Angels that came to earth in Genesis 6

Some say the people in the good part of Hades (paradise) that Jesus set free when he died.

Some say the people in the bad part of Hades that Jesus gave a "second chance" too.

What do you say?

These spirits are us. We are in captivity to sin until the Lord Jesus saves us from it.

 

[shroom2]

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Who do you believe these spirits are?

These spirits are us. We are in captivity to sin until the Lord Jesus saves us from it.

Grandpa, sometimes you seem to pull your doctrine out of thin air. Those spirits are NOT us.

"By which" is referring to the resurrected body Jesus had when he got up from the dead. In this body he preached (notice the past tense) to the spirits in prison. We did not exist yet. Who are the spirits in prison?

1 Pet 3:20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

They are the devil spirits that caused the almost total corruption of the human race, such that:

Gen 6:5) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

 

[Laodicea]

Grandpa, sometimes you seem to pull your doctrine out of thin air. Those spirits are NOT us.

"By which" is referring to the resurrected body Jesus had when he got up from the dead. In this body he preached (notice the past tense) to the spirits in prison. We did not exist yet. Who are the spirits in prison?

1 Pet 3:20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

They are the devil spirits that caused the almost total corruption of the human race, such that:

Gen 6:5) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

By which is talking about the Holy Spirit
1 Peter 3:18-19
(18) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
(19) By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Genesis 6:3
(3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

 

[loveme1]

We are set free and await collection

Prisoners who were told they were going home soon, on a pardon... guilty, but redeemed by grace.

Almighty Yahweh God is collecting his people, we are married to Yeshua our Saviour. The Wedding is yet to come.

The rest who do not accept, will be judged and the price of sin is death.

Jesus( Yeshua ) said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God. 61And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house. 62And (Yeshua)Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

 

[Grandpa]

Grandpa, sometimes you seem to pull your doctrine out of thin air. Those spirits are NOT us.

"By which" is referring to the resurrected body Jesus had when he got up from the dead. In this body he preached (notice the past tense) to the spirits in prison. We did not exist yet. Who are the spirits in prison?

1 Pet 3:20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

They are the devil spirits that caused the almost total corruption of the human race, such that:

Gen 6:5) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

We didn't exist in 33AD but He never stopped setting the captives free.

We exist now. We were born in captivity, just like everyone before us.

The Lord Jesus still preaches to the captives. The Lord Jesus still sets captives free. He set me free.

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

 

[krisbrian]

I'm interested in hearing more views from people on this verse because honestly, I see flaws and strengths in every view I have heard regarding this verse. There are so many different ways you can look it.

 

[loveme1]

I am not sure the word prison is referring to a prison, but representing the spirit being trapped by the sinful nature in flesh.

 

[krisbrian]

This would seem to support the idea that the spirits in prison were angels.

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

G4151
πνεῦμα
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

However, if and only if 1 Peter 3:19 is related to Isaiah 61:1, then it wouldn't make any sense because I cant imagine Jesus would set these angels free.

 

[AnandaHya]

This would seem to support the idea that the spirits in prison were angels.

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

G4151
πνεῦμα
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

However, if and only if 1 Peter 3:19 is related to Isaiah 61:1, then it wouldn't make any sense because I cant imagine Jesus would set these angels free.

I don't see how those verses would make you think it refers to angels because they say that the angels would be placed in chains until judgement day. which has not happened and will not happen until the fulfillment of Revelation 20 when death and Hades will be cast into the lake of Fire and the second death happens.

In truth I wonder about those passages too. perhaps more of the chapter in context will help?

1 Peter 3
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us[e] to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited[f] in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

If read in context it talks about it being an "antitype which now saves us" and them mentions baptism.

What is an "antitype"? I believe the answer would be the flood. Now let us unpack the verses.

We know that during the flood only a few were saved and that God did not flood the earth but was patient until the ark was ready and I believe that NOW God is patient as His Gospel is being preached to the people of world who is imprisoned by their sins before He judges the world by fire and destroys it as revealed in Revelation.

Why do I believe the spirits in prison is humanity today and not dead spirits?

Because of these verses:

Luke 13:15-17
New King James Version (NKJV)
15 The Lord then answered him and said, “Hypocrite![a] Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it? 16 So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?” 17 And when He said these things, all His adversaries were put to shame; and all the multitude rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by Him.

Luke 4:18
“The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed;

2 Timothy 2:25-26
New King James Version (NKJV)
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.



also these verses. Some believe the lower parts of the earth refers to the grave or Sheol but I believe it refers to any place below Heaven which is where Jesus descended from.

Ephesians 4:7-10
New King James Version (NKJV)

7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore He says:

“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”[a]
9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

oh here's a definition of antitype in case anyone needs one:

'an·ti·type (nt-tp)
n.
1. One that is foreshadowed by or identified with an earlier symbol or type, such as a figure in the New Testament who has a counterpart in the Old Testament.
2. An opposite or contrasting type."

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/antitype

 

[krisbrian]

I don't see how those verses would make you think it refers to angels because they say that the angels would be placed in chains until judgement day. which has not happened and will not happen until the fulfillment of Revelation 20 when death and Hades will be cast into the lake of Fire and the second death happens.

In truth I wonder about those passages too. perhaps more of the chapter in context will help?



If read in context it talks about it being an "antitype which now saves us" and them mentions baptism.

What is an "antitype"? I believe the answer would be the flood. Now let us unpack the verses.

We know that during the flood only a few were saved and that God did not flood the earth but was patient until the ark was ready and I believe that NOW God is patient as His Gospel is being preached to the people of world who is imprisoned by their sins before He judges the world by fire and destroys it as revealed in Revelation.

Why do I believe the spirits in prison is humanity today and not dead spirits?

Because of these verses:

Luke 13:15-17
New King James Version (NKJV)
15 The Lord then answered him and said, “Hypocrite![a] Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it? 16 So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?” 17 And when He said these things, all His adversaries were put to shame; and all the multitude rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by Him.

Luke 4:18
“The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed;

2 Timothy 2:25-26
New King James Version (NKJV)
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.



also these verses. Some believe the lower parts of the earth refers to the grave or Sheol but I believe it refers to any place below Heaven which is where Jesus descended from.

Ephesians 4:7-10
New King James Version (NKJV)

7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore He says:

“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”[a]
9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

oh here's a definition of antitype in case anyone needs one:

'an·ti·type (nt-tp)
n.
1. One that is foreshadowed by or identified with an earlier symbol or type, such as a figure in the New Testament who has a counterpart in the Old Testament.
2. An opposite or contrasting type."

antitype - definition of antitype by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

I could easily believe this but it has a flaw....if I understand correctly, the word spirit or pneuma is rarely ever used to describe humans that are alive. Yes, we have a spirit but it is rare that living humans are described AS a spirit.

 

[AnandaHya]

I could easily believe this but it has a flaw....if I understand correctly, the word spirit or pneuma is rarely ever used to describe humans that are alive. Yes, we have a spirit but it is rare that living humans are described AS a spirit.

mmm lets examine it
To the spirits (πνεύμασι&#957

1 Peter 3:19 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison

As in Hebrews 12:23,

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

so according to this source the same used to describe "spirits" in 1 Peter 3 : 19 is found in Hebrews 12: 23

We can see by examining the surrounding verse that spirits do NOT refer to angels but to the "spirits of just men made perfect" who were made that way by Jesus who is the "mediator of the new covenant"

 

[AnandaHya]

however I'll research it more...

I get this:

Greek Concordance: ????????? (pneumasin) -- 2 Occurrences

πνεύμασιν (pneumasin) — 2 Occurrences
Luke 4:36 N-DNP
BIB: τοῖς ἀκαθάρτοις πνεύμασιν, καὶ ἐξέρχονται;
NAS: the unclean spirits and they come
KJV: the unclean spirits, and
INT: the unclean spirits, and they come out?

1 Peter 3:19 N-DNP
BIB: ἐν φυλακῇ πνεύμασιν πορευθεὶς ἐκήρυξεν,
NAS: and made proclamation to the spirits [now] in prison,
KJV: and preached unto the spirits in
INT: in prison spirits having made his way he preached,