We will be resurrected bodily one day in the likeness of Christ.

[Jason0047]

Right now believing Gentiles are spiritual Jews, Israelites, or Hebrews (See Galatians 3:16 about the "Promised Seed" and Galatians 3:29 about how we are heirs of the seed of Abraham in Christ Jesus).

Anyways, in the bodily resurrection (See Revelation 20), certain believers will rise physically from the grave before the Millennium and certain believers will rise bodily after the Millennium for the Eternal New Earth. Both those living during the Millennium and those living after during the Eternal New Earth will be made up of believing Jews and Gentiles thru out all of time. However, seeing we will be resurrected by the flesh of Jesus Christ and seeing Jesus is a Hebrew (Jew) (or Israelite) physically, we will have a physical body like Jesus Christ and be a Hebrew, Jew, or Israelite like Him, too. Yes, Jesus is born of Adam, but Jesus is also a Hebrew (of the seed of Abram). We will be resurrected in the likeness of Christ's resurrection and have the same flesh as Christ does. Jesus is physically of Hebrew descent; And the Scriptures essentially say that Christ is the first fruits of the resurrection. Meaning, Christ is the first of many that will follow after him (And his likeness).

 

[ThomistColin]

What nonsense is this? I am not a Jew. We are not Jews, and there is nothing bodily or biologically that makes them superior. Adam and Eve were not Jews, neither was Noah.

You would do well to remember that Christ is descended of a whore named Rahab, who was not a Jew, and descended of a Midianite girl named Ruth, also not a Jew.

 

[kaylagrl]

What nonsense is this? I am not a Jew. We are not Jews, and there is nothing bodily or biologically that makes them superior. Adam and Eve were not Jews, neither was Noah.

You would do well to remember that Christ is descended of a whore named Rahab, who was not a Jew, and descended of a Midianite girl named Ruth, also not a Jew.

Jews are Gods chosen people though...

 

[ELECT]

It is called the Hebrew race spiritually with one pure language Spiritual Israel

[h=1]Romans 2:28-29King James Version (KJV)[/h]28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[ThomistColin]

Jews are Gods chosen people though...

We would do well to remember that God doesn't see race. Shall we now have a Master Race? Anyone can remember what happened to the last man to put forward this idea. Chosen as a people yes. And they rejected Christ. They are still beloved by God, and His loving hand is still with them, but He does not place them higher than you or me simply because they are Jews and we are not. We are the Beloved Bride of Christ, the Body of Christ. Let us not start spouting ideas about how God will resurrect us as Jews.

 

[FaithfulLadybug]

Right now believing Gentiles are spiritual Jews, Israelites, or Hebrews (See Galatians 3:16 about the "Promised Seed" and Galatians 3:29 about how we are heirs of the seed of Abraham in Christ Jesus).

So true!

Jews have been hated through history (even before the birth of Christ). Why? Because they bowed and bent to God (not all that great, but still, more than any other nation). That is what was hated in them. Their adherance and reverence to The One God. Even if the reason was not publically declared. What was hated in them is that they put God above themselves, whereas men wanted to top it all.

Christians are no different because we too believe in The One God. Thererfore, as Jason0047 quoted, those who are in Christ are also part of God's chosen. It is a spiritual/heart stance. Not a birthright.

The Kabbalah states (the original, not the watered down Hollywood version so popular today) that when Messiah comes (the second coming of Christ) there will be laughter. Not laughter of joy, but laughter of a comical, humorous sort. Why? Because there will be big surprises as to who is actually 'chosen/jews'. That many jews of that day will find out they are not jews after all. And many gentiles will find that they are (jews/chosen). Ha, ha

Why do I bring up the Kabbalah? Because if anyone's studied it will see that all of Jesus's teachings are straight from there... well because the truth is the truth is the truth, given by God. Period.

Just sharing...

 

[Blain]

What nonsense is this? I am not a Jew. We are not Jews, and there is nothing bodily or biologically that makes them superior. Adam and Eve were not Jews, neither was Noah.

You would do well to remember that Christ is descended of a whore named Rahab, who was not a Jew, and descended of a Midianite girl named Ruth, also not a Jew.

Why are you so offended? and why bring up that Christ was decended of a - well im not going to say that word but of Rahab? What on earth does that have anything to do with us not being Jews?

 

[ThomistColin]

Why are you so offended? and why bring up that Christ was decended of a - well im not going to say that word but of Rahab? What on earth does that have anything to do with us not being Jews?

The point is the idea of being resurrected of a "purer" race is offensive to me. I was born of German, Scottish, and Irish descent, I do not agree that such of my person be wiped away in a moment and suddenly I'm Hebrew. That's why I'm offended, it inherently places one race above another.

As for Rahab and Ruth, they are to show that God does not play favorites with races. His own son was not of a "pure" Hebrew line. In fact, Jesus is not of a "pure" Hebrew line without scandal (descended of Bethsheba and David's second son, Solomon) or racially (Rahab and Ruth).

 

[ChristIsGod]

The point is the idea of being resurrected of a "purer" race is offensive to me. I was born of German, Scottish, and Irish descent, I do not agree that such of my person be wiped away in a moment and suddenly I'm Hebrew. That's why I'm offended, it inherently places one race above another.

As for Rahab and Ruth, they are to show that God does not play favorites with races. His own son was not of a "pure" Hebrew line. In fact, Jesus is not of a "pure" Hebrew line without scandal (descended of Bethsheba and David's second son, Solomon) or racially (Rahab and Ruth).

'Jesus' is called "the son of David" 15 times in the N.T... here's the first time ...

Matt 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

 

[ChristIsGod]

These verses are important, whether we've ever regarded them or not ...

Gal_3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

We are grafted into "their, the good, the natural olive tree - grafted in contrary to nature'' --- not the other way around. We [the Gentiles] are from the "wild" olive tree and through the faith of Abraham and all since [Hebrews 11] - we are grafted into what is called 'their' olive tree.

I only post that because of the warnings against "boasting against them".

 

[Jason0047]

So true!

Jews have been hated through history (even before the birth of Christ). Why? Because they bowed and bent to God (not all that great, but still, more than any other nation). That is what was hated in them. Their adherance and reverence to The One God. Even if the reason was not publically declared. What was hated in them is that they put God above themselves, whereas men wanted to top it all.

Christians are no different because we too believe in The One God. Thererfore, as Jason0047 quoted, those who are in Christ are also part of God's chosen. It is a spiritual/heart stance. Not a birthright.

The Kabbalah states (the original, not the watered down Hollywood version so popular today) that when Messiah comes (the second coming of Christ) there will be laughter. Not laughter of joy, but laughter of a comical, humorous sort. Why? Because there will be big surprises as to who is actually 'chosen/jews'. That many jews of that day will find out they are not jews after all. And many gentiles will find that they are (jews/chosen). Ha, ha

Why do I bring up the Kabbalah? Because if anyone's studied it will see that all of Jesus's teachings are straight from there... well because the truth is the truth is the truth, given by God. Period.

Just sharing...

Sorry, while we might agree on this truth of this thread, I think it is wrong to believe in the Kabbalah, which is Jewish mysticism. Only the Holy Scriptures should be one's teachings, my friend.

 

[Jason0047]

First, some believe there is no bodily resurrection. But Paul warns about those who deny such a thing.

Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. (1 Corinthians 15:12-17).

 

[ChristIsGod]

Sorry, while we might agree on this truth of this thread, I think it is wrong to believe in the Kabbalah, which is Jewish mysticism. Only the Holy Scriptures should be one's teachings, my friend.

I have to agree, dear Sister. I had some very dear Messianic friends with two beautiful young daughters that Loved 'Jesus' with all of their heart, but when the mother got into Kabbalah, little by little, her & her husband threw 'Jesus' out of their house and out of their daughters lives. I've seen this happens to others, but I didn't know those others -- but I cried when the husband 'proudly' announced this to me when he left my home and have prayed for those children of theirs ever since.

The LORD bless you & keep you.

 

[Jason0047]

Second, I believe we as believers (Who are Gentiles) will be resurrected in the likeness of Christ and we will live with Him.

"For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:" (Romans 6:5).

"Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him." (Romans 6:8-9).​

Also, Christ is the firstfruits of the resurrection (Even of those who have slept, i.e. those believing souls in the after life).

"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept." (1 Corinthians 15:20).​

Since by one man came death and by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

"For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead." (1 Corinthians 15:21).​

In other words, because of one man named, Adam, there was sin in the garden, and therefore: sin and death was passed down to all men who has ever lived whereby they would need a Savior; And because of one man named, Jesus Christ, there would be an opportunity to have a new physically resurrected life in Him one day.

For in Adam all die, and even so IN Christ shall all be made ALIVE.

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." (1 Corinthians 15:22-23).​

For every man in his own order.

#1. Christ is the firstfruits of the Resurrection.
#2. And it is by Christ's Resurrection we will be able to take part in the firstfruits after Christ's (2nd) coming.

I mean, think about it. The "Promise" given to Abraham is that he would have descendants that would be as innumerable as the stars. This "Promise" would be fulfilled in the "Promised Seed" (i.e. Jesus Christ). How can Abraham have descendants as innumerable as the stars if they are resurrected as Gentiles? Abraham is not a Gentile. But Jesus Christ (Who is the "Promised Seed" in the line of Abraham is a Hebrew like Abraham because they are of the same blood line).

 

[FaithfulLadybug]

Sorry, while we might agree on this truth of this thread, I think it is wrong to believe in the Kabbalah, which is Jewish mysticism. Only the Holy Scriptures should be one's teachings, my friend.

Sure, we can agree and then we can agree to disagree. But please don't misunderstand, by no way am I suggesting studying or believing anything other than what's in the Bible, what God tells us and what Jesus taught/teaches us. I guess I was just sharing something I found interesting. But... if you kindly indulge me, I'm going to clarify, to assure my intent's better understood.

Yes, Kabbalah is Jewish mysticism. But it holds many truths. And some of those truths/teachings are the same truths/teachings that are Jesus's teaching/truths and His parables. That's why I brought it up. I'm not suggesting that people or Christians should run and study the Kabbalah. But there are those that have studied it... some Messianic Jews, and/or some whose path has led them to one place before another place. Or veered them away from one place, only to bring them back to that same place (Jesus, naturally).

So I brought it up to share that interesting statement about the 'time of laughter'. Which makes kind of sense. Or at least I think so. Therefore I shared since the discussion's about Jews, Gentiles and who is who, or who will be who and what.

That's all.

 

[FaithfulLadybug]

I have to agree, dear Sister. I had some very dear Messianic friends with two beautiful young daughters that Loved 'Jesus' with all of their heart, but when the mother got into Kabbalah, little by little, her & her husband threw 'Jesus' out of their house and out of their daughters lives. I've seen this happens to others, but I didn't know those others -- but I cried when the husband 'proudly' announced this to me when he left my home and have prayed for those children of theirs ever since.

The LORD bless you & keep you.

That is a very very sad story indeed. I pray that they again find Christ. Actually, I kind of was referring to it in the opposite way around. Where it/Kabbalah will lead one to Christ... which it actually should, in my opinion. But again, I am NOT suggesting that anyone should go and explore there... please read my reply to Jason. I hope that my clarification showed you more where I'm coming from. Maybe I didn't express myself clearer previously (sorry). Hope I did now.

Blessings to you also, my sibling in Christ.

 

[Jason0047]

I have to agree, dear Sister.

Maybe you wrote it by mistake. But I prefer you calling me brother. I am a white male (Who is engaged to a female) and my name is actually Jason (Which is a male name).

I had some very dear Messianic friends with two beautiful young daughters that Loved 'Jesus' with all of their heart, but when the mother got into Kabbalah, little by little, her & her husband threw 'Jesus' out of their house and out of their daughters lives. I've seen this happens to others, but I didn't know those others -- but I cried when the husband 'proudly' announced this to me when he left my home and have prayed for those children of theirs ever since.

The LORD bless you & keep you.

Thank you for sharing that story. It is good to know. For in every false relgiion, people will always find a replacement of some kind for the real Jesus Christ. Roman Catholicism replaces Jesus as mediator by praying to Mary so that Mary can pray to Jesus for you. Why take the risk? Why not just pray to Jesus directly? Because they don't want the real Jesus. Then there are other false religions that just change the nature of who Jesus Christ is (Whereby they attack His deity or eternal nature as God).

 

[ChristIsGod]

Maybe you wrote it by mistake. But I prefer you calling me brother. I am a white male (Who is engaged to a female) and my name is actually Jason (Which is a male name).



Thank you for sharing that story. It is good to know. For in every false relgiion, people will always find a replacement of some kind for the real Jesus Christ. Roman Catholicism replaces Jesus as mediator by praying to Mary so that Mary can pray to Jesus for you. Why take the risk? Why not just pray to Jesus directly? Because they don't want the real Jesus. Then there are other false religions that just change the nature of who Jesus Christ is (Whereby they attack His deity or eternal nature as God).

I didn't write that to you, Brother, but to Sister FaithfulLadybug.

My eyes are tired too. I keep having to go back and edit typos, punctuations, and missing or one too many words. That means it's time for me to rest.

Amen.

 

[Jason0047]

Sure, we can agree and then we can agree to disagree. But please don't misunderstand, by no way am I suggesting studying or believing anything other than what's in the Bible, what God tells us and what Jesus taught/teaches us. I guess I was just sharing something I found interesting. But... if you kindly indulge me, I'm going to clarify, to assure my intent's better understood.

Yes, Kabbalah is Jewish mysticism. But it holds many truths. And some of those truths/teachings are the same truths/teachings that are Jesus's teaching/truths and His parables. That's why I brought it up. I'm not suggesting that people or Christians should run and study the Kabbalah. But there are those that have studied it... some Messianic Jews, and/or some whose path has led them to one place before another place. Or veered them away from one place, only to bring them back to that same place (Jesus, naturally).

So I brought it up to share that interesting statement about the 'time of laughter'. Which makes kind of sense. Or at least I think so. Therefore I shared since the discussion's about Jews, Gentiles and who is who, or who will be who and what.

That's all.

While proponents of Kabbalah believe in the inspiration of Scripture they many times ignore the plain meaning of Scripture by seeking out a meaning by some mystical means (That is not really in the context of the text). Kabbalah also teaches that God and his creation are one. However, the Bible does not teach that, though. Many Kabbalah folk deny that salvation can be found in Jesus Christ alone. This is wrong and evil.

 

[Jason0047]

I didn't write that to you, Brother, but to Sister FaithfulLadybug.

My eyes are tired too. I keep having to go back and edit typos, punctuations, and missing or one too many words. That means it's time for me to rest.

Amen.

It's all good.