Christ was tempted LIKE as we are, but He never desired or was tempted to do evil.
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That´s where Jesus´s humanity seemed to be dismissed, because of the contradiction He was "God", instead of saying "He was DIVINE" the time He was sent by God.
He was (and IS a divine supernatural being) human and, as long He was here, He was human (and humanly tempted) and really perfect achieving GOD´s approval, beyond a simple SON, because GOD dwelt in His body -as a temple- but gave Him not advantage over humankind: His son lived all human passions and yet sinned NOT.
He was (and IS a divine supernatural being) human and, as long He was here, He was human (and humanly tempted) and really perfect achieving GOD´s approval, beyond a simple SON, because GOD dwelt in His body -as a temple- but gave Him not advantage over humankind: His son lived all human passions and yet sinned NOT.
This time, GOD used a pure woman (a perfect woman in CHASTE) to get Jesus body. This time GOD used the unredeemed human race to save what could be saved, so He wanted us to be "co-workers" of His redemptive plans.
God created nothing about Jesus! He just needed a body to capsule Jesus´ spirit in a human body (the way we are) except that, that body, was perfect and pure, because Mary was and is blessed in God´s eyes (yet she was also a sinner and LESS than many of us).
Being that way, Jesus would have suffered everything and he also had the same "right" to sin like all human beings and, for me, it´s clear He had such right when He turned those tables and coins at the temple, when He wanted traders be removed from God´s special place (and today we see many places are used to make money from this Christian faith).
God created nothing about Jesus! He just needed a body to capsule Jesus´ spirit in a human body (the way we are) except that, that body, was perfect and pure, because Mary was and is blessed in God´s eyes (yet she was also a sinner and LESS than many of us).
Being that way, Jesus would have suffered everything and he also had the same "right" to sin like all human beings and, for me, it´s clear He had such right when He turned those tables and coins at the temple, when He wanted traders be removed from God´s special place (and today we see many places are used to make money from this Christian faith).
Yes and all I know based upon the word is the following...
1. Jesus disrobed himself of the glory he had with the Father before the casting down of the World
2. He took upon him the form of a servant and was MADE in the LIKNESS of sinful flesh
3. He was tempted, tried, scrutinized and enticed in ALL POINTS LIKE AS WE ARE TEMPTED
4. He had HUMAN emotion and hundred, was tired, wept, angered, joyful, sad, weak, filled pain etc. and died
5. Learned to be obedient by the things which he SUFFERED
6. Was tempted by the desires of the flesh, eyes and pride of life (LUST=DESIRES and is translated 5 different ways in the N.T)
7. AND WAS WITHOUT SIN
8. WAS TEMPTED JUST LIKE WE ARE TEMPTED
To deny the above is to deny scripture, words given, context and states that GOD as a MEDIATOR CANNOT possibly know what we go thru when we are tested and tried.........! PERIOD......!
1. Jesus disrobed himself of the glory he had with the Father before the casting down of the World
2. He took upon him the form of a servant and was MADE in the LIKNESS of sinful flesh
3. He was tempted, tried, scrutinized and enticed in ALL POINTS LIKE AS WE ARE TEMPTED
4. He had HUMAN emotion and hundred, was tired, wept, angered, joyful, sad, weak, filled pain etc. and died
5. Learned to be obedient by the things which he SUFFERED
6. Was tempted by the desires of the flesh, eyes and pride of life (LUST=DESIRES and is translated 5 different ways in the N.T)
7. AND WAS WITHOUT SIN
8. WAS TEMPTED JUST LIKE WE ARE TEMPTED
To deny the above is to deny scripture, words given, context and states that GOD as a MEDIATOR CANNOT possibly know what we go thru when we are tested and tried.........! PERIOD......!
The first half of the sentence of the Title of This Thread is talking about "external temptation"; And the second half ot the sentence of the Title of this Thread is talking about "internal temptation." For example: A man can tempt you to buy some stolen hot smartphones, but you probably would not be interested (As a Christian) because you would be supporting the sin of stealing amongst other things. So the temptation is one way only. That guy is "externally tempting" you, but you would have no internal interest whatsoever because of your moral values and standing with God. So you were not "internally tempted" (i.e. not interested in any way), although you were "externally tempted" by the guy.
The first half of the sentence that says, "Christ was tempted LIKE as we are," is talking about the "external temptation" of Christ by the demons (the devil in the wilderness), and other sinful people (Just like we are tempted by the devil and other sinful people externally). The word "LIKE" lets us know it is not talking about an "exact" parallel, but one that is sort of similar. For example: I can say I moved so fast it was "LIKE" a cheetah. That doesn't mean I am a cheetah. Hebrews 4:15 says, he was tempted in all points "LIKE" as we are. Meaning, Christ (God) walked in our shoes (so to speak) and knows the pain and grief of what is like to be tempted firsthand externally by the demons (such as the devil) and sinful people. Jesus can sympathize with our situation because He was in our place of being tempted externally (As a "like" parallel). For Jesus can read minds, and know people's thoughts. So it grieved Jesus in regards to the evil that was put before Him. Not that Jesus considered in doing that evil, but Jesus was grieved by the evil trying to tempt him externally. For have you ever been in a room where people were acting so bad or sinful that you just had to leave? Where you felt sick to your stomach by either their conversation and or in the way they spoke? That is how Jesus felt when He was tempted. Jesus can relate with our situation because He was faced with same situation personally. Therefore, Jesus can sympathize by what we go thru in all the points or times we are tempted externally by the devil and sinful people. So Jesus can comfort us on a personal level when we are tempted with sin because He was in our place (being tempted externally) by the devil and sinful people.
The second half of the sentence that says, "He never desired or was tempted to do evil" is talking about "internal temptation." For Jesus is the Holy Son of God. Jesus is the spotless Lamb who took away the sins of the entire world. Jesus never onced considered in doing evil. For to have evil thoughts and or to consider in doing evil would be wrong in God's eyes. For Jesus said that for a man to lust after a woman is the equivalent of committing adultery with her already in his heart. John says that if we hate our brother, it is the equivalent of murder; And no murderer has eternal life abiding within them. Meaning our bad thoughts can be sinful. Even considering in doing evil would be sinful. This is why Jesus was never tempted internally. Jesus never once considered in doing evil. Jesus did not struggle with sin or a carnal nature. Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (i.e. the seed of the woman) and did not have the curse of Adam or his carnal nature passed down unto Him by the male seed. Jesus is our Last Adam or Second Adam that we associate with so that one day we willl be resurrected bodily by his flesh that is not tainted with the curse of Adam. Jesus temporarily took on our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane with the cup and was wounded for our transgressions and then paid the price for our sins within his body upon the cross. Jesus did not have sin in his body before taking the cup that had all our sins within it in the Garden of Gethsemane. See, if Jesus is God (And He is God), then there is no darkness (sin) in Jesus because the Scriptures say there is no darkness in God. The body of Jesus was just a Temple. He who knew no sin was made to be sin for us. Jesus bore our sins within His body and paid the price for them with his physical death. But Jesus conquered the penalty for sin and death with his resurrection. Jesus did not pay for our sins by means of His actual Spirit. God is Holy and He cannot be tainted with sin. Jesus paid the price for our sins in His body (The Temple). Jesus said He came down from Heaven. Jesus did not say He came down into a human soul or spirt. Jesud did not say He came down ffrom Heaven and was a new creation (i.e. divine in spirit and human in spirit). Micah 5:2 tells us the Messiah is from everlasting. Jesus (the Messiah) is from everlasting. He had no beginning. The person known as the "Word" is eternal. God doees not change. God (the Word) is always Holy and impeccable and perfect in the way that He behaves. Even when He takes on a human body. Even when He suppresses His Omniscience (during His Earthly ministry) so as to be like a servant and like a man (See Philippians 2:6-9).
The first half of the sentence that says, "Christ was tempted LIKE as we are," is talking about the "external temptation" of Christ by the demons (the devil in the wilderness), and other sinful people (Just like we are tempted by the devil and other sinful people externally). The word "LIKE" lets us know it is not talking about an "exact" parallel, but one that is sort of similar. For example: I can say I moved so fast it was "LIKE" a cheetah. That doesn't mean I am a cheetah. Hebrews 4:15 says, he was tempted in all points "LIKE" as we are. Meaning, Christ (God) walked in our shoes (so to speak) and knows the pain and grief of what is like to be tempted firsthand externally by the demons (such as the devil) and sinful people. Jesus can sympathize with our situation because He was in our place of being tempted externally (As a "like" parallel). For Jesus can read minds, and know people's thoughts. So it grieved Jesus in regards to the evil that was put before Him. Not that Jesus considered in doing that evil, but Jesus was grieved by the evil trying to tempt him externally. For have you ever been in a room where people were acting so bad or sinful that you just had to leave? Where you felt sick to your stomach by either their conversation and or in the way they spoke? That is how Jesus felt when He was tempted. Jesus can relate with our situation because He was faced with same situation personally. Therefore, Jesus can sympathize by what we go thru in all the points or times we are tempted externally by the devil and sinful people. So Jesus can comfort us on a personal level when we are tempted with sin because He was in our place (being tempted externally) by the devil and sinful people.
The second half of the sentence that says, "He never desired or was tempted to do evil" is talking about "internal temptation." For Jesus is the Holy Son of God. Jesus is the spotless Lamb who took away the sins of the entire world. Jesus never onced considered in doing evil. For to have evil thoughts and or to consider in doing evil would be wrong in God's eyes. For Jesus said that for a man to lust after a woman is the equivalent of committing adultery with her already in his heart. John says that if we hate our brother, it is the equivalent of murder; And no murderer has eternal life abiding within them. Meaning our bad thoughts can be sinful. Even considering in doing evil would be sinful. This is why Jesus was never tempted internally. Jesus never once considered in doing evil. Jesus did not struggle with sin or a carnal nature. Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (i.e. the seed of the woman) and did not have the curse of Adam or his carnal nature passed down unto Him by the male seed. Jesus is our Last Adam or Second Adam that we associate with so that one day we willl be resurrected bodily by his flesh that is not tainted with the curse of Adam. Jesus temporarily took on our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane with the cup and was wounded for our transgressions and then paid the price for our sins within his body upon the cross. Jesus did not have sin in his body before taking the cup that had all our sins within it in the Garden of Gethsemane. See, if Jesus is God (And He is God), then there is no darkness (sin) in Jesus because the Scriptures say there is no darkness in God. The body of Jesus was just a Temple. He who knew no sin was made to be sin for us. Jesus bore our sins within His body and paid the price for them with his physical death. But Jesus conquered the penalty for sin and death with his resurrection. Jesus did not pay for our sins by means of His actual Spirit. God is Holy and He cannot be tainted with sin. Jesus paid the price for our sins in His body (The Temple). Jesus said He came down from Heaven. Jesus did not say He came down into a human soul or spirt. Jesud did not say He came down ffrom Heaven and was a new creation (i.e. divine in spirit and human in spirit). Micah 5:2 tells us the Messiah is from everlasting. Jesus (the Messiah) is from everlasting. He had no beginning. The person known as the "Word" is eternal. God doees not change. God (the Word) is always Holy and impeccable and perfect in the way that He behaves. Even when He takes on a human body. Even when He suppresses His Omniscience (during His Earthly ministry) so as to be like a servant and like a man (See Philippians 2:6-9).
As another poster brought up: Matthew 4:2 does not suggest that Jesus was tempted to actually eat of the bread. Yes, Jesus hungered during his fast and even after he was tempted. But this was part of the commitment of his fast. If Jesus was tempted internally here in DESIRING the bread the devil was trying to get him to eat, then we would see the Scripture talking about that fact. But you won't find such a thing in Scripture. Unless of course you have an overactive imagination.
For example: A person can could be hungry for days, but if that person was offered food like nuts that would be deathly allergic to them, then they would not be tempted in any way to eat those nuts, because they are poison to that person and could they could kill him. The man refusing the nuts could still be hungry and still have no interest whatsoever in eating those nuts of death.
For example: A person can could be hungry for days, but if that person was offered food like nuts that would be deathly allergic to them, then they would not be tempted in any way to eat those nuts, because they are poison to that person and could they could kill him. The man refusing the nuts could still be hungry and still have no interest whatsoever in eating those nuts of death.
Also, as another poster pointed out: They believe the teaching on the Kenosis (i.e. Where Jesus suppressed His divine attributes of Omniscience and Omnipotence while here on this Earth so as to be like a man) is implying that Jesus was internally tempted by the lust of the flesh. This is simply not true. Nowhere in Philippians 2:6-9, and the passages in John 17, Hebrews 2, and Hebrews 4, and other places in Scripture talk about how Jesus was tempted internally (or struggled with sin and or in considering in doing evil). Jesus is the Holy Son of God who is eternal and does not change. The Scriptures say God cannot be tempted. Jesus is God. So He was not tempted internally. Externally tempted? Yes. But internally tempted? No. Hebrews 2 and Hebrews 4 talk about how Jesus was tempted externally. Jesus was faced with the same externall temptations we are faced and therefore he can relate to us and sympathize with our situation because he was tempted externally, too (And knows the pain of others tempting him externally). So Jesus sympathize and comfort us when we are tempted.
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I'm getting the impression that you stand in defense of Jesus' holiness, that you believe His holiness and perfect purity is somehow damaged or diminished by Him being tempted like us... It is not.
The Bible does not divide temptation into external and internal (unless you can demonstrate this terminology with specific scriptures that do so?) - if something does not attract me or is not appealing to me, then it is not a temptation.
Here are some definitions on what temptation is:
The Bible does not divide temptation into external and internal (unless you can demonstrate this terminology with specific scriptures that do so?) - if something does not attract me or is not appealing to me, then it is not a temptation.
Here are some definitions on what temptation is:
No, I can say this and be correct.
The Bible talks about that if you think evil, it is the same as doing that evil. For example: If you lust after someone, these are bad thoughts and it is the equivalent of committing adultery in your heart with that person. If you hate someone, it is the equivalent of murder (According to John); And no murderer has eternal life abiding within them. So if Jesus had evil thoughts in considering evil when tempted (even for a few seconds), then he would have sinned. For to be tempted internally by something bad, you have to have a bad desire (sin) for that thing existing inside you in order for you to be interested in that bad thing (sin). Jesus did not have darkness or bad desire or sin existing within Him. Jesus was the Light that came to a dark and dying world. It is a contradiction to say Jesus is the Light that brings us out of darkness and then say He had darkness in Him so that He could be internally tempted. Such a claim is double talk non sense.
"Hey guys, I was tempted by this guy in the park with some hot smart phones." "Yeah, like I am really interested in the cops in showing up at my door!"
The Bible talks about that if you think evil, it is the same as doing that evil. For example: If you lust after someone, these are bad thoughts and it is the equivalent of committing adultery in your heart with that person. If you hate someone, it is the equivalent of murder (According to John); And no murderer has eternal life abiding within them. So if Jesus had evil thoughts in considering evil when tempted (even for a few seconds), then he would have sinned. For to be tempted internally by something bad, you have to have a bad desire (sin) for that thing existing inside you in order for you to be interested in that bad thing (sin). Jesus did not have darkness or bad desire or sin existing within Him. Jesus was the Light that came to a dark and dying world. It is a contradiction to say Jesus is the Light that brings us out of darkness and then say He had darkness in Him so that He could be internally tempted. Such a claim is double talk non sense.
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You are misinterpreting the scriptures you are relying on to derive the definition of "internal" temptation.
The verse about "looking upon a woman with lust" means to stare with intent to derive pleasure from it and think that one isnt accountable because they didnt do the adultery physically. This is a persisting behavior.
You also take John out of context, it talks about harboring hatred and resentment, again a persisting behavior, not a temptation in the moment of anger.
The verse about "looking upon a woman with lust" means to stare with intent to derive pleasure from it and think that one isnt accountable because they didnt do the adultery physically. This is a persisting behavior.
You also take John out of context, it talks about harboring hatred and resentment, again a persisting behavior, not a temptation in the moment of anger.
Wow! You hit the nail thrice!
If you read Jason´s threads you will see he wants to perfect what it is what it is, to the point I wrote to him sometime: "Do you plan to write Jason´s bible?"
What he does is GOOD! He trains himself to defend faith and his faith. He seems to be a preacher and that exercise has helped others in CC. So please, I beg, don´t feel discouraged, because he won´t be discouraged by smart people´s observations.
If you read Jason´s threads you will see he wants to perfect what it is what it is, to the point I wrote to him sometime: "Do you plan to write Jason´s bible?"
What he does is GOOD! He trains himself to defend faith and his faith. He seems to be a preacher and that exercise has helped others in CC. So please, I beg, don´t feel discouraged, because he won´t be discouraged by smart people´s observations.
The man Christ Jesus was tempted as we are,yet without sin.
The Bible says that if you are led of the Spirit you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh,which means when you are tempted you will not play upon it.
The man Christ Jesus is God manifest in the flesh so He was always led of the Spirit without wavering so He could not sin,where people can be led of the Spirit an act like Christ but they have the capability to sin if they desire.
If the man Christ Jesus could be tempted like we are then He had to be tempted to do evil although He did not play upon it,and He did not have the capability to sin.
The Bible says that if you are led of the Spirit you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh,which means when you are tempted you will not play upon it.
The man Christ Jesus is God manifest in the flesh so He was always led of the Spirit without wavering so He could not sin,where people can be led of the Spirit an act like Christ but they have the capability to sin if they desire.
If the man Christ Jesus could be tempted like we are then He had to be tempted to do evil although He did not play upon it,and He did not have the capability to sin.