Does Acts 2:38 mean we have to be baptized to get into Heaven? -Debate

kennethcadwell · Dec 17, 2014

Where does scripture say that everyone in the past was baptized? 1 Cor 10 is one of those verses hard to understand that Peter tells us about in Paul, like baptism for the dead. Whatever 1 Cor 10 means it is baptism into Moses, not into Christ there. Neither is it said that any baptism saves in 1 Cor 10.[/QUOTE]

It is not hard to understand, for the Spirit of the Lord was in full work through Moses.
Without the Spirit of the Lord working in Moses, he could not have done the things He did in the will of God. Paul is saying here that if anybody wants to be continuous about the issue of baptism, look here that our fathers ( predecessor's ) in the faith were baptized through Moses in the cloud ( Holy Spirit ) and the sea ( water ).

Then we can even take other scriptures from the old testament that showed symbolism of baptism, just not the style it is done now, still being used back then;

Exodus 19:10-11
And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them today and tomorrow, and let them wash their clothes, And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.

Exodus 29:4
And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.

Hebrews 9:18-20
Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

This shows that water has been and always been part of the sanctification process for salvation, it was part of it back then, it was part of it through John the baptist, the Apostles were commanded to still use it, and Jesus nowhere omitted the usage of water in baptism.
Even when His apostles were baptizing around Him, He never once told them to stop or say not needed any more. On the contrary He commanded them to keep doing it.

notuptome · Dec 17, 2014

SeaBass said:

You have a very peculiar view of scripture. Very wrong because you force everything to go through the distorted belief you have over water baptism. You see things as commands which are not.

Peter speaking by inspiration of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:38 is not commanding anything but observing what happens when someone receives Christ. Repentance is an automatic response to receiving Christ as Savior and baptism of the Holy Spirit is also an inescapable result of allowing Christ to save you from your sins.

You are perhaps a good example of what Christ was referring to when He said they strain at a gnat but swallow a camel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

dcontroversal · Dec 17, 2014

notuptome said:

You have a very peculiar view of scripture. Very wrong because you force everything to go through the distorted belief you have over water baptism. You see things as commands which are not.

Peter speaking by inspiration of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:38 is not commanding anything but observing what happens when someone receives Christ. Repentance is an automatic response to receiving Christ as Savior and baptism of the Holy Spirit is also an inescapable result of allowing Christ to save you from your sins.

You are perhaps a good example of what Christ was referring to when He said they strain at a gnat but swallow a camel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

No doubt and I would add.....more like 2 or 3 camels.....!

seed_time_harvest · Dec 17, 2014

Seems like the legalist just don't seem to understand the heart of GOD .GOD doesn't love us because we keep rules and regulations.
David understood the heart of GOD when he ate the showbread he knew GOD still loves him.

Romans 8:35
king james version(kjv)

[SUP]35.)[/SUP] Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Mitspa · Dec 17, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

Like I said one of Paul's understudies and fellow brother in Christ did the baptizing.
He did not just go in by himself preach the gospel and then leave. He preached the gospel and instructed them, and then one of the other disciples that were present did the baptizing.
The reasoning Paul mentioned that he was glad that he did not baptize them all, but only a few. Was because there was a big issue arising in the church like we still have today. People were taking and causing division in the church by following who they wanted to follow, and interjecting their own philosophies to how they wanted to live debating with other members of the church on not living that way to.
People were saying I was baptized by him, so that is who I follow and arguing with those who were saying they were baptized by another and followed them. Paul was saying think God I only baptized a few of you, because I do not want people claiming they follow me and cause strife with others. Paul says we were baptized into Jesus, when we were dipped in water, not in another's name.

We see that same problem happening today as people walk around, I am Catholic and baptized as such, I am Baptist and baptized as such, I am this or that denomination and baptized as such. Causing division and strife.
No we are not baptized as such, we are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

So its your assumption that Paul had a group of "baptist" with him ? To kinda finish the job? I would like to see that in the scriptures if you can provide one?

kennethcadwell · Dec 17, 2014

seed_time_harvest said:

This is correct for nobody can separate us from God, our own personal sins do that unless we repent and ask forgiveness of them.

Mitspa · Dec 17, 2014

For Christ sent me not to baptize but to preach the gospel.. odd how Paul didn't mentioned the folks that went with him to do what Christ did not send him to do? odd also hiw the Lord would send him out to half save people?

dcontroversal · Dec 17, 2014

Mitspa said:

Oh don't worry as those who teach a watered down blood salvation will pretzel twist this to their own demise while failing to understand that it is faith that saves and immersion is a picture and public testimony of acceptance into and belief of the resurrection of Jesus for salvation and justification......!

dcontroversal · Dec 17, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

So, how long do you have Kenneth before you are separated and lost again after you sin....1 second, 10 seconds, 1 minute, 5 minutes, maybe a day?

elf3 · Dec 17, 2014

Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said to them, "Repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit". Big verse used for baptism as remission of sins. But is it the "repent" or the "baptism" that saves us?

Look at Peters very next teaching. Acts 3:19 "Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord.". Speaking to the same "type" of people as his teaching in Acts 2:38 Peter leaves out baptism as any part of salvation or remission of sin.

Peters teaching in Acts 10:43 "To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.". Same "type" of people but again Peter leaves out baptism as part of salvation or remission of sins.

We see "repent" or "believe" in 3 out of 3 teachings by Peter. But, we only see baptism in 1 out of 3 teachings by Peter. If baptism was indeed needed for salvation or remission of sins don't you think Peter would have mentioned it each one of these teachings? So by these teachings of Peter what is important for salvation?

Repentance and belief in Christ are the key to salvation not baptism.

kennethcadwell · Dec 17, 2014

Mitspa said:

dcontroversal said:

[SIZE=+1] Paul and His Main Missionary Associates:[/SIZE]

Paul:

Before becoming a Christian himself, Paul opposed and persecuted those who believed in Jesus [SIZE=-1](Acts 7:58; 8:1-3; 9:1-5).[/SIZE]

After coming to believe in Jesus, Paul does some initial preaching[SIZE=-1] (Acts 9:19-22, 26-30; cf. Gal 1:15-24).[/SIZE]

But for most of his first 14 or more years as a Christian, he is not really an independent missionary [SIZE=-1](Gal 2:1).[/SIZE]

He is recruited by Barnabas (see above) to help evangelize the early Christian community in Antioch [SIZE=-1](11:25-30).[/SIZE]

On the first "missionary journey"[SIZE=-1] (Acts 13-14)[/SIZE], Barnabas is clearly the leader and Paul the assistant; not only is Barnabas usually named before Paul [SIZE=-1](13:1-2, 7)[/SIZE], but after healing a man in Lystra, the people assume that Barnabas is Zeus(the father god) and Paul is Hermes (the messenger god).

After Paul breaks up with Barnabas, Paul expands his preaching and traveling, first with the help of Silvanus (a.k.a. Silas) and Timothy, and later with the help of more and more missionary associates.

He also interacts with other Christian preachers throughout the years, especially Apollos and Titus, but also Peter and James (see below).

Among his many associates, Paul distinguishes between those who were Christians before him or independent of him (converts of other preachers), and those who became Christians due to his own preaching; for the former he uses more respectful language and titles (calling them brothers, apostles, or partners), while he feels free to give commands to his own converts (whom he calls sons, co-workers, junior partners, etc.).

"Brothers" and "Sisters":

Adelphos ("brother") and adelphe ("sister") have a variety of meanings in the NT, referring sometimes to the family of Jesus [SIZE=-1](esp. James in Gal 1:19)[/SIZE], sometimes to other people's blood-relatives, and sometimes to all Christian believers in general[SIZE=-1] (Rom 14:10-23; 1Cor 6:5-6; etc.).[/SIZE]

In contrast, syngenes ("relative" or "kin"; [SIZE=-1]Mark 6:4; Luke 1:58; Acts 10:24; etc.[/SIZE]) or syngeneia ("family" or "kindred"; [SIZE=-1]Luke 1:61; Acts 7:3, 14[/SIZE]) refers to members of one's own (extended) family, or to "compatriots" from the same ethnic group[SIZE=-1](clearly Rom 9:3; possibly 16:7, 21).[/SIZE]

Paul calls some people "brothers," even though they are almost certainly not his blood-relatives, in order to stress their close mutual connection, such as Quartus [SIZE=-1](Rom 16:23)[/SIZE], Sosthenes [SIZE=-1](1Cor 1:1)[/SIZE], Apollos [SIZE=-1](1Cor 16:12)[/SIZE], Timothy [SIZE=-1](2Cor 1:1; Col 1:1; 1Thess 3:2; Phlm 1)[/SIZE], Titus [SIZE=-1](2Cor 2:13)[/SIZE], two anonymous companions of Titus [SIZE=-1](2Cor 8:18, 22; 12:18)[/SIZE]; Tychicus [SIZE=-1](Eph 6:21; Col 4:7)[/SIZE], Epaphroditus[SIZE=-1] (Phil 2:25)[/SIZE], Onesimus [SIZE=-1](Col 4:9; Phlm 16)[/SIZE], and Philemon[SIZE=-1] (Phlm 7, 20).[/SIZE]

Paul also calls Phoebe "our sister" ([SIZE=-1]Rom 16:1[/SIZE], in the broader Christian sense), sends greetings to "Nereus and his sister" [SIZE=-1](16:15)[/SIZE], and greets "Apphia, the sister" [SIZE=-1](Phlm 2)[/SIZE].

In contrast, Paul calls some people his "relatives" (syngenes), such as Andronicus and Junia [SIZE=-1](Rom 16:7)[/SIZE], Herodion[SIZE=-1] (16:11)[/SIZE], and Lucius, Jason, and Sosipater [SIZE=-1](16:21)[/SIZE]; Acts also mentions "the son of Paul's sister," but without naming either one [SIZE=-1](Acts 23:16).[/SIZE]

To stress that someone's status is equal to his own, he sometimes also calls him a "partner" (koinonos), incl. Titus [SIZE=-1](2Cor 8:23)[/SIZE] and Philemon ([SIZE=-1]Phlm 17 - even though he is one of Paul's converts[/SIZE]).

"Fathers" and "Children":

The Gospels stress that there is really only one "Father," namely God [SIZE=-1](Matt 6:9; 23:9)[/SIZE], and that believers become the "children of God" [SIZE=-1](Matt 5:9; Luke 20:36; John 1:12; cf. Rom 8:14-21; Gal 3:26; 1John 3:1; etc.).[/SIZE]

However, Paul often refers to his converts (those who became Christians due to Paul's own preaching) as his "children" (tekna) or "sons" (huioi), especially Timothy [SIZE=-1](1Cor 4:17; Phil 2:22; 1Tim 1:2; 2Tim 1:2; 2:1)[/SIZE], Titus [SIZE=-1](Tit 1:4)[/SIZE], Onesimus[SIZE=-1] (Phlm 10)[/SIZE], and all the Christians in Thessalonica [SIZE=-1](1Thess 2:11)[/SIZE], Corinth [SIZE=-1](1Cor 4:14; 2Cor 12:14)[/SIZE], and Galatia[SIZE=-1] (Gal 4:19)[/SIZE].

Thus, he also refers to himself as the "father" (pater) of individual converts[SIZE=-1] (Phil 2:22)[/SIZE] or the whole community[SIZE=-1] (1Thess 2:11)[/SIZE], or else says that he has "fathered" or "given birth" (gennao) to those who believe [SIZE=-1](1Cor 4:15; Phlm 10)[/SIZE].

Peter similarly refers to John Mark as "my son"[SIZE=-1] (1Pet 5:13)[/SIZE], even though they are not blood-related.

Timothy:

Paul's closest assistant (mentioned 26 times in the NT), the co-author and/or deliverer of six of Paul's letters [SIZE=-1](2Cor; Phil; Col; 1Thess; 2Thess; Phlm)[/SIZE], and the addressee of two other (probably deutero-Pauline) letters [SIZE=-1](1Tim & 2Tim)[/SIZE].

Originally from Lystra in Lycaonia, the son of a Greek father and Jewish-Christian mother[SIZE=-1] (Acts 16:1; 2Tim 1:5)[/SIZE], Timothy joins Paul ca. 49/50 AD and works with him throughout his life.

When Paul[SIZE=-1] (or someone later, writing pseudepigraphically in Paul's name) [/SIZE]commends Timothy's sincere faith, he mentions that the same faith was previously also alive in Timothy's grandmother Lois and mother Eunice[SIZE=-1] (2Tim 1:5).[/SIZE]

Paul variously calls Timothy "my beloved and faithful child in the Lord"[SIZE=-1] (1Cor 4:17; cf. 1Tim 1:2; 2Tim 1:2)[/SIZE], "our brother" [SIZE=-1](1Thess 3:2; 2Cor 1:1; Col 1:1; Phlm 1)[/SIZE], "a servant of Christ Jesus" [SIZE=-1](Phil 1:1)[/SIZE], and "our/my co-worker"[SIZE=-1] (1Thess 3:2; Rom 16:21)[/SIZE].

Timothy was with Paul and Silvanus when they first established Christian communities in Philippi, Thessalonica, and Corinth [SIZE=-1](2Cor 1:19; Acts 16:1--18:11)[/SIZE], and also later when Paul was traveling around the Aegaen Sea and to Jerusalem [SIZE=-1](Acts 19:22; 20:4; Rom 16:21)[/SIZE].

But he was also sent as Paul's emissary to revisit the Christians in various provinces, esp. Macedonia[SIZE=-1] (1Thess 3:1-6; Phil 2:19-24) [/SIZE]and Achaia[SIZE=-1] (1Cor 4:17; 16:10-11).[/SIZE]

According to one of the "Pastoral Letters," Paul had Timothy stay in Ephesus to guide and teach the church there [SIZE=-1](1Tim 1:1-3; 4:11-16).[/SIZE]

Titus:

One of Paul's closest associates, mentioned 13 times in the Pauline and deutero-Pauline letters (but curiously never in Acts).

A Gentile convert to Christianity who accompanies Barnabas and Paul to the Jerusalem Council; although he is an uncircumcised Greek, he is not compelled to be circumcised[SIZE=-1] (Gal 2:1-3).[/SIZE]

Paul tells the Corinthians that Titus is "my brother"[SIZE=-1] (2Cor 2:13) [/SIZE]and "my partner and co-worker for you"[SIZE=-1] (8:23).[/SIZE]

Titus later serves as Paul's messenger to the Christian communities in Macedonia and Achaia, esp. in Corinth [SIZE=-1](2Cor 7:5--8:24; 12:18).[/SIZE]

He may also have preached in Dalmatia (modern Albania & Bosnia; [SIZE=-1]2Tim 4:10[/SIZE]),

According to one of the "Pastoral Letters," Paul left Titus on the island of Crete to organize and appoint leaders for the churches there [SIZE=-1](Tit 1:4-5)[/SIZE].

Silvanus/Silas:

the same person named "Silas" in Acts is always called "Silvanus" in Paul's letters and in 1Pet 5:12.

a Christian "leader" and "prophet" from Jerusalem [SIZE=-1](Acts 15:22, 32)[/SIZE], who accompanied Paul and Timothy at the beginning of their missionary activity in Macedonia and Achaia [SIZE=-1](1Thess 1:1; 2Thess 1:1; 2Cor 1:19; Acts 15:40--18:5)[/SIZE].

probably parted company with Paul, since he is not mentioned later in Acts nor in Paul's other letters.

later associated with Peter in Rome, serving as his secretary, and called "faithful brother"[SIZE=-1] (1Pet 5:12)[/SIZE].

Other "Co-Workers":

Synergoi (literally "co-workers," but meaning "assistants" or "junior partners") is a term that Paul uses mostly for his own missionary assistants, but only rarely for the apostles or other missionaries who were Christians before or independent of Paul.

Individuals called synergoi by Paul include Prisca and Aquila [SIZE=-1](Rom 16:3)[/SIZE], Urbanus[SIZE=-1] (Rom 16:9)[/SIZE], Timothy [SIZE=-1](Rom 16:21; 1Thess 3:2)[/SIZE], Titus [SIZE=-1](2Cor 8:23)[/SIZE], Epaphroditus[SIZE=-1] (Phil 2:25)[/SIZE], Clement [SIZE=-1](Phil 4:3)[/SIZE], Aristarchus, Mark, and Justus[SIZE=-1] (Col 4:10-11)[/SIZE], Philemon [SIZE=-1](Phlm 1)[/SIZE], Mark, Aristarchus, Demas, and Luke[SIZE=-1] (Phlm 24)[/SIZE]

Interestingly, Paul refers to himself and Apollos as "co-workers / junior partners" of God [SIZE=-1](1Cor 3:9; cf. 2Cor 1:24)[/SIZE]

Paul uses several other Greek terms containing the prefix syn- ("with") to designate his assistants, including systratiotes ("fellow soldier") for Epaphroditus[SIZE=-1] (Phil 2:25)[/SIZE] and Archippus [SIZE=-1](Phlm 2)[/SIZE], synaixmalotos ("fellow prisoner") for Aristarchus [SIZE=-1](Col 4:10)[/SIZE], Epaphras [SIZE=-1](Phlm 23)[/SIZE], and Andronicus and Junia [SIZE=-1](Rom 16:7)[/SIZE], and syndoulos ("fellow slave") for Epaphras[SIZE=-1] (Col 1:7)[/SIZE] and Tychicus [SIZE=-1](Col 4:7).[/SIZE]

More and More Missionaries and Christians:

As time goes on, more and more people not only join the Christian communities founded by Paul, but also join in his missionary efforts; consider the number of individuals named in just some of his letters, in approximately chronological order:

1 Thess: only Silvanus and Timothy are mentioned as Paul's co-workers[SIZE=-1] (1:1; 3:2, 6)[/SIZE]; the greetings at the end of the letter are sent to the "brothers" (Christians) in general, but without naming any individuals [SIZE=-1](5:26)[/SIZE].

Phil: along with Timothy [SIZE=-1](1:1; 2:19-24)[/SIZE], Epaphroditus is mentioned as Paul's co-worker[SIZE=-1] (2:25-30; 4:15-20)[/SIZE], as well as Euodia, Syntyche, Clement, "and the rest of my co-workers" [SIZE=-1](4:2-3)[/SIZE].

Phlm: Paul (with Timothy) writes this letter to Philemon, Apphia, and Archippus [SIZE=-1](1-2)[/SIZE], talks extensively about Onesimus [SIZE=-1](10-16)[/SIZE], and concludes by conveying greetings from Epaphras (his "fellow prisoner"), as well as Mark, Aristarchus, Demas, and Luke, his "co-workers" [SIZE=-1](22-23)[/SIZE].

1 Cor: in this letter Paul mentions Sosthenes ("our brother"; [SIZE=-1]1:1[/SIZE]), Chloe's messengers ([SIZE=-1]1:11[/SIZE]), Apollos and Cephas (as "apostles" or "servants" of Jesus; [SIZE=-1]1:12; 3:22; etc.[/SIZE]), Timothy, his "son," and other brothers [SIZE=-1](4:17; 16:10)[/SIZE], the household of Stephanas ("first converts in Achaia"; [SIZE=-1]16:15[/SIZE]), Stephanas, Fortunatus, and Achaicus (Corinthians who are visiting Paul; [SIZE=-1]16:17[/SIZE]), and finally conveys greetings from Aquila and Prisca and "the church in their house" [SIZE=-1](16:19)[/SIZE].

Rom: in the last chapter, Paul commends "Phoebe, a deacon of the church at Cenchraea" [SIZE=-1](16:1-2)[/SIZE], sends greetings to Prisca and Aquila [SIZE=-1](v.3)[/SIZE], Epaenetus, "the first convert in Asia"[SIZE=-1] (v.5)[/SIZE], and over twenty-five other individuals, families, and households[SIZE=-1] (vv.6-16)[/SIZE]; he also conveys greetings to the Romans from eight other individuals, including Timothy, Lucius, Jason, Sosispater, Tertius, Gaius, Erastus, and Quartus ([SIZE=-1]vv.21-23[/SIZE]; see below for further details on all of these).

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kennethcadwell · Dec 17, 2014

[HR][/HR][SIZE=+1]III) Early Christians associated with Paul (in alphabetical order):[/SIZE]

Achaicus - see Fortunatus

Agabus - a Christian "prophet" from Jerusalem who also visits the Christians in Antioch ([SIZE=-1]Acts 11:28[/SIZE]; where he predicts a severe famine) and Caesarea ([SIZE=-1]21:10[/SIZE]; while Paul and his companions are staying at the house of Philip the Evangelist).

Alexander - a coppersmith who did "great harm" to Paul and opposed his preaching[SIZE=-1] (2Tim 4:14-15)[/SIZE]; possibly the same person mentioned in Acts 19:33, and/or the former Christian whom Paul curses (together with Hymenaeus) in 1Tim 1:20.

Ananias - a disciple in Damascus who restores Paul's sight and baptizes him [SIZE=-1](Acts 9:10-19; 22:12; not the same as the Ananias of Acts 5:1-11, nor the Jewish High priest of Acts 23:2; 24:1).[/SIZE]

Apphia - a woman addressed by Paul as "our sister"; probably a member of the household of Philemon[SIZE=-1] (Phlm 2).[/SIZE]

Apollos - an Alexandrian Jew who became a Christian missionary, described as eloquent and knowledgeable of Scripture; he preached and interacted with some of Paul's associates in Ephesus [SIZE=-1](Acts 18:24-26)[/SIZE], in Corinth [SIZE=-1](Acts 18:27-28; 19:1; 1Cor 1:12; 3:4-6, 22; 4:6; 16:12)[/SIZE], and possibly on Crete [SIZE=-1](Tit 3:13); [/SIZE]Paul calls him a "brother"[SIZE=-1] (1Cor 16:12) [/SIZE]and refers to himself, Apollos, and Cephas/Peter collectively as "servants of Christ and stewards of God's mysteries [SIZE=-1](1 Cor 4:1).[/SIZE]

Aquila & Prisca (a.k.a. Priscilla) - a married couple, Jewish Christians, natives of Pontus, who were expelled from Rome ca. 49 AD due to the "Edict of Claudius" [SIZE=-1](Acts 18:1-3)[/SIZE]; close co-workers of Paul's early mission in Corinth[SIZE=-1] (1Cor 16:19)[/SIZE], then leaders of the church in Ephesus[SIZE=-1] (Acts 18:18, 24-28; 2Tim 4:19)[/SIZE], and later evidently back in Rome, where they are leaders of a "house-church" [SIZE=-1](Rom 16:3-5)[/SIZE].

Archippus - a "fellow soldier" of Paul, somehow connected with Philemon [SIZE=-1](Phlm 1:2)[/SIZE]; Paul tells the Colossians to exhort him, "See that you complete the task you have received from the Lord" [SIZE=-1](Col 4:17)[/SIZE].

Aristarchus - a Christian from Thessalonica in Macedonia; a "traveling companion" [SIZE=-1](Acts 19:29, 20:4, 27:2)[/SIZE] and "fellow prisoner" [SIZE=-1](Col 4:10)[/SIZE] and "fellow worker"[SIZE=-1] (Phlm 24) [/SIZE]of Paul.

Artemas - Paul's messenger to Titus [SIZE=-1](Titus 3:12).[/SIZE]

Barnabas - an early "apostle" and senior partner of Paul (see section I above).

Barsabbas - see Joseph and Judas

Carpus - Paul left books and parchments with him at Troas, and asks Timothy to retrieve them [SIZE=-1](2Tim 4:13).[/SIZE]

Cephas - an alternate name for the apostle Peter, with whom Paul occasionally interacts [SIZE=-1](1Cor 1:12; 3:22; 9:5; 15:5; Gal 1:18-2:14)[/SIZE]; just like Petros in Greek, Cephas in Hebrew is simply the nickname "Rocky".

Claudia - see Eubulus

Chloe's people - Christians who brought Paul news about divisions in the church at Corinth[SIZE=-1] (1Cor 1:11).[/SIZE]

Clement - a co-worker of Euodia, Syntyche, and others, of whom Paul says their "names are in the book of life" [SIZE=-1](Phil 4:3)[/SIZE].

Crescens - Paul merely reports that he has gone to Galatia [SIZE=-1](2Tim 4:10).[/SIZE]

Crispus - a synagogue official in Corinth [SIZE=-1](Acts 18:8)[/SIZE]; one of the very few people that Paul personally baptized [SIZE=-1](1Cor 1:14).[/SIZE]

Damaris - a woman who was one of Paul's few converts in Athens [SIZE=-1](Acts 17:33).[/SIZE]

Demas - sends greetings to the Colossians [SIZE=-1](Col 4:14)[/SIZE] and to Philemon [SIZE=-1](Phlm 24)[/SIZE]; later deserts Paul and goes to Thessalonica [SIZE=-1](2Tim 4:9-10).[/SIZE]

Dionysius the Areopagite - a man who was one of Paul's few converts in Athens [SIZE=-1](Acts 17:34).[/SIZE]

Epaphras - a native of Colossae and Paul's "beloved fellow servant," who probably founded the Christian community in his hometown[SIZE=-1] (Col 1:7)[/SIZE]; Paul later conveys Epaphras' greetings back to the Colossians, calling him a "servant of Christ Jesus" who prays on their behalf [SIZE=-1] (Col 4:12)[/SIZE]; also Paul's "fellow prisoner," probably while in Ephesus[SIZE=-1] (Phlm 23).[/SIZE]

Epaphroditus - delivers gifts from the Philippian Christians to Paul, while he is imprisoned (probably in Ephesus); Epaph. becomes ill, but later recovers [SIZE=-1](Phil 2:25-30; 4:15-18).[/SIZE]

Erastus - the "city treasurer" of Corinth[SIZE=-1] (Rom 16:23; 2Tim 4:20)[/SIZE], whom Paul later sends to Macedonia[SIZE=-1] (Acts 19:22).[/SIZE]

Eubulus - Paul conveys greetings to Timothy from Eubulus, Pudens, Linus and Claudia [SIZE=-1](2Tim 4:21).[/SIZE]

Eunice - the mother of Timothy who is also a Christian [SIZE=-1](2Tim 1:5; cf. Lois).[/SIZE]

Euodia and Syntyche - two women whom Paul urges "to be of the same mind in the Lord," and of whom Paul says, "they have struggled beside me [Paul] in the work of the gospel, together with Clement and the rest of my co-workers, whose names are in the book of life" [SIZE=-1](Phil 4:2-3)[/SIZE].

Eutychus - a young man in Troas who hears Paul preaching late at night; sitting in a window, he falls asleep and falls three stories to the ground; the other Christians think he is dead, but Paul raises him up (and then continues preaching! -[SIZE=-1]Acts 20:7-12).[/SIZE]

Fortunatus and Achaicus - Christians from Corinth who visit Paul in Ephesus; Paul commends them (along with Stephanas) to the community, saying they have "refreshed my spirit" [SIZE=-1](1Cor 16:17-18).[/SIZE]

Gaius - a Christian from Macedonia who becomes a traveling companion of Paul, is with him in Ephesus [SIZE=-1](Acts 19:29; 20:4)[/SIZE], hosts Paul and the church in Corinth[SIZE=-1] (Rom 16:23)[/SIZE], and is one of the few people that Paul personally baptized [SIZE=-1](1Cor 1:14)[/SIZE]; probably not the same Gaius who is a leader of a Johannine church[SIZE=-1] (3 John 1)[/SIZE].

Hermogenes - see Phygelus

Hymenaeus - see Alexander

James - not the son of Zebedee (killed by Herod Agrippa in [SIZE=-1]Acts 12:2[/SIZE]), but a "brother" of Jesus[SIZE=-1] (Mark 6:3)[/SIZE], who later becomes a prominent leader of the Christian community in Jerusalem [SIZE=-1](Acts 12:17; 15:13; 21:18; 1Cor 15:7; Gal 1:19; 2:9; cf. James 1:1)[/SIZE]; Paul calls him an "apostle" [SIZE=-1](Gal 1:19)[/SIZE], although there are some tensions between Paul and some "people from James" who insist that non-Jewish Christians must be circumcised [SIZE=-1](Gal 2:12).[/SIZE]

Jason - a Jewish Christian who houses Paul and Silas in Thessalonica, and is arrested because of his association with them [SIZE=-1](Acts 17:5-9);[/SIZE] possibly, but probably not the same as the Jason mentioned in Rom 16:21 (see Lucius below).

Judas a.k.a. Barsabbas[SIZE=-1] (not Judas Iscariot, nor the same as Joseph Barsabbas, below)[/SIZE] - an early disciple sent as a representative of the community in Jerusalem to the Christians in Antioch after the "Council of Jerusalem"; he and Silas are "leaders among the brothers" [SIZE=-1](Acts 15:22) [/SIZE]and messengers[SIZE=-1] (15:27)[/SIZE] and "prophets" [SIZE=-1](15:32).[/SIZE]

Justus a.k.a. Jesus - one of only a few Jews ("ones of the circumcision") among Paul's co-workers; Paul conveys greetings from Justus to the Colossians; a comfort to him [SIZE=-1](Col 4:11).[/SIZE]

Linus - see Eubulus

Lois - the grandmother of Timothy who was also a Christian [SIZE=-1](2Tim 1:5; cf. Eunice).[/SIZE]

Lucius - Paul conveys to the Romans the greetings of "Lucius and Jason and Sosipater, my relatives" [SIZE=-1](Rom 16:21)[/SIZE]; he is probably a different person from the following:

Lucius of Cyrene - one of the "prophets and teachers" of the church in Antioch, named along with Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Manaean (a Herodian), and Saul [SIZE=-1](Acts 13:1).[/SIZE]

Luke - described as "the beloved physician"; sends greetings to the Colossians[SIZE=-1] (Col 4:14) [/SIZE]and Philemon [SIZE=-1](Phlm 24)[/SIZE]; with Paul again later, acc. to 2Tim 4:11.

Lydia - a female merchant ("seller of purple cloth") from Thyatira; a "worshiper of God" (Jewish proselyte?) who is Paul's first convert in Philippi [SIZE=-1](Acts 16:11-15)[/SIZE]; Paul briefly stays in her house after being released from prison[SIZE=-1] (16:40).[/SIZE]

Manaen - see Lucius of Cyrene

Mark - a young Christian from Jerusalem, a.k.a. John Mark, at whose mother's house Peter stays [SIZE=-1](Acts 12:12)[/SIZE]; an early missionary associate of Paul and Barnabas [SIZE=-1](12:25; 13:5, 13; 15:37-39)[/SIZE]; called the "cousin" of Barnabas [SIZE=-1](Col 4:10)[/SIZE]; involved in preaching to the Christians in Colossae [SIZE=-1](Phlm 24)[/SIZE]; Paul calls him "useful in my ministry" [SIZE=-1](2Tim 4:11)[/SIZE]; later he is again associated with the apostle Peter, who calls him "my son" [SIZE=-1](1Pet 5:13).[/SIZE]

Mary - the mother of John Mark [SIZE=-1](Acts 12:12);[/SIZE] Peter goes to her house in Jerusalem after being freed from prison.

Mnason - a Christian from Cyprus, who gave Paul & companions hospitality on their journey top Jerusalem [SIZE=-1](Acts 21:16).[/SIZE]

Nympha - a Christian who hosts the community of believers in Colossae; Paul greets her and "the church in her house"[SIZE=-1] (Col 4:15).[/SIZE]

Onesimus - a slave belonging to Philemon, but converted to Christianity by Paul (who calls him "son"; [SIZE=-1]Phlm 10[/SIZE]); Paul asks Philemon to free Onesimus, so that he can become a "useful" brother (i.e. a missionary; [SIZE=-1]Phlm 11-15[/SIZE]); he later evidently did become a Christian leader [SIZE=-1](Col 4:9).[/SIZE]

Onesiphorus - a faithful benefactor; Paul sends greetings to his household in Ephesus [SIZE=-1](2Tim 1:16; 4:19).[/SIZE]

Peter - see Cephas

Philemon - a Colossian convert and co-worker of Paul; Paul pleads for him to release his slave Onesimus[SIZE=-1] (Phlm 1).[/SIZE]

Phoebe - deacon of the church at Cenchreae (a port of Corinth) and benefactor of Paul, whom Paul recommends and who probably delivers Paul's letter to the Roman church[SIZE=-1] (Rom 16:1-2).[/SIZE]

Phygelus and Hermogenes - Christians in Asia Minor who later abandoned Paul [SIZE=-1](2Tim 1:15).[/SIZE]

Pudens - see Eubulus

Prisca - see Aquila

Quartus - Paul calls him "our brother," and conveys his greetings to the Christians in Rome [SIZE=-1](Rom 16:23).[/SIZE]

Secundus - a Christian from Thessalonica who accompanies Paul on his final journey to Jerusalem[SIZE=-1] (Acts 20:4).[/SIZE]

Silvanus [Silas] - a Christian "prophet" from Jerusalem who worked with Paul and Timothy during their initial preaching in Macedonia and Achaia (see section II above).

Simeon Niger - see Lucius of Cyrene

Simeon - another name for the apostle Simon Peter (Acts 15:14; cf. 2 Peter 1:1); see also Cephas

Sopater, son of Pyrrhus - a Christian from Beroea who accompanies Paul on his final journey to Jerusalem[SIZE=-1] (Acts 20:4).[/SIZE]

Sosipater - see Lucius

Sosthenes - an official of the Jewish synagogue at Corinth who becomes a Christian; Paul calls him a "brother" [SIZE=-1](1Cor 1:1; Acts 18:17).[/SIZE]

Stephen - one of seven Greek-speaking disciples chosen to serve the community in Jerusalem [SIZE=-1](Acts 6:1-6)[/SIZE]; he works miracles and preaches to other Jews[SIZE=-1] (6:8--7:57)[/SIZE]; Paul is present and evidently approves when Stephen is stoned to death[SIZE=-1] (Acts 7:58--8:1; cf. 11:19; 22:20)[/SIZE].

Stephanas - a Christian from Corinth; Paul's first convert in Achaia [SIZE=-1](1Cor 1:16, 16:15-18).[/SIZE]

Syntyche - see Euodia

Tertius - Paul's secretary, who sends his own greetings to the Christians in Rome: "I, Tertius, the writer of this letter, greet you in the Lord"[SIZE=-1] (Rom 16:22).[/SIZE]

Timothy - a convert of Paul, and his closest missionary companion (see section II above).

Titius Justus - a "worshiper of God" (Jewish proselyte) in whose house Paul stayed and preached in Corinth [SIZE=-1](Acts 18:7).[/SIZE]

Titus - another early missionary who worked very closely with Paul (see section II above).

Trophimus - a Christian from Ephesus in Asia who travels with Paul for a while [SIZE=-1](Acts 20:4; 21:29)[/SIZE]; Paul left him ill in Miletus[SIZE=-1] (2Tim 4:20).[/SIZE]

Tychicus - another traveling companion of Paul from Asia [SIZE=-1](Acts 20:4)[/SIZE]; Paul's messenger to the Ephesians, Colossians, and Titus, delivering news and encouragement[SIZE=-1] (Eph 6:21-22; Col 4:7-9; 2 Tim 4:12; Titus 3:12).[/SIZE]

Zenas - a lawyer whom Paul tells Titus to send along with Apollos, seeing "that they lack nothing" [SIZE=-1](Titus 3:13).[/SIZE]

dcontroversal · Dec 17, 2014

None of the scriptures you posted prove that someone went behind Paul immersing the people that Paul was preaching to.....NO not one!

kennethcadwell · Dec 17, 2014

dcontroversal said:

I am not lost for I repent and ask forgiveness of my sins when and if I have sin/sinned.

When a person is initially converted and repented only past and present sins are forgiven, not future.
There are many scriptures that show that, and 1 John shows a clear example of this by showing future sins have to be confessed ( asked forgiveness of ) to be forgiven.

kennethcadwell · Dec 17, 2014

dcontroversal said:

Some of those people the scriptures show that Paul either sent them out before he came to them, and some after he came to them. What other reason would they need to be sent then to fulfill all the gospel, and Paul was sent to preach as his fellow co-workers as he called them fulfilled the other parts of the ministry. And Paul did baptize some in water as Acts and 1 Corinthians shows.

Mitspa · Dec 17, 2014

Good post but missing the point..that clearly Paul did not teach that baptism saves but that faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ and to receive the Spirit if God (born again) by the Word of God. And any real study of Paul's epistles will prove that baptism is an outward display of an inward truth we have already received.

dcontroversal · Dec 17, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

I stand by my post....if it was so important it would say that they went behind Paul to immerse...it does not...guesses, surmising, hypothetical possibilities do not qualify as eternal truth.....NO verses that state that they went to immerse the men who Paul had preached to and if baptism was part of the salvation plan, Paul would have IMMERSED every convert he made...wake up Kenneth and smell the truth concerning immersion and quit following the Catholic dogma you was (sprinkled into)

dcontroversal · Dec 17, 2014

Mitspa said:

Good post but missing the point..that clearly Paul did not teach that baptism saves but that faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ and to receive the Spirit if God (born again) by the Word of God. And any real study of Paul's epistles will prove that baptism is an outward display of an inward truth we have already received.

Amen to this truth for sure......!

Mitspa · Dec 17, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

You know I believe that Paul had people to be baptized and probably many where after they was saved ....But to make up a group that cannot be shown in scripture to cover a error in doctrine is not the way one finds ands walks in the truth.

kennethcadwell · Dec 17, 2014

Mitspa said:

Yes, and Paul taught the same as James said that faith without works is dead.
Your faith will lead you to do the spiritual works commanded by the Lord Jesus, if those spiritual works are not performed in ones life they have a dead faith which does not lead to salvation. People want so hard to make works an ugly thing, but the bible says that those that are done for self or to earn are bad. Those that are done out of the love for Him are spiritual works done for spiritual growth and a part of a believers life. Lord Jesus constantly says those who believe in Him will show it in their actions, and those who don't their actions will show that to.
Then He also gives warnings so that if somebody tells us we only have to believe, but don't need to have works that show it then you are being falsely taught. Like telling people if you deny to help others, you deny Him. And those who tell people they don't have to forgive others, for He says we do, and if we don't we will not be forgiven of ours.
Then He also tells us exactly what it means to believe in Him, He says it is those who come and hear and then do what He said.

By all this we can see that a saving faith, will have repentance, confession, and yes baptism as a part of it. For they were all taught and commanded by the Lord, and we are told by Him if you love Him you will obey and keep these teachings/commands.

Finally water was part of the cleansing of the OT covenants, water was part of the baptism during John the baptist and Jesus earthly ministry, water was still part of baptism during the Acts of the apostles ( their ministry ). Peter, and Paul which are the main two used and did water in baptism.

[h=1]Acts 19:3-6[/h]3 And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John's baptism.” 4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.” 5 On hearing this, they were baptized in[a] the name of the Lord Jesus.6 And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, andthey began speaking in tongues and prophesying..

Paul says here that John's baptism in water was for the remission of sins, and the baptism in water that is done now is in the name of Jesus. Notice how after they were baptized, then Paul laid hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit.

Does Acts 2:38 mean we have to be baptized to get into Heaven? -Debate

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