Do you believe the words of Jesus to be true when he said Paul was a chosen vessel by Him to preach the gospel to the Nations. Also, do you believe these words of Paul to be true in Galatians 2:16
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
So how is it you did not answer anything in my post but turn it around on me?
OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
Quote one time where I said man was justified by works or that Paul didnt preach truth? (what I did say is that Paul like every other man that has ever lived made errors, and Yashua made no errors)
People misunderstand Paul and turn his words into licentiousness, for IT IS WRITTEN.
2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
None can enter in on their own merits that is why it is written;
John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."
Why is it that when I post the Messiah's words those taht accuse me will not breakdown HIS WORDS and throw out "justified by works" and "you dont believe Paul"
Do you believe the Messiah, I am beginning to think it is truly those who accuse with me that reject Scripture.
As surely as YHWH lives I ask that you give me a full breakdown of Revelation 12:17 & Revelation 22:12-15; OR you cease to accuse me and proclaim that you will not breakdown and share the bread of the words of Messiah with those that seek Messiah, but rather you use Paul in a false manner to "defeat" Messiah, because if you ignore HIS WORDS AND USE another words as a counter in practice which is reality that is what is happening.
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
and
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
Again, a simple yes or no answer to these 2 questions are required, do you believe
100% that these 2 statements are true?
Originally Posted by
InSpiritInTruth
Do you believe
the words of Jesus to be true when he said Paul was a
chosen vessel by Him to preach the gospel to the Nations. Also,
do you believe these words of Paul to be true in Galatians 2:16
"Knowing that a man
is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ,
and not by the works of the law: for by the
works of the law shall no flesh be
justified."
I already answered this in this thread and in a few others, I will re-quote my answer and evenclarify a bit. Yet I still have not recieved any reply to my question....
Quote one time where I said man was justified by works or that Paul didnt preach truth? (what I did say is that Paul like every other man that has ever lived made errors, and Yashua made no errors)
People misunderstand Paul and turn his words into licentiousness, for IT IS WRITTEN.
2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
Paul taught truth in, of about Messiah however you want to word it, his
knowledge of "OT" which he said "could make one wise unto Salvation" was beyond any of ours.
Here is the problem.
People misunderstand Paul and turn his words into licentiousness, for
IT IS WRITTEN.
and who ever does not follow in this misunderstanding is called "justified by works" "rejecting apostles" etc etc etc...
DO you know who Paul was? Most seem not to.
I believe It is those that think Paul taught not to follow the Law of the Creator is what is causing the error...
Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that
after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers,
believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."
Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind,
I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."
Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that
those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."
Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary,
I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."
Romans 7:12, "Therefore the
Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."
Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is
the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."
Galatians 3:13,(KJV) "Christ hath
redeemed us from the curse of the Law, being made a curse for us, for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangeth on a tree."
2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved,
knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the
enmity Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice--having
killed the enmity through Himself."
enmity is:
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
Feminine of G2190; hostility;
by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.
He abolished the hatred of the Law...
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because
the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
Romans 13:9-10, "For
the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and a
ll other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore
love is the fulfilling of the Law."
But every one accusing me would NEVER accept those Scriptures, and Im accused of "not accepting Scripture"
Yeah right.
None can enter in on their own merits that is why it is written;
John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."
Ecclesiastes 7:20
New International Version
Indeed, there
is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.
New Living Translation
Not a single person on earth is always good and never sins.
English Standard Version
Surely there
is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.
New American Standard Bible
Indeed,
there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins.
King James Bible
For
there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Romans 3:20, "For by works of the law no human being[SUP][/SUP] will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin."
Is justified and subject to the same thing?
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who
practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458
anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1)
the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Mattithyah 24:12, "And
because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
Exodus 20:6, "But showing
love to thousands who
love Me
by keeping My Laws."
Leviticus 19:18, "Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall
love your neighbor as yourself. I am Yahweh."
1 John (Yahchanan) 5:2-3, "By this we know that we
love the children of Yahweh: When we
love Yahweh
by keeping His Laws. For this is the
love of Yahweh:
That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Romans 13:9-10, "For
the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and
all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore
love is the fulfilling of
the law."
1 John (Yahchanan) 5:2-3, "By this we know that we
love the children of Yahweh: When we
love Yahweh
by keeping His Laws. For this is the
love of Yahweh:
That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
For you see there is only one
Standard of
LOVE.
That is why it is written:
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone
who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
Titus 1:16, "
They profess that they know Yahweh, but by their works they deny Him--being abominable, disobedient, and to every righteous work,
reprobate."
2 Timothy 3:5, "
Having a form of holiness, but denying the
authority of it--from such turn away!"
Isayah 5:20, "
Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
Romans 3:25
"Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in
his blood, to declare his righteousness for the
remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 2:4-12, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering;
not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”
James (Yaaqob) 2:12, "So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty."
Yeremyah 9:23-25, "This is what Yahweh says: Let not the wise glory in their wisdom, let not the mighty glory in their power, let not the rich glory in their riches;
But let those who glory, glorify in this--that he understands and knows Me, that I am Yahweh Who exercises lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness in the earth; for in this I delight, says Yahweh. Behold, the days come, says Yahweh: that
I will punish all those who are circumcised only physically, in their foreskins."
but you can also have a look at 119ministries' website because they are actually a good source to understand the Pauline doctrines.
