One Spirit One Body

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 22, 2015

What I want to show in this thread is that the Beast and the Harlot in the book of Revelation is united, and not only united by one spirit, but they both speak of many people, not just a single geographic location, or city, or even individual man yet to come in the future. The best way to show this is by looking at the opposite reflection of the True, which is the Church (Bride of the Lamb), and the Lamb, or Christ.

It is written in 1 Corinthians 12:27 “Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.” Here we see Paul refers to the Church as the Body of Christ, and there is a reason for this. We read in Ephesians 5:30-32[SUP] “[/SUP]For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.[SUP]31 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.[SUP]32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.”

And again in 1 Corinthians 12:12-14 “For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many.”

So if can grasp this, how One Spirit unites both the Church and the Lamb into one body, and is made up of many members gathered over the ages, then so also is the scarlet Beast and the Harlot united by one spirit, and also made up of many members.

1 Corinthians 6:16 “What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.”

And if the Bride of the Lamb is shown as the New heavenly Jerusalem and holy city, which is made up of many living stones, then you will also understand that the earthly Jerusalem (Harlot/ false tabernacle) is also made up of many dead stones, or many spiritually dead people; not some a brick and mortar city with a zip code.

Remember, the Holy Ghost teaches us to compare spiritual things with spiritual.

Daniel 7:11“I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.”

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 22, 2015

1 Corinthians 2:12 "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."

Ephesians 2:2 "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:"

Jon4TheCross · Jan 22, 2015

Right on brother.

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 23, 2015

I'm always glad when someone is able to receive the message.

sondra333 · Jan 23, 2016

This was indeed concerning my prayer.... Being the Body of Christ is that we are Christ therefore i will begin to speak only for me now in which i WAS a fornicator, adultress, lustful and if i were to choose to do these lewd acts again i am in HIS flesh now do you see why it is lewd? Same to be stated in regards to all sins, for to choose with our God given gift of free will after being called upon by Him for no man comes to God He calls us and thereby receiving His Son graciously and being baptised by the Holy Spirit...The Comforter, Helper, that the Son spoke of, and now standing a reborn new CREATURE in Christ to then sin now what is the creature in Christ? For we say that we are His body, which we know to be God in the flesh, we say that yea it is meat for us to be circumsion of the heart for He delights in writing His laws there, and making it tender does He not? And we say that yea it is meat for us to be cirumsion of the Spirit for it is our Helper and as we all dwell in the Lord so does He dwell in the Father thereby we all are One, and yet we are ignorant of the circumsion of the Flesh! For which God was in thru His Son in which WE dwell in and become one with the Father... did you consider that the reason that marriage was NOT God's intention but rather His infinite knowledge and given to us for this is why son shall leave father and mother and cleave unto his wife, and they TWO shall become one flesh? First why leave parents which to us is God the Heavenly Father?, now imagine the cleave unto his wife and "only" they two shall become one flesh...what did we do after the fall i might add when Adam knew Eve and they two became one flesh? We leave for who even in the pretenses of LOVE would want that in the Heavenly Father's Flesh? God in His infinite knowledge knew of what would occur after the fall but His TRUE intentions since we were to ultimately be partakers of God in the flesh His Son is what did the Lord say... But in heaven there will be no marriage for we will be given to each other like the angels in heaven and most believe that another thing which was due to our fall not the will of God is procreation will NOT BE NEEDED OR DESIRED in heaven, why? starting to understand why now He didn't intend these things and the necessity of circumsion of the flesh? for we are so quick to say the flesh is dead and that it will be cast into the oven and yet ignorantly forget that how could the flesh be dead and cast out when the Lord IS the God in the FLESH..is He dead or to be cast out? This was alot for me to consider so i will stop here, but if you would like to hear for instance the spirit of Fornication in my humble opinion is what God aborrs true i also believe it to be what unites the Harlot (or whore) and Beast (or Satan) please let me know if you would like to consider more as well.....thank you for hearing me out brethren and let us guide each other in His love GBU

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 23, 2016

There are a lot of awesome mysteries found in the words of the Lord, even concerning His own flesh and blood. Jesus said his flesh was meat, and his blood was drink, which if any man eat he shall have eternal life. Understanding the spiritual meaning of His words there are important, as it is also being able to discern the body of Jesus, and the spiritual communion we have in Him.

Here are a couple of posts that talk about His flesh=Word of God was made flesh. And the blood of His testimony in us.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/106290-bread-life.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/123667-washed-water-blood-word.html

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jan 23, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

There are a lot of awesome mysteries found in the words of the Lord, even concerning His own flesh and blood. Jesus said his flesh was meat, and his blood was drink, which if any man eat he shall have eternal life. Understanding the spiritual meaning of His words there are important, as it is also being able to discern the body of Jesus, and the spiritual communion we have in Him.

Here are a couple of posts that talk about His flesh=Word of God was made flesh. And the blood of His testimony in us.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/106290-bread-life.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/123667-washed-water-blood-word.html

I used to think that communion was about discerning the body of the lord himself. Now I think it means to discern his body on earth.

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 23, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Simply put, His Body is the bread to be broken, and the blood is His Testimony. Those who are in Christ have both these in them, and are to be broken and given to feed the multitudes. There are some real cool symbolisms found in the shew bread in the first tabernacle, in connection with the feeding of the multitudes by Jesus.

I wrote a study on the bread of His presence(Christ in us) and the shew bread (bread of memorial) but I didn't post it because I didn't think anyone here would be able to receive what it was I was saying in it.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jan 23, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

Simply put, His Body is the bread to be broken, and the blood is His Testimony. Those who are in Christ have both these in them, and are to be broken and given to feed the multitudes. There are some real cool symbolisms found in the shew bread in the first tabernacle, in connection with the feeding of the multitudes by Jesus.

I wrote a study on the bread of His presence(Christ in us) and the shew bread (bread of memorial) but I didn't post it because I didn't think anyone here would be able to receive what it was I was saying in it.

I probably will. I'd like to see it. It is IMO one of the two witnesses.

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 23, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

I didn't really complete it, but I'll drop down what I have so far, kind of long so I'll drop it down in 2 parts.

The Body broken
It is written in 1 Corinthians 12:27 “Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.” Have you pondered how we like the bread of His body were also meant to be humbled and broken in order to feed the multitudes? Jesus showed this in his own body…. “Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.” Jesus

Christ is that Manna come down from heaven, the Bread of Life, which is God’s Word of Life made flesh. And if we are enjoined in Christ by the Baptism of the Holy Spirit we also become bone of His bone, and flesh of His flesh as written….Ephesians 5:30-32

And if Christ truly dwells in you, and you in Christ, then you also become a part of that body having the Living Word of God dwelling in you. But like the Lord showed in His own body, we too are to become a living sacrifice, as we too are to be humbled and broken by the Lord our God. Peter learned this breaking and sifting process first hand after he denied the Lord 3 times, but was later converted by the renewing and anointing of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus would later ask Peter if he loved Him 3 times, which had to break Peter’s heart as I know it would of mine. But what was Jesus’ reply to Peter, after Peter told Jesus “you know I love you” Jesus said feed my sheep. And of course Jesus was not talking about feeding livestock here but rather the flock of the Lord. But how did Peter, and how do we feed His sheep? We take that bread which the Lord has blessed, broken and given to us, even that Living Bread which dwells in us and so we speak His words to feed the multitudes.

There is a deep mystery shown in the feeding of the multitudes by Jesus, which I won’t get into right now. But after the multitudes had come unto desert place the disciples asked Jesus to send them away for they had nothing to eat. But what really tickled me in this story was Jesus’ reply to his disciples saying, “you give them something to eat.”

Now I’m sure the disciples had no idea what Jesus was really talking about in the spiritual sense at the time, or even the true symbolism of the miracle He was about to perform. But we see the same sign of Jesus taking the bread and blessing it, and then the breaking the loaves of bread. Then we see Jesus giving that broken bread to his disciples in order to feed the multitudes.

In the 2 separate feedings the Lord would use a total of 12 loaves. These 12 represent the shewbread, or hollowed bread placed on the pure table in the OT, which was only lawful for the priesthood to eat. There were 12 loaves total, placed in 2 rows, 6 in each row…..

Leviticus 24:5-9 “And thou shalt take fine flour, and bake twelve cakes thereof: two tenth deals shall be in one cake.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And thou shalt set them in two rows, six on a row, upon the pure table before the Lord.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt put pure frankincense upon each row, that it may be on the bread for a memorial, even an offering made by fire unto the Lord.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the Lord continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And it shall be Aaron's and his sons'; and they shall eat it in the holy place: for it is most holy unto him of the offerings of the Lord made by fire by a perpetual statute.”

Now what is also interesting is how the word showbread or shewbread ( H6440) is used in the Hebrew, and it’s meaning, like bread of His presence.
The KJV translates Strongs H6440 in the following manner: before (1,137x), face (390x), presence (76x), countenance (30x), from (27x), person (21x), of (20x), ...me (18x), , ...him (16x), open (13x).

This opens up my mind to a lot of scriptures concerning seeing the Lords face, countenance and glory, and feeling His presence. Like the Lords presence dwelling in the midst of his people, which is Christ in us the Manna of God come down from heaven, the Bread of Life= Word of Life. What is also interesting is the mention of putting on the pure oil and frankincense on the bread for a memorial, just as Jesus said the Holy Spirit (anointing Oil) would bring all His words to your remembrance (for a memorial).

But by that same Living Manna, which is the presence of Living Word of God in us (Christ in us) we too can also feed the multitudes that same Bread of Life, which if a man receives and eats, he also shall live forever.(everlasting covenant)

John 6:51 “I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Continue next....

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 23, 2016

Often in the OT when making an offering with bread, the offering was to be broken as it was also with many of the animal sacrifices, which were to be cut into pieces symbolizing the body broken.

Exodus 29:17 “And thou shalt cut the ram in pieces, and wash the inwards of him, and his legs, and put them unto his pieces, and unto his head.”
Leviticus 1:6 “And he shall flay the burnt offering, and cut it into his pieces.”
Leviticus 2:6 “Thou shalt part it in pieces, and pour oil thereon: it is a meat offering.”
Leviticus 6:21 “In a pan it shall be made with oil; and when it is baken, thou shalt bring it in: and the baken pieces of the meat offering shalt thou offer for a sweet savour unto the Lord.”

Leviticus 2:1-10 “And when any will offer a meat offering unto the Lord, his offering shall be of fine flour; and he shall pour oil upon it, and put frankincense thereon:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he shall bring it to Aaron's sons the priests: and he shall take thereout his handful of the flour thereof, and of the oil thereof, with all the frankincense thereof; and the priest shall burn the memorial of it upon the altar, to be an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And the remnant of the meat offering shall be Aaron's and his sons': it is a thing most holy of the offerings of the Lord made by fire.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And if thou bring an oblation of a meat offering baken in the oven, it shall be unleavened cakes of fine flour mingled with oil, or unleavened wafers anointed with oil.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]And if thy oblation be a meat offering baken in a pan, it shall be of fine flour unleavened, mingled with oil.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Thou shalt part it in pieces, and pour oil thereon: it is a meat offering.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And if thy oblation be a meat offering baken in the fryingpan, it shall be made of fine flour with oil.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And thou shalt bring the meat offering that is made of these things unto the Lord: and when it is presented unto the priest, he shall bring it unto the altar.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the priest shall take from the meat offering a memorial thereof, and shall burn it upon the altar: it is an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And that which is left of the meat offering shall be Aaron's and his sons': it is a thing most holy of the offerings of the Lord made by fire.”

Matthew 21:44 “And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jan 23, 2016

I think this brokenness of the body is visible in the message to the church in Ephesus in Revelation. [Humble yourselves, i.e., be broken, and] remember from where you have fallen [i.e., from having the right to eat of the tree of life that Adam fell from in paradise] instead of thinking that many religious works will give you life, and look to the broken bread of life walking in your midst. The one who is overcoming eats of this tree of life in the midst of GOD's paradise.

Yet · Jan 23, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

Thats what i've been saying. People scorn me. We are not to walk according to the course or system of this world, according to satans first big mistake. Exalting himself above the congregation, Isaiah 14. Arrogance, pride.

Its not smoking, drinking, cussing, fornicating, stealing, lying, murder...those things cannot deceive the very elect!! But the clerical arrogance and avarice in the churches can....if possible.....the 'course of this fallen world'.

Matt.20 ' ...not so among you...'. The world's exalted course of authority.

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 23, 2016

In the first feeding of the multitudes 5 barley loaves are used, which the loaves to me represents the first harvest of the house of Israel. In John 6:9 we see this sign given when we are shown that these 5 loaves are made of barley. Also Jesus said in Matthew 15:24 that he was only sent unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel. I believe the 2 harvests of barley and wheat are symbolic of the Jews first and then also the Gentiles, a similitude of this is shown Exodus 9:31-32.

But the strange thing I find is, why did the Lord only show us 5 loaves used in the first feeding and not 6 instead? In Leviticus 24:5-6 we see the Lord told Moses to bake 12 loaves total, but he was set them in 2 rows of 6 in each row upon the pure table before the Lord. This to me represents the Body that was to be broken to feed the multitudes.

The fact that only 5 loaves were used in the first feeding I believe tells us that in this first feeding a portion would be cut-off between the 5th and 6th portion. I also believe that is why we see 7 loaves being used in the second feeding of the multitudes instead of 6, because Israel was to receive a double portion in Joseph, for the right of the firstborn went to Joseph. 1 Chronicles 5:1 This is also shown in the sealing of the 12,000 in Revelation with Joseph receiving a double portion in his firstborn Manasseh shown in Revelation 7:6.

One of the first signs of these 5 loaves is shown to us in 1 Samuel 21:3. David would require the 5 hallowed loaves that were under the hand of the priest Ahimelech, which was only lawful for the priests to eat. This is that same holy bread that was given as a commandment for Moses to bake.

If we go back to the account of the feeding of the 5,000 given in Mark 6:39-40 we see the 5,000 were commanded to sit down in groups of 100 and groups of 50. This grouping is also shown in the number and hiding of the prophets of the Lord in 1 Kings 18:4 “For it was so, when Jezebel cut off the prophets of the Lord, that Obadiah took an hundred prophets, and hid them by fifty in a cave, and fed them with bread and water.)”

This grouping can also be shown in 3, like with the hiding in of 3 measures. Matthew 13:33 "Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jan 23, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

I find this very interesting. The table of the bread of presence represents dominion and authority (headship), so the fact that David, who is a type of the headship of Christ, received 5 loaves, and the first feeding involved 5 loaves seems curious. Perhaps as you said elsewhere, to Israel (headship) first, then to the gentiles (the fullness).

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 23, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Yeah you see this dividing in several parts of scripture, like the divided kingdom of Israel and Judah both north and south. It was also shown in Jacob and his 2 camps.

Genesis 32:7
Then Jacob was greatly afraid and distressed: and he divided the people that was with him, and the flocks, and herds, and the camels, into two bands;

Also you see the mention of the spoils being divided by God to His High Priest, and He in turn also dividing them.

Isaiah 53:12
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

I believe the great refer to the great multitude (from all nations) and the strong being those given to the law giver from Judah, or the Lion of the tribe of Judah.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jan 23, 2016

Here's something to think about. The barley harvest sustained Israel until the wheat harvest 50 days later at Pentecost. The 50 days, of course, represent the 50-year jubilees, when complete freedom from all debts in Israel was effected. This 50-year period was the time that Israel had to wait in humility (symbolized by barley), until they were freed from bondage.

The number 5, of course, represents grace. So 5 loaves could mean being sustained by faith in grace in humility until power is received to be free. In David's case, the 5 loaves sustained him in his humiliating condition until... In the breaking of the 5 loaves by Jesus, the 5 loaves sustained Israel in its humiliating condition until...

The number 7, of course, represents the holy spirit, or perfection. At Pentecost, i.e., the true jubilee for Israel, the spirit was given who witnessed that all debts were cancelled and the captives were now set free from their sins. So in Jesus' case, the next feeding involved 7 loaves... And in David's case, I don't know. There may be some interesting event when David was crowned king that has the number 7 associated with it. I know he ruled over Hebron for 7 years before he ruled over a united Israel for 33 more years.

Magenta · Jan 23, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Weren't the Israelites big on seeing meaning in the numbers, with five signifying God's goodness and grace toward us, and seven showing completeness?

Added: I see HeRose has posted on numerical significance as well

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jan 23, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

Interesting. In the verse above, great means abundant (fullness), and strong means powerful (headship).

Great
H7227 רַב rab (rab) adj.
1. abundant (in quantity, size, age, number, rank, quality)

Strong
H6099 עָצוּם עָצוּם `atsuwm (aw-tsoom') (or matsum {aw-tsoom'}) adj.
1. powerful

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jan 23, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Here's something to think about. The barley harvest sustained Israel until the wheat harvest 50 days later at Pentecost. The 50 days, of course, represent the 50-year jubilees, when complete freedom from all debts in Israel was effected. This 50-year period was the time that Israel had to wait in humility (symbolized by barley), until they were freed from bondage.

The number 5, of course, represents grace. So 5 loaves could mean being sustained by faith in grace in humility until power is received to be free. In David's case, the 5 loaves sustained him in his humiliating condition until... In the breaking of the 5 loaves by Jesus, the 5 loaves sustained Israel in its humiliating condition until...

The number 7, of course, represents the holy spirit, or perfection. At Pentecost, i.e., the true jubilee for Israel, the spirit was given who witnessed that all debts were cancelled and the captives were now set free from their sins. So in Jesus' case, the next feeding involved 7 loaves... And in David's case, I don't know. There may be some interesting event when David was crowned king that has the number 7 associated with it. I know he ruled over Hebron for 7 years before he ruled over a united Israel for 33 more years.

Regarding this, David first ruled over his own house (Judah) for 7 years, then he ruled over all of Israel for 33 years. Maybe this has something to do with ruling over one's self before ruling over something greater?

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