I see alot of talk about Dr. Kent Hovind. I have noticed that the people who say he's a fraud say it because of his stand on Creation not because he stood up to the IRS. I am set to defend the gospel. I truly believe that the world is less then 6,000 years old and that is what the Bible clearly teaches, imo. Comments?
Young Earth Creation. Does it matter what you believe?
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But no one knows how long the six yoms were in Genesis. They were God's 'days' not men's. When they began the length of a yom had not been determined. Thus we can believe that God took as long as He liked. It was after all His decision.
what's a few billion years to God
The point about the creation story was why He created. Not when and how long,
what's a few billion years to God
The point about the creation story was why He created. Not when and how long,
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But no one knows how long the six yoms were in Genesis. They were God's 'days' not men's. When they began the length of a yom had not been determined. Thus we can believe that God took as long as He liked. It was after all His decision.
what's a few billion years to God
The point about the creation story was why He created. Not when and how long,
what's a few billion years to God
The point about the creation story was why He created. Not when and how long,
Originally Posted by valiant
But no one knows how long the six yoms were in Genesis. They were God's 'days' not men's. When they began the length of a yom had not been determined. Thus we can believe that God took as long as He liked. It was after all His decision.
what's a few billion years to God
The point about the creation story was why He created. Not when and how long,
what's a few billion years to God
The point about the creation story was why He created. Not when and how long,
it is a period of light which has an evening and a morning. Not a 24 hour day. Nowhere else in Scripture does an evening and a morning make a day.
If it had meant 24 hour days it would have said 'a night and a day'.
The first day certainly did not open with an evening. That is for sure. It began with darkest night and there had never been an evening. So the phrase is clearly not to be taken literally.
Furthermore the day as we know it was not established until the fourth yom. That is specifically stated.
So to suggest that the six yoms (periods of time) days are 24 hour days goes against what Genesis 1 teaches, and is simply an unfounded opinion based on being very slack with the Hebrew and unwarranted dogmatism. It is wishful thinking.
T
I dont thinknit is asticking point of theology. Both ways have good arguments supporting them and to be honest i dont care which it was. Either way God was great when he did it, and if i start to worry about it, i can ask God when i see him.
Pre-sun days as well for the first few.
Pre-sun days as well for the first few.
But no one knows how long the six yoms were in Genesis. They were God's 'days' not men's. When they began the length of a yom had not been determined. Thus we can believe that God took as long as He liked. It was after all His decision.
what's a few billion years to God
The point about the creation story was why He created. Not when and how long,
what's a few billion years to God
The point about the creation story was why He created. Not when and how long,
T
Although i dont care to argue and convince others one way or the other on this, my own reading has brought me to a progressive creationist view for the most part. il post some websites because in the websites ive read, there is a lot of strawmaning of the old earth view as well as sadly quite a bit of character attacks.
Old Earth Creation Science, Progressive Creationism
Progressive Creation: An Overview
Creation Science Rebuttals, Technical Journal, Biblical Genealogies
Old Earth Creation Science, Progressive Creationism
Progressive Creation: An Overview
Creation Science Rebuttals, Technical Journal, Biblical Genealogies
as for everything, we were in evening, and brought into day. the light shined in the darkness and took us into the morning.
in the place we are going, there will be no more night -- will eternity last more than 24 earth-hours?
so i see how that night and day are not always measured the way humans measure it. even carnally, it depends on which planet you are on, and even on a planet, it depends on the season and on the latitude you stand on. it's "night" at the north pole for 6 months at a time - is the Bible still true at the north pole? yes, it is.
what i believe about the details of creation is that i wasn't there, but one day i will know Him fully, and everything will be made plain.
in the place we are going, there will be no more night -- will eternity last more than 24 earth-hours?
There will be no more night.
They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun,
for the Lord God will give them light.
(Revelation 22:5)
They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun,
for the Lord God will give them light.
(Revelation 22:5)
so i see how that night and day are not always measured the way humans measure it. even carnally, it depends on which planet you are on, and even on a planet, it depends on the season and on the latitude you stand on. it's "night" at the north pole for 6 months at a time - is the Bible still true at the north pole? yes, it is.
what i believe about the details of creation is that i wasn't there, but one day i will know Him fully, and everything will be made plain.
I believe in a young earth. Here is what a friend of mine wrote. He also addresses the original poster's question.
The group he is associate director for, also has an article on this topic, it can be found here.
I hope these two pages help.
The group he is associate director for, also has an article on this topic, it can be found here.
I hope these two pages help.
what do you think of the notion that YEC as a popular dogmatic belief came directly from Ellen G. White?
here's about 6 pages of reading explaining the connection:
not that the idea completely originated with her, because both literal and allegorical interpretations of the Genesis "days" can be found in church writings going all the way back to 1st century AD. but as a dogma that should separate believers from "imposters" -- that's a relatively new thing that can be traced to Adventism and in particular to Mme White's visions.
here's about 6 pages of reading explaining the connection:
not that the idea completely originated with her, because both literal and allegorical interpretations of the Genesis "days" can be found in church writings going all the way back to 1st century AD. but as a dogma that should separate believers from "imposters" -- that's a relatively new thing that can be traced to Adventism and in particular to Mme White's visions.
well I for one don't accept his premisses. He is just making assumptions on the basis of his own presuppositions and reading in what he has been brought up to believe. There are clear indications in Genesis 1 that the yom are not natural days and nights. The very description evening and morning is very strange, especially as in Gen 1 Yom 1 HAS NO EVENING. It commences with total darkness,
Besides evening and morning is NOT a 24 hour day. it leaves out night time and afternoon. It is therefore more natural to see it as indicating beginning (morning) and ending (evening), especially as in Genesis 1 'yom' is defined as indicating a period of light.
Furthermore 24 hour days could not naturally be seen as commencing before the fourth yom. So the natural interpretation is to see the yoms as 'days of God'.
Thus in my view the idea of a 6 24 hour day creation IS NOT the natural interpretation of the passage, especially as we note that the seventh yom has no evening and morning, and is not said to end. And this is especially so as it is clear that the account has been built up on a very careful pattern to show preparation and completion
this should at least indicate to us that if we take the literal Hebrew it is open to question precisely what the account is saying. There is no one view that dots all the i's and crosses all the t's. we should therefore beware of slanging those who disagree with us.
Besides evening and morning is NOT a 24 hour day. it leaves out night time and afternoon. It is therefore more natural to see it as indicating beginning (morning) and ending (evening), especially as in Genesis 1 'yom' is defined as indicating a period of light.
Furthermore 24 hour days could not naturally be seen as commencing before the fourth yom. So the natural interpretation is to see the yoms as 'days of God'.
Thus in my view the idea of a 6 24 hour day creation IS NOT the natural interpretation of the passage, especially as we note that the seventh yom has no evening and morning, and is not said to end. And this is especially so as it is clear that the account has been built up on a very careful pattern to show preparation and completion
this should at least indicate to us that if we take the literal Hebrew it is open to question precisely what the account is saying. There is no one view that dots all the i's and crosses all the t's. we should therefore beware of slanging those who disagree with us.