Colossians 2:16-17 and Sabbath/Festival/New Moon Observance

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sparkman

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Colossians 2:16-17 is often used as a proof text by Sabbath and festival observers in regards to their assertions that believers must keep the weekly Sabbath and Holy Days.

I am a former Sabbath and festival keeper due to my association with Worldwide Church of God.

I remember asking my pastor about this section of Scriptures long ago. Primarily, my question was, if these verses prove that Sabbath and festival keeping is required for Christians, why wasn't the church observing New Moons? My question was met with silence. I was a young believer so I unfortunately dismissed the affair. However, this issue points to the factor of inconsistency amongst some who use this verse to assert that Sabbathkeeping still applies. If they do use it to prove Sabbathkeeping, do they use it also to prove festival observance and new moon observance?

I'd like to give my thoughts on Colossians 2 regarding this topic. Besides the analysis below, one must keep in mind that the Old Covenant is no longer applicable to New Covenant Christians. That is a separate study in itself. I highly recommend the book Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff on this topic and the topic of Sabbathkeeping.

Regarding Colossians 2:

The group that was teaching false things in Colossae was probably a group of Essene Jews who were mixing elements of the Old Covenant with other pagan beliefs.

The overall message of Colossians 2 is that believers are complete in Christ, and don't need to follow the teachings of these heretics to approach God. They didn't need any secret knowledge provided by these false teachers. They already had this knowledge in Christ (v. 1-4). Notice how the believers were "filled" or "complete" in Him (v. 10). Notice how they were spiritually circumcised("without hands"), by putting off the body of flesh, through him (v.11). Notice how we are made alive in Him through his death, burial and resurrection (v. 12-15).

You should notice the repetitive use of "in him" or similar references in this part of the chapter. The message was that the Colossians were already complete in Christ. They didn't need to be physically circumcised, and they didn't need any special spiritual knowledge offered by those claiming special insight in order to approach Christ.

If one views Colossians 2:16-17 in light of the fact that the preceding verses are talking about our completeness in Christ, as well as the following verses, one can see that these heretical teachers were attempting to bring the Colossians under control of their teachings. Part of their teachings included observance of the weekly Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moons.

Notice that these heretical teachers were attempting to restrict their behavior, and to bring the believers under control, all throughout the chapter. They were trying to enforce regulations upon them which didn't apply as they were already complete in Christ.
So, for Paul to mention the Sabbath, Holy Days, and Festivals as binding and required right in the middle of this context (as some Sabbath and festival observers use these verses) does not make sense. These heretics were trying to restrict behavior, not tell them they didn't have to do certain things anymore. Paul, on the other hand, was showing them that they were complete in Christ and did not have to approach God in this way, through asceticism, legalism, and all kinds of rules and regulations.

The context and behavior of these false teachers simply does not fit the assertion that Paul was claiming they needed to keep the Sabbath, Holy Days, and festivals. These teachers were being restrictive. They were not being permissive.

Note that Paul calls these things shadows. The Sabbath and Holy Days were mere shadows of Jesus Christ. Christians have the reality now. Why do they need the shadow? If they are saved, they have the living Christ indwelling them, in fact.

Here's a few additional comments in regards to this. Jews in the New Testament church did continue to observe some elements of the Old Covenant, but these were not required for Gentiles. Read Acts 21 to see where Jews observed elements of the law, including physical circumcision. This chapter infers that such things were not expected of Gentile Christians, due to the ruling in Acts 15. Why did Jews continue to observe these things? I believe it was because they were comfortable with the lifestyle, and they also had witness value. Keeping the festivals and Sabbaths allowed them to continue to interface with their unreached family members. In addition, doing some things would have negated their witness to fellow Jews.

A similar analogy would be if I was a missionary in a Muslim country and walked around with a beer and a ham sandwich in my hand all the time. Those things would be offensive to Muslims. I probably wouldn't get to first base explaining the Gospel message to them. No, I would defer my freedom to do such things in order to maintain my witness with them, even if I had perfect freedom to do those things.

Galatians, in particular, dealt with the topic of Judaizers, who would follow behind Paul and attempt to enforce elements of the Old Covenant upon Gentiles. Paul calls them "dogs" in Philippians 3. And, by that he did not mean nice puppy dogs like we have. He meant vile, filthy, mangy creatures who were always causing trouble.

Some Sabbathkeepers will point to the fact that Jesus kept the Sabbath and Holy Days. Yes, he did. He also was circumcised and that isn't required for me either. He was a Jew under the Old Covenant. In fact, he fulfilled the Law and every prophecy regarding Him.

Some Sabbathkeepers will point to the fact that the apostle Paul kept the Sabbath and Holy Days. Again, Paul was a Jew, and he witnessed to Jews. He went to the synagogues on the Sabbath to reach unsaved Jewish people. In addition, Christians themselves went to the synagogues on the Sabbath. They often met in the synagogues to hear the Scriptures read on the Sabbath, and then met also on Sunday to discuss them from a Christian context. They did not have ready access to the Scriptures today like we do; in many cases they had to go to the synagogue to hear them read.

After heavy Jewish persecution of Christians in about 90 AD, Christians were forced to leave the synagogues. They continued to meet on Sunday as they had been doing before. The vast majority were already meeting on Sunday prior to Constantine's edict concerning Sunday observance in the 300's, despite the assertions of Sabbathkeepers on this topic.

Why does this topic make any difference? The focus of many Sabbathkeepers is not on Jesus Christ and salvation by grace through faith in Him and his sacrifice. It is also about adding irrelevant conditions to the salvation that is a free gift through Jesus Christ.

A fundamental issue concerning this topic is the difference between faith righteousness and works righteousness. As a Sabbathkeeper, I was definitely leaning toward the works righteousness side. I didn't even really understand what the word grace meant. I continually heard sermons about Faith vs. Works, but none about God's grace. Jesus becomes, at best, a back burner issue with many who are caught up in the whole Old Covenant law message.
 
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Biblelogic01

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Is chastizing feast/sabbath observance your calling? Because it sure does look like it, that's aaaaaall you talk about. Maybe you feel convicted about something and needs some ministry and healing on it. I understand where you may be coming from because I too at one point was victim to being a part of a group that abuses Torah and it's teachings. Now when I left I did not take it out on scripture, and I did not take it out on that group as it looks like you are doing. I went to the Lord and got ministry and healing for the spiritual wounds it had caused. I was too at a point where I wanted to bash on the sabbath and feasts, but I after I got through the healing process I no longer had a desire to do so and my heart was openned up to something new as far as sabbath and feast observance and the way I looked at them.

Overall I've seen on threads where someone is going towards sabbath or feats observance, and the orginal posts technically hasn't brought it up, you come in and state "oh this is going to be one of those posts".

You putting up posts like this is a magnet for people like that to come in and argue.

And the people who put up posts trying to argue feast observance is a magent for people like you to come into argue.

I've seen both sides of this and it's sad.

Reguardless, hopefully both sides of the discussions are believers. And if so, let's look at what our Lord says.

Mark 3:24-25
[SUP]24 [/SUP]If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

And if there is a thread I come across as far as repeated non-sabbath/non-feast observance bashing, I'm going to post the same thing.
 

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Is chastizing feast/sabbath observance your calling? Because it sure does look like it, that's aaaaaall you talk about. Maybe you feel convicted about something and needs some ministry and healing on it. I understand where you may be coming from because I too at one point was victim to being a part of a group that abuses Torah and it's teachings. Now when I left I did not take it out on scripture, and I did not take it out on that group as it looks like you are doing. I went to the Lord and got ministry and healing for the spiritual wounds it had caused. I was too at a point where I wanted to bash on the sabbath and feasts, but I after I got through the healing process I no longer had a desire to do so and my heart was openned up to something new as far as sabbath and feast observance and the way I looked at them.

Overall I've seen on threads where someone is going towards sabbath or feats observance, and the orginal posts technically hasn't brought it up, you come in and state "oh this is going to be one of those posts".

You putting up posts like this is a magnet for people like that to come in and argue.

And the people who put up posts trying to argue feast observance is a magent for people like you to come into argue.

I've seen both sides of this and it's sad.

Reguardless, hopefully both sides of the discussions are believers. And if so, let's look at what our Lord says.

Mark 3:24-25
[SUP]24 [/SUP]If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

And if there is a thread I come across as far as repeated non-sabbath/non-feast observance bashing, I'm going to post the same thing.

I don't think Sparkman is criticizing any observance. I think he is challenging the false teaching that such observances are mandatory.
 
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Biblelogic01

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I don't think Sparkman is criticizing any observance. I think he is challenging the false teaching that such observances are mandatory.
It comes across as criticizing to me.
On both sides of the wall it comes off as criticizing.
Because if someone does a thread on teaching Torah, just for the sake of teaching it (not enforcing it, but teaching), or if someone does a thread against Torah. That person is immediately jumped on and is told they a wrong in their doings.
I've seen both ways and it's sickenning.
 
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sparkman

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My reasoning on this issue is correct, and some individuals here do have an agenda.

Regarding Sabbath, festivals, and clean/unclean meats, I am fine with individuals observing those things, if they don't try to impose them on others. However, many such individuals are teaching that they are conditions or requirements or necessary fruits of salvation.

It comes across as criticizing to me.
On both sides of the wall it comes off as criticizing.
Because if someone does a thread on teaching Torah, just for the sake of teaching it (not enforcing it, but teaching), or if someone does a thread against Torah. That person is immediately jumped on and is told they a wrong in their doings.
I've seen both ways and it's sickenning.
 
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sparkman

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An additional comment to add to this post:

Hebrews 10:1-2 refers to the other elements of the ceremonial and ritualistic laws which are done away with in the following manner

Heb 10:1-2 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered year by year, make perfect those who draw near. Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any conscience of sins?

These verses call the animal sacrifices a shadow. The same language is used with regards to Colossians 2:16-17 with regards to the Sabbath and holy days. The subsequent verses in this chapter identifies the Reality which was behind the shadow:

Heb 10:5-10 Consequently when Christ came into the world, he said "Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me; in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. Then I said, Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book." When he said above, "You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings" (these are offered according to the law), then he added "Behold I have come to do your will." He does away with the first in order to establish the second. And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all".

To connect the dots, my assertion is that Colossians 2:16-17 uses similar language with regards to the Sabbath and Holy Days, calling them "shadows", as Hebrews 10:1-2 uses in regards to animal sacrifices. Animal sacrifices are no longer required, as they are part of the ceremonial and ritualistic elements of the Old Covenant. Animal sacrifices, the Sabbath, and the Holy Days all pointed to Jesus Christ. There is a relationship between all of these things, in terms of grouping them under the category of ceremonial and ritualistic elements of the Old Covenant.

Obviously there are moral absolutes that are included in the Old Covenant which apply to everyone through all time, even before the Old Covenant was made. In fact, these moral absolutes, I believe, are embedded on our conscience per Romans 2.12-18. But the Sabbath and Holy days are not part of those moral absolutes.

Some may say that the festivals reflect a sequence of events which are to happen and that sequence hasn't been fulfilled yet.

However, the interpretation of the meaning of those days vary amongst those who hold that they need to be kept. For instance, some believe that the Feast of Tabernacles refer to the Incarnation; that God came to dwell with us as a man, which already happened (my view). Some claim that they refer to the Millennial reign of Christ, which is yet to happen.

Some think that the Day of Atonement refers to two different aspects of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross, which has already been accomplished (my view). Some think that the Day of Atonement pointed to both Christ's sacrifice and the impartation of mankind's sin on the other goat which occurs when Satan is cast into the bottomless pit.

I extremely object to this view because it makes Satan into our sin-bearer and Jesus Christ is the one who bore our sins and carried them away (I Peter 2:24). Note that Jesus "suffered outside the camp" as Hebrews 13:12 said, and leading the goat into the wilderness perfectly corresponds to that element of the crucifixion events. The symbology behind Leviticus 16 definitely points toward two aspects of Christ's sacrifice, and not the eschatological interpretation that Sabbath/festival observers give to it, where our sins are imputed to Satan and he is cast in the bottomless pit. He will be cast there, but he will not bear our sins. Christ already did that.

At any rate, the fact that Colossians 2:16-17 uses the language of "shadow" in reference to the Sabbath and Holy Days, and Hebrews 10:1-2 uses the same language in regards to animal sacrifices, is very revealing. It is a statement of the relative value of these observances, and associates them both with ceremonial and ritualistic elements of the Old Covenant.
 

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I remember asking my pastor about this section of Scriptures long ago.
Primarily, my question was, if these verses prove that Sabbath and festival keeping
is required for Christians, why wasn't the church observing New Moons?
My question was met with silence. I was a young believer so I unfortunately dismissed the affair.
that is easy to answer in the bible, there is A future time.

Isa 66:23 And it shall [come to pass],
that from one new moon to another, and from one [sabbath] to another,

-first If the Sabbath done away, why is it even mentioned,an event not happened yet?

-Isreal did not use a solar calendar as we do today, they where given by God and
used instead a lunar calendar that God goes by, as indicated in Psa 104:19


He appointed [the moon for seasons]: the sun knoweth his going down.

-saying one new moon to another is like saying one month to another
or one year to another, also it does [not] say they worshiped every new moon.

but from one season to another shall all flesh come to worship before me,....
or from one sabbath to another, a time frame, not a moon worship.

-here it says not "Jewish flesh", it says "ALL flesh" will worship on the Sabbath.

shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

-but we read why and how it was changed, in many places of the beast system.

we read God will do nothing without first telling beforehand through his prophets

And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out [the saints] of the most High,

and think to change times and laws:
and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

-we follow roman calanders that changed the days, months years, seasons and [tradations]

-in the future world to come

The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light
unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
 
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sparkman

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It's mentioned because it's part of the ceremonial and ritualistic laws mentioned in Colossians 2:16-17. Hebrews 10:1-2 uses the same language of "shadows" to apply to animai sacrifices that Colossians 2:16-17 uses to describe the Sabbath and Holy Days.

The Prophets viewed things through the lense of the Old Covenant. They were describing a return to the worship of God in language that their audience understood.

Quit following the teachings of a blasphemous man who claimed mankind was in the process of becoming a God.

that is easy to answer in the bible, there is A future time.

Isa 66:23 And it shall [come to pass],
that from one new moon to another, and from one [sabbath] to another,

-first If the Sabbath done away, why is it even mentioned,an event not happened yet?

-Isreal did not use a solar calendar as we do today, they where given by God and
used instead a lunar calendar that God goes by, as indicated in Psa 104:19


He appointed [the moon for seasons]: the sun knoweth his going down.

-saying one new moon to another is like saying one month to another
or one year to another, also it does [not] say they worshiped every new moon.

but from one season to another shall all flesh come to worship before me,....
or from one sabbath to another, a time frame, not a moon worship.

-here it says not "Jewish flesh", it says "ALL flesh" will worship on the Sabbath.

shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

-but we read why and how it was changed, in many places of the beast system.

we read God will do nothing without first telling beforehand through his prophets

And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out [the saints] of the most High,

and think to change times and laws:
and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

-we follow roman calanders that changed the days, months years, seasons and [tradations]

-in the future world to come

The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light
unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
 

prove-all

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God doesn't change, but the way he works with men over time does change. For instance, no one with much Scriptural understanding claims that physical circumcision and animal sacrifices apply. So, the idea that God's expectations of mankind in terms of obedience doesn't change over time is unbiblical.
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-God does not change

circumcise is now of the heart.

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands,
in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing,
but the keeping of the commandments of God.

1What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

-no animal sacrifices,we are now required to be a living sacrifice .

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,
that ye [present your bodies a living sacrifice], [holy], acceptable unto God,
which is your reasonable service.

-Isaiah 56:6-8 6, does not say animals but will be [present your bodies a living sacrifice]

Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him,
and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth
the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

7Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer:
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar;
for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

-you wish to become a priest, but profane what God calls holy.

Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, [an holy priesthood],
to offer up [spiritual sacrifices], acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name
[better than of sons and of daughters]: I will give them an everlasting name,
that shall not be cut off.

- did the law become bad
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

-he will magnify the law, not do away.

The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

- what does the wisest man on earth say
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments:
for this is the whole duty of man.

- John says
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments:
and his commandments are not grievous.



Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all
my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
 

prove-all

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It's mentioned because it's part of the ceremonial and ritualistic laws mentioned in Colossians 2:16-17. Hebrews 10:1-2 uses the same language of "shadows" to apply to animai sacrifices that Colossians 2:16-17 uses to describe the Sabbath and Holy Days.

The Prophets viewed things through the lense of the Old Covenant. They were describing a return to the worship of God in language that their audience understood.

Quit following the teachings of a blasphemous man who claimed mankind was in the process of becoming a God.
- SO YOU BELIEVE THIS DID NOT HAPPEN

And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out [the saints] of the most High,

and think to change times and laws:
and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
 

prove-all

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It's mentioned because it's part of the ceremonial and ritualistic laws mentioned in Colossians 2:16-17..
YOURE QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE MOON, WHY IS IT in that verse.

It does not say at all they held a sacrifice on the new moon.

lets let the bible tell us, and it says that in


psalms 104:19He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.


from one new moon to another is a time frame, not a sacrifice
 

prove-all

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To connect the dots, my assertion is that Colossians 2:16-17 uses similar language with regards to the Sabbath and Holy Days, calling them "shadows", .
youre assumption would be wrong, at this point in time of Colossians Jesus allready was risen ,

how can a sabbaths be a shadow of things to come, but refer to something in the past.

sorry but things to come is future tense


also several places in the bible calls some sabbaths
a memorial [not a shadow]
 
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sparkman

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youre assumption would be wrong, at this point in time of Colossians Jesus allready was risen ,

how can a sabbaths be a shadow of things to come, but refer to something in the past.

sorry but things to come is future tense


also several places in the bible calls some sabbaths
a memorial [not a shadow]
Scripture calls the Sabbath and Holy Days "shadows", just like Hebrews 10:1-2 calls animal sacrifices "shadows".

Your argument is with Scripture. You'd rather believe Herbert Armstrong than God.
 
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sparkman

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YOURE QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE MOON, WHY IS IT in that verse.

It does not say at all they held a sacrifice on the new moon.

lets let the bible tell us, and it says that in


psalms 104:19He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.


from one new moon to another is a time frame, not a sacrifice
Do you observe new moons? If not, then why are you not consistent? Col 2:16-17 mentions Sabbaths, New Moons and annual festivals. If you observe 2 of the 3, why not all 3? You're being inconsistent.
 
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sparkman

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Yes, and Christ is our spiritual Sabbath. We rest in Him.

Matt 11:28-30 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

-God does not change

circumcise is now of the heart.

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands,
in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing,
but the keeping of the commandments of God.

1What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

-no animal sacrifices,we are now required to be a living sacrifice .

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,
that ye [present your bodies a living sacrifice], [holy], acceptable unto God,
which is your reasonable service.

-Isaiah 56:6-8 6, does not say animals but will be [present your bodies a living sacrifice]

Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him,
and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth
the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

7Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer:
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar;
for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

-you wish to become a priest, but profane what God calls holy.

Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, [an holy priesthood],
to offer up [spiritual sacrifices], acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name
[better than of sons and of daughters]: I will give them an everlasting name,
that shall not be cut off.

- did the law become bad
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

-he will magnify the law, not do away.

The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

- what does the wisest man on earth say
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments:
for this is the whole duty of man.

- John says
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments:
and his commandments are not grievous.



Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all
my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
 

prove-all

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Do you observe new moons? If not, then why are you not consistent? Col 2:16-17 mentions Sabbaths, New Moons and annual festivals. If you observe 2 of the 3, why not all 3? You're being inconsistent.
again no where is it said a new moon is celebrated.

God gave the moon for us to tell seasons,

from one new moon to another again a time frame, not a feast .
 

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Yes, and Christ is our spiritual Sabbath. We rest in Him.

Matt 11:28-30 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
entering rest

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering
into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

-how did they came short?

Heb 4:2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us,
even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them,
because it was not united by (faith) with them that heard.

-they did not have faith.

Heb 4:3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest;even as
he hath said, As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest:
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he hath said somewhere of the seventh day on this wise,
And God rested on the seventh day from all his works;

-notice entering into that rest is connected with the seventh day.
Heb 4:5 and in this place again, They shall not enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some should enter thereinto,
and they to whom the good tidings were before preached
failed to enter in because of disobedience,

-God said they will not enter His rest, but they failed because of disobedience.
the 7th day Sabbath command.

Heb 4:7 he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying in David
so long a time afterward (even as hath been said before),
To-day if ye shall hear his voice, Harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.

-David said "today" long after Joshua took them into the promised land
so thus proving that there is a rest still to be entered.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest,
that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.

-A rest remains, but notice the issue is do not disobey.

Heb 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle
which is called the Holy of holies;
Heb 9:4 having a golden altar of incense, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about
with gold, wherein was a golden pot holding the manna, and Aaron's rod that budded,
and the tables of the covenant;

-the pot of manna was put in the most Holy

Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which Jehovah thy God hath led thee
these forty years in the wilderness, that he might humble thee, to prove thee, to know
what was in thy heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or not.
Deu 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna,
which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man
doth not live by bread only, but by everything that proceedeth out of the mouth of Jehovah doth man live.
God tested them for 40 years to humble them to see what was in their hearts.
that they should live by every word (10 commandments spoken by Gods own mouth)
not by bread alone.

-what did the bread teach?

Exo 16:4 Then said Jehovah unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you;
and the people shall go out and gather a day's portion every day, that I may prove them,
whether they will walk in my law, or not.
Exo 16:5 And it shall come to pass on the sixth day, that they shall prepare that which
they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

-and how long did God prove them with the manna?

Exo 16:32 And Moses said, This is the thing which Jehovah hath commanded, Let an omerful of it be kept throughout your generations, that they may see the bread wherewith I fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt.
Exo 16:33 And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a pot, and put an omerful of manna therein, and lay it up before Jehovah, to be kept throughout your generations.
Exo 16:34 As Jehovah commanded Moses, so Aaron laid it up before the Testimony, to be kept.
Exo 16:35 And the children of Israel did eat the manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited; they did eat the manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.

-40 years. this is the issue being spoken of in Hebrews:

Heb 3:16 For who, when they heard, did provoke? nay, did not all they
that came out of Egypt by Moses?
Heb 3:17 And with whom was he displeased forty years?
was it not with them that sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest,
but to them that were disobedient?
Heb 3:19 And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:4-10 "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise,
And God did rest the seventh day from all his works [Gen. 2:2-3].
And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth
that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in
because of unbelief [sound familiar?]: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David,
To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest [see below] to the people of God. For he that is entered
into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."

rest (G4520) sabbatismos
1. a keeping sabbath
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians
from a derivative of G4521

(G4521) sabbaton
1. the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
1a. the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
1b. a single sabbath, sabbath day
2. seven days, a week
of Hebrew origin H7676

(H7676) shabba^th
1. Sabbath
1a. sabbath
1b. day of atonement
1c. sabbath year
1d. week
1e. produce (in sabbath year)
intensive from H7673

(7673) sha^bath
1. to cease, desist, rest
1a. (Qal)
1a-1. to cease
1a-2. to rest, desist (from labour)
1b. (Niphal) to cease
1c. (Hiphil)
1c-1. to cause to cease, put an end to
1c-2. to exterminate, destroy
1c-3. to cause to desist from
1c-4. to remove
1c-5. to cause to fail
2. (Qal) to keep or observe the sabbath
a primitive root


Genesis 2:2-3 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God
blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from
all his work which God created and made."

The LORD created the seventh day (Sabbath), blessed and sanctified it
"because that in it he had rested from all his work".

-once God has blessed something, can it be undone?

Numbers 23:19-20 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall
he not make it good? Behold, I have received commandment to bless:
and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it."

Here Balaam tells Balak that the LORD gave him a commandment to bless Israel.
He told Balak that what the LORD has blessed, he cannot reverse it.
Do we think we can reverse the blessing the LORD has placed on something?

1 Chronicles 17:26-27 "And now, LORD, thou art God, and hast promised this goodness
unto thy servant: Now therefore let it please thee to bless the house of thy servant, that it may
be before thee for ever: for thou blessest, O LORD, and it shall be blessed for ever."
 

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In the seventh chapter of the book of Daniel is an amazing prophecy picturing for 2,500 years into the future, from the day it was written, the course of the Gentile kingdoms.

Starting with the ancient Chaldean Empire of Nebuchadnezzar, this prophecy foretells the successive world rule of the Persian Empire, Alexander’s Greco-Macedonian kingdom with its four divisions, and finally, of the mighty Roman Empire. Out of the original Roman Empire, symbolized by 10 “horns” growing out of the head of a “beast,” are pictured the 10 resurrections of the Roman Empire that have continued since its fall to the present, and are scheduled to continue until the coming of Christ.

Among these 10 kingdoms which have ruled in the Western world since the fall of Rome to the present, appeared another “little horn,” whose “look was more stout than his fellows.” In other words, another government, actually smaller, yet dominating over all the others. Students of prophecy recognize this “little horn” as a great religious hierarchy. And in the 25th verse of this prophecy, it is stated that this hierarchy shall “think to change times and laws.”

How Time Was Changed
This same power is mentioned again in the 17th chapter of Revelation, here pictured as ruling over the kings and kingdoms of the Earth, persecuting the true saints.

In every possible manner, this power has changed time!
God begins the days at sunset, but “the little horn” has changed it so the world now begins the day in the middle of the night by a man-made watch.

God begins the week with the ending of the true Sabbath, the seventh day of the week, but the world begins the working week in the middle of the night, the second day of the week.

God begins the months with the new moons, but this “little horn” has induced the world to begin the months according to a clumsy man-made calendar of heathen origin.

God begins the year in the early spring, when new life is budding in nature everywhere, but ancient heathen Rome caused the world to begin the year in the middle of dead winter.

God gave His children a true rest day, designed to keep them continually in the knowledge and true worship of the true God—a memorial of God’s creation—the seventh day of the week. But the “little horn” has fastened upon a deluded world the observance of the days on which the pagans worshipped the sun, the first day of the week, called Sunday.
 

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Pagan Origins
Ancient Rome’s pagan holidays have been chained upon a heedless and deceived world. These include certain annual holidays—Christmas, New Year’s, Easter, as well as many more, every one a pagan day—every one used to stimulate the sale of merchandise in the commercial markets. Upon honest investigation, the earnest seeker after truth learns that these days are all of heathen origin and pagan significance. He learns that he should have no part in them.

But is the Christian of today left without any annual holy days? Did God never give to His people annual holy days, as well as the weekly Sabbath? Are not ancient Rome’s annual holidays mere counterfeits of God’s true holy days, exactly as Sunday is a counterfeit of the true Sabbath?

Banishing Prejudice
Let us honestly open our Bibles, and prayerfully investigate. We are told to study—not argue, not to refute, but—to show ourselves approved unto God—to learn God’s will. We are commanded, as Christians, to grow in knowledge as well as in grace (2?Peter 3:18). All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable to correct and to reprove us, where we have, through assumption, false teaching or prejudice, been in error.

Most people have supposed that all the annual sabbaths and feast days of Israel were done away. And yet Church history shows that the early true Church did, for more than 400 long years at least—perhaps much longer—after Christ’s resurrection, continue to keep and observe these annual holy days given by God!

And just as the Sunday observer is inclined to look, at first, upon any argument for the weekly Sabbath with prejudice—as a heresy—and to examine every argument only in an attitude of attempting to refute it, so it will be only human—only natural for us, if we are not on our guard against it, to look upon any presentation of these annual sabbaths in the same spirit of prejudice.

But remember that “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him” (Proverbs 18:13).


Prior to the Law of Moses
In the 12th chapter of Exodus, while the children of Israel were still in Egypt—long before any of the law of Moses had been given—prior to the time when God revealed to Moses and the Israelites He would make the Old Covenant with them—we find God’s annual holy days being observed.

The Purpose of Holy Days
Now in like manner, when God gave His Church seven annual sabbaths, God, in His wisdom, had a great purpose. These days, too, were given to keep God’s children in the true memory and worship of God by keeping us constantly in the understanding of God’s great plan of redemption. For these annual days picture the different epochs in the plan of spiritual creation—mark the dispensations, and picture their meaning.

The whole story of spiritual regeneration was, in these feast days, to be reenacted year after year continually.
They have vitally important symbolism and meaning.

Such arguments as “The annual sabbaths are part of the law of Moses,” or “they offered sacrifices
on the annual sabbaths,” or “Colossians 2:16 does away with the annual sabbaths,” are not scriptural.

For the annual sabbaths were not part of the law of Moses, but were observed before the ritualistic ordinances
contained in the law of Moses were given. Sacrifices were offered on the weekly Sabbath, but this does not do
away with the Sabbath. In fact, sacrifices were offered on every day of the year (Numbers 28:3).

Colossians 2:16 refers not alone to the annual sabbaths, but to the annual days, the monthly new moons, and the weekly Sabbath. Whenever the Bible uses the expression “sabbath days” with new moons and holy days, it is referring to the weekly Sabbath days, the new moons and the annual holy days or feast days. The “sabbath days” of Colossians 2:16 refers to the weekly Sabbath. Compare 1Chronicles 23:31 with 2?Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezra 3:5; Nehemiah 10:33 and Ezekiel 46:3.

If Colossians does away with the one, it also abolishes the other.