Is the Devil bound right now...?
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They do so every day. As Jesus said 'neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father --- God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth'. And where do they worship Him in Spirit and in truth? In the new Jerusalem, the Jerusalem which is above (Gal 4.26; Heb 12.20-22). There we enter into the Holiest by the blood of Jesus and come into the very presence of God (Heb 10.19 ff), We are risen with Christ and seek those things which are above where Christ is seated at the right hand of God (Col 3.1). We share His throne where He lives and reigns with His saints (Eph 2.5-6). We live in the heavenlies, even whilst our bodies are on earth. We live in the Jerusalem above which is our mother.
Come and join us. Cease to be hidebound by physical ideas.
Jesus constantly brings famine and drought on those who do not fear His Name. Just read the news!!!! Or don't you think He is in control?
Come and join us. Cease to be hidebound by physical ideas.
Jesus constantly brings famine and drought on those who do not fear His Name. Just read the news!!!! Or don't you think He is in control?
The early Church prior to the 2nd century were pure Millenialists. Amillenialism began in the 2nd century, and I think with the establishing of the western Christian nations many more began accepting that as proof. But look at the western Christian nations today with many having fallen away from Christ, especially among our nation's leadership.
But now I think Amillenialism has become a useful tool for those who seek to deceive us away from Bible prophecy about the end of this world, and instead try to get us to accept their NWO.
But now I think Amillenialism has become a useful tool for those who seek to deceive us away from Bible prophecy about the end of this world, and instead try to get us to accept their NWO.
Pity no one told Jesus and Paul and Peter about it. They seem to have missed out. Not a breath about the millennium with any of them.
Rubbish. Not a single item of proof.
yes its happening under your nose in premillennial America
LOL LOL LOL you do make me laugh It is premillennialism which is the great deceiver invented in the 19th century by Satan. And what does it do. It makes men concentrate of the physical and miss what is spiritual.
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lol.. So satan is more powerful than God?
In your slipshot mind Israel should never have been a nation and Christ would never have been born.
Nope. he is no more bound today, then he was in the OT.. He will never have power over the church. So if your reasoning is only this, then satan has been bound since God chose and formed the nation of Israel.
that's your belief not mine. Satan is under God's present restraint and that is why he is limited in what he can do.
you do tend to get childish in your criticisms lol you should go back to infant sunday school.
well in a sense he was. He could only attack Job with God's permission.
But your folly is revealed in the fact that outside Israel the whole world was in darkness. Why? Because in their case Satan was not bound. With regard to Israel he was restrained. Indeed he is only referred to twice concerning Israel in OT.
you should read the Scriptures and not listen to your church leaders who are deceived. Then you would have more power and enjoy more the presence of God in the Jerusalem which is above.
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It has been that way since adam and eve first sinned. (He had to get permission to go after job, or did you forget)
So your point?
Your the one who used childish things, I just returned the favor to you
Ah yes, See, So nothign is different
lol.. He was restained ony for isreal? Tell israel that, Every heard of syria, babylon, media persia, and rome??
not to mention, the kings of the east, and ninevah..
You should study more. you are learned from your men, not scripture.. I trust no man to tell me what to believe,
So your point?
Your the one who used childish things, I just returned the favor to you
Ah yes, See, So nothign is different
lol.. He was restained ony for isreal? Tell israel that, Every heard of syria, babylon, media persia, and rome??
not to mention, the kings of the east, and ninevah..
You should study more. you are learned from your men, not scripture.. I trust no man to tell me what to believe,
your problem is that you see Satan in everything. The great empires did not act as they did because of Satan. They did it because of their own greed. But you may note if you read the OT carefully how often Israel were DELIVERED from them.
Anyone who read the OT knows that Satan is hardly involved (although his minions are).
But then you people read into Scripture whatever you want. Why bother with the facts?
Anyone who read the OT knows that Satan is hardly involved (although his minions are).
But then you people read into Scripture whatever you want. Why bother with the facts?
Then you have not really studied all The New Testament writings, particularly about the subject they both covered about "the day of the Lord". (Also, in 2 Thess.2:1-2, the phrase "day of Christ" in the Greek is actually "day of the Lord", since the actual Greek word there is not 'Christos' but 'kurios' which means 'lord'). See 1 Thess.5 and 2 Pet.3.
And since you apparently don't know what that "day of the Lord" subject is, otherwise you would have recognized it from the Old Testament Books of God's prophets, then that reveals you're probably lacking in Old Testament Book study also.
And since you apparently don't know what that "day of the Lord" subject is, otherwise you would have recognized it from the Old Testament Books of God's prophets, then that reveals you're probably lacking in Old Testament Book study also.
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hmm. No I see satan for who he is, I see him doing the same today as he did in the time of job, and the time of isreal and the time of the church.
So his minions. and who controls them? When satan is bound even his minions will have no leader. thats why they are rendered powerless.
Ask yourself that question.
if you had the slightest real intelligence you would realise that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for all the nations literally to come up to Jerusalem to worship. Or are you going to make Jerusalem a million times bigger? The mind boggles. thus the more intelligent of your kind talk about 'representatives' (which is not what it says)
Incidentally the new Jerusalem IS a million times bigger.
but you should also note that nations are made up of people. Thus when people from the nations approach God they are covered by the word nations. Simple really
But possibly a little taxing for your mind.
Incidentally the new Jerusalem IS a million times bigger.
but you should also note that nations are made up of people. Thus when people from the nations approach God they are covered by the word nations. Simple really
But possibly a little taxing for your mind.
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lol.. 2000 years ago. your right. Today, it can happen. and your making assumptions that it will not even be easier when it actually happens. I mean, according to jesus the world and all life in it would be destroyed if he did not return, that was not possible back then, but is today.
Your problem is you are blinded by your belief system, and not looking forward. and giving God the power to do what he says he will do and make happen what he said will happen.
See, I do not have to explain how or why, I just have to have faith God said it will happen, it will..
Abraham lived in a day no one had ever risen from the dead, But he trusted God that God would keep his promise.
I have the faith of abraham, why don't you?
Yes your right, But the OT prophesies of the king and jerusalem is not the new one, it is the one that is hear on this earth..
but you should also note that nations are made up of people. Thus when people from the nations approach God they are covered by the word nations. Simple really But possibly a little taxing for your mind.
But possibly a little taxing for your mind.
Nope. thats symbolising or spiritualizing
God said nations, Not people. Nice try.
That figures. You mean you are spiritually blind? Sad
Jesus said Satan was bound (Matt 12.28-29). you say he isn't. Now who should I believe?
Have you noticed that Satan is not mentioned as active in Rev 13-19? I don't suppose you have. But his minions are able to carry on.
God's restriction on Satan does not necessarily prevent Satan communicating with his minions. That is why he can indirectly act through them.
I have and I recognise that you ignore what Scripture actually says and manipulate it to say what you want it to say. I was similarly deceived long, long ago so I know precisely how you have to wriggle and misuse the languages in order to justify your position. But once I had jettisoned Scofield the Holy Spirit through Scripture itself gradually brought me to the truth.
Jesus said Satan was bound (Matt 12.28-29). you say he isn't. Now who should I believe?
Have you noticed that Satan is not mentioned as active in Rev 13-19? I don't suppose you have. But his minions are able to carry on.
God's restriction on Satan does not necessarily prevent Satan communicating with his minions. That is why he can indirectly act through them.
I have and I recognise that you ignore what Scripture actually says and manipulate it to say what you want it to say. I was similarly deceived long, long ago so I know precisely how you have to wriggle and misuse the languages in order to justify your position. But once I had jettisoned Scofield the Holy Spirit through Scripture itself gradually brought me to the truth.
Hello Valiant,
"seeing the reign of Christ with His saints ruling over the world today as literal" in this case is misinterpretation and that because the chronological order of scripture makes it clear that the thousand years begins after Jesus physically and visually returns to the earth to end the age, where the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire and Satan is cast into the Abyss. Yet, these things have not yet taken place.
You interpret Jesus as currently ruling from heaven through the saints, but scripture states that he himself will be here ruling on earth with a rod of iron from the throne of David from Jerusalem. Even if you want to claim that he is currently ruling through the saints, that is also is not happening. I don't see the saints ruling with a rod of iron over the people of the earth nor do I see any of the other characteristics of the millennial period currently existing.
Regarding Satan's binding, you don't believe in a literal thousand years, but interpret it as an unknown amount of time even though it says "a thousand years" six times. It also states that his binding will be in the Abyss, but your binding has him out and about in some passive binding, where Scripture has him bound in the Abyss which is under the earth. Just because Satan and his angels are spirit, that doesn't mean that God could not have some type of spiritual barrier below the surface of the earth which they cannot cross. Obviously there is some type of barrier and that because that angel, the beast, who is currently in the Abyss has not yet been able to come out of there, but will do so only at the sounding of the fifth trumpet when the Abyss is unlocked. So something is keeping him from leaving the Abyss.
Then you are a different kind of Amillennialis, because most of them believe that when the body dies, it returns to dust and stays that way never to rise again.
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Thats your argument? Sad
Jesus does not say he is bound in math 28 so he can not decieve nations.. Now your being wishy washy to support your own faulty belief.
Again, WHen has satan ever stopped Gods kingdom from going on?? He has NEVER Had the power to do this.
An army without a leader is dead. I supposed you have not studied much about military have you?
He is not bound until Jesus returns, He does not return until after 19.. soo.. your point is mute.
Then he is not bound for he can still deceive nations, through his minions who he controls.
You do not understand what unable to deceive means do you??
Your deceived now.
You state he is bound when he is not..
thats deception.
Jesus does not say he is bound in math 28 so he can not decieve nations.. Now your being wishy washy to support your own faulty belief.
Again, WHen has satan ever stopped Gods kingdom from going on?? He has NEVER Had the power to do this.
An army without a leader is dead. I supposed you have not studied much about military have you?
He is not bound until Jesus returns, He does not return until after 19.. soo.. your point is mute.
Then he is not bound for he can still deceive nations, through his minions who he controls.
You do not understand what unable to deceive means do you??
Your deceived now.
You state he is bound when he is not..
thats deception.
Now I know that you are lacking in the upper section. There is no way that Jerusalem on earth could be made large enough to cater for the peoples of the whole world. If it was it would no longer be Jerusalem.
LOL reading into Scripture again? It is true that after Jesus second coming there will be no life on earth. All will either have been raptured or judged and executed.
But GOD doesn't say it. It is in your dreams.
But you are supposed to get it right first LOL
But God did not raise anyone from the dead in Abraham's day. Wake up.
You mean you believe what is not going to happen? At last you admit it LOL
I prefer to believe what IS going to happen and have faith in that.
Proof? And don't just cite Scriptures with Jerusalem in them. You have to PROVE which Jerusalem it means. Read Isaiah.
No I know you are a sad case, See how you wriggle? How can saying that peoples make up nations be spiritualising? No wonder you are mixed up.
So nations are not people? What are they then? Ah yes as Solomon said they can be ants.
