To comfort those who speak in tongues

[convallaria]

To comfort those who speak in tongues

2 Tim 1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.
This scripture is referring to many of the good things gifted by the Lord to His children. But one thing we know for sure is that to stir up the gift of God in us includes the gift of tongues.


Perhaps you received that gift a few years back but have not used it since? The word says we are to stir it up, not being fearful, but confident that what God accomplishes by His Spirit in us is far better than anything dreamed up by the schemes of the flesh of man.
Picture a vessel of new wine, in which the yeast has settled like a layer of clay in the bottom. If you stir up the wine including the yeast deposit you will soon see the bubbles gathering into a whoosh of foam, a surge of activity which multiplies into an active principal once more, no more settled back on its lees.


The deposit of God is a gift within us. Let us not disappoint Him by leaving His gift to settle motionless and inactive. The time is now to stir up that gift and pour forth the effervescence of new wine, which is of joy and of love and of power in the Holy Spirit.

If we are born again we have our new wineskins. Fill us up Lord so that we may pour forth, for Your glory, in Jesus’ Name, amen.

 

[beingJustifiedFreely]

The spiritual gifts are not in effect today. For we walk by faith and not by sight. The gift of eternal life yes but not the gifts of tongues, prophesies, etc. Dont be fooled. Satan will use what God isnt using to deceive many. Romans 3:24-26

 

[jb]

The spiritual gifts are not in effect today...

What complete and utter NONSENSE!

Acts 2v16-21,38,39 (with Eph 4v7-16) teaches that spiritual gifts and ministeries are set in the Church throughout the whole of the age of Grace right up until the Second Coming of Christ on the "great and awesome day of the Lord."

Yahweh Shalom

 

[Galatians2-20]

I find it very odd how many today claim to reject Catholic doctrine yet the still cling to Cessationism.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

But ye beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. Jude 20,21

 

[beingJustifiedFreely]

The bible wasnt completed yet. Thats why people had these gifts. See 1st Corinthians 13:8-13. Then see 2Timothy 4:13 that is the bible about to be put together byPaul. Then see verse 20. He couldnt heal anymore. The gifts were fading as the bible was about to be put together.thats why he said what he said in 1Corinthians 13:12. KING JAMES BIBLE.
The Lord Jesus Christ was supposed to come back after the stoning of Stephen in Acts but God ushered in thedispensation of his grace, which was mysterytruth, kept secret since the world began but now is made manifest. And Paul was the first one to manifest the life of his Son through his flesh. ThatsGod eternal purpose.

 

[notuptome]

What complete and utter NONSENSE!

Acts 2v16-21,38,39 (with Eph 4v7-16) teaches that spiritual gifts and ministeries are set in the Church throughout the whole of the age of Grace right up until the Second Coming of Christ on the "great and awesome day of the Lord."

Yahweh Shalom

Three specific sign gifts are ended according to 1 Cor 13:8. The rest of the gifts continue in the body of believers.

The sign gifts will resume at the end of the age according to Joel 2. This is the latter rain of which Pentecost was the former rain.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

But ye beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. Jude 20,21

Quite a leap to construe this as tongues.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Quite a leap to construe this as tongues.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

But ye beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. Jude 20,21

Maybe it seems quite a leap for you but it doesn't to me . . . How else do you "pray in the holy Spirit"? One of the ways we build ourselves up, i.e. edify ourselves, is through speaking in tongues . . He that speaketh in an tongue edifieth himself . . .

 

[shotgunner]

But ye beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. Jude 20,21

Maybe it seems quite a leap for you but it doesn't to me . . . How else do you "pray in the holy Spirit"? One of the ways we build ourselves up, i.e. edify ourselves, is through speaking in tongues . . He that speaketh in an tongue edifieth himself . . .

Paul also called tongues praying in the Spirit in 1 Cor.14:15

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

To comfort those who speak in tongues

2 Tim 1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.
This scripture is referring to many of the good things gifted by the Lord to His children. But one thing we know for sure is that to stir up the gift of God in us includes the gift of tongues.

No, actually, we know for certain that by the time Paul wrote to Timothy, the signs-and-wonders gifts were dying out, because they were no longer necessary for the confirmation of the Gospel for which they were originally give.

• Paul had already warned the Corinthian church, years before this epistle, not to practice tongues in the exact same way today's "signs-and-wonders" churches practice them!
  
• Healing was disappearing, as Paul left Trophimus ill in Miletus rather than being able to heal him
• Prophecy, which was the word of God, was dying out because the word of God for the church was being written by the apostles

So you see, your declaration is in error, as these gifts were no long necessary by the end of the first century, and they serve no purpose today except the self-glorifcation of those who practice them, which is sin.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

No, actually, we know for certain that by the time Paul wrote to Timothy, the signs-and-wonders gifts were dying out, because they were no longer necessary for the confirmation of the Gospel for which they were originally give.

• Paul had already warned the Corinthian church, years before this epistle, not to practice tongues in the exact same way today's "signs-and-wonders" churches practice them!
  
• Healing was disappearing, as Paul left Trophimus ill in Miletus rather than being able to heal him
• Prophecy, which was the word of God, was dying out because the word of God for the church was being written by the apostles

So you see, your declaration is in error, as these gifts were no long necessary by the end of the first century, and they serve no purpose today except the self-glorifcation of those who practice them, which is sin.

Hey VW . . . can you please show me where speaking in tongues is sin? . . . I haven't ever heard this before.

 

[shotgunner]

No, actually, we know for certain that by the time Paul wrote to Timothy, the signs-and-wonders gifts were dying out, because they were no longer necessary for the confirmation of the Gospel for which they were originally give.

• Paul had already warned the Corinthian church, years before this epistle, not to practice tongues in the exact same way today's "signs-and-wonders" churches practice them!
  
• Healing was disappearing, as Paul left Trophimus ill in Miletus rather than being able to heal him
• Prophecy, which was the word of God, was dying out because the word of God for the church was being written by the apostles

So you see, your declaration is in error, as these gifts were no long necessary by the end of the first century, and they serve no purpose today except the self-glorifcation of those who practice them, which is sin.

That's so sad. Here I was enjoying your other posts so much. Well, I guess it just shows no one except Jesus is perfect. Maybe you will change your mind at some point. Have a nice day.

 

[ember]

The spiritual gifts are not in effect today. For we walk by faith and not by sight. The gift of eternal life yes but not the gifts of tongues, prophesies, etc. Dont be fooled. Satan will use what God isnt using to deceive many. Romans 3:24-26

They certainly are in effect today. Those who go on and on about how satan is fooling everyone are actually themselves being fooled.

They are being deprived of the power to live for God...so instead they all become Bible 'experts' and seem to really dote on telling those who are not cessationists, that they are deceived.

God IS Spirit...those that worship Him will do so IN SPIRIT and in TRUTH

If you are cessationist, you only have half the equation

 

[WoundedWarrior]

No, actually, we know for certain that by the time Paul wrote to Timothy, the signs-and-wonders gifts were dying out, because they were no longer necessary for the confirmation of the Gospel for which they were originally give.

• Paul had already warned the Corinthian church, years before this epistle, not to practice tongues in the exact same way today's "signs-and-wonders" churches practice them!
  
• Healing was disappearing, as Paul left Trophimus ill in Miletus rather than being able to heal him
• Prophecy, which was the word of God, was dying out because the word of God for the church was being written by the apostles

So you see, your declaration is in error, as these gifts were no long necessary by the end of the first century, and they serve no purpose today except the self-glorifcation of those who practice them, which is sin.

Well now, this brings a whole new perspective to the conversation. OH happy day -- I get to learn something new!

So then, I always thought "tongues" and "prophecy" gifts were not dead -- just not common.

Is it safe to assume that the gifts of manifestation are dead, while ministry gifts remain?

 

[WoundedWarrior]

They certainly are in effect today. Those who go on and on about how satan is fooling everyone are actually themselves being fooled.

They are being deprived of the power to live for God...so instead they all become Bible 'experts' and seem to really dote on telling those who are not cessationists, that they are deceived.

God IS Spirit...those that worship Him will do so IN SPIRIT and in TRUTH

If you are cessationist, you only have half the equation

Can you expand (support your argument) please?

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Hey VW . . . can you please show me where speaking in tongues is sin? . . . I haven't ever heard this before.

Speaking in tongues is not a sin, just pointless in this day and age when done in the church. Tongues practicers also do not understand Paul's statement about "pray language" and use their misunderstanding to justify it. I'm not willing to say the Holy Spirit can't do exactly as He did at Pentecost and give someone an understanding of a tongue they've never heard before to reach them with the Gospel. That's not what happens today, though.

The sin is in self-glorification through the practice of tongues as many do today.

 

[ember]

No, actually, we know for certain that by the time Paul wrote to Timothy, the signs-and-wonders gifts were dying out, because they were no longer necessary for the confirmation of the Gospel for which they were originally give.

• Paul had already warned the Corinthian church, years before this epistle, not to practice tongues in the exact same way today's "signs-and-wonders" churches practice them!
  
• Healing was disappearing, as Paul left Trophimus ill in Miletus rather than being able to heal him
• Prophecy, which was the word of God, was dying out because the word of God for the church was being written by the apostles

So you see, your declaration is in error, as these gifts were no long necessary by the end of the first century, and they serve no purpose today except the self-glorifcation of those who practice them, which is sin.

WE, do not know any such thing. It is more of a YOU believe what you wrote. I'll bascially agree with shotgunner comments.

Frankly, it appears to me, that such rejection with comments that besmirch people's character, basically shows a flaw in the character of the person who has to make it a PERSONAL agenda rather than just handling things in a civil manner.

I refer to this:

So you see, your declaration is in error, as these gifts were no long necessary by the end of the first century, and they serve no purpose today except the self-glorifcation of those who practice them, which is sin

You are simply repeating the teachings of your Bapist church leanings, which amounts to "I don't...so you should not either."

 

[WoundedWarrior]

Frankly, it appears to me, that such rejection with comments that besmirch people's character, basically shows a flaw in the character of the person who has to make it a PERSONAL agenda rather than just handling things in a civil manner.

I refer to this:

So you see, your declaration is in error, as these gifts were no long necessary by the end of the first century, and they serve no purpose today except the self-glorifcation of those who practice them, which is sin

You are simply repeating the teachings of your Bapist church leanings, which amounts to "I don't...so you should not either."

VW clarified -- can we move on to discussion?
(If what he said still needs further clarification, I can help -- I understand what he means by 'self-glorification' being a sin)

 

[ember]

Speaking in tongues is not a sin, just pointless in this day and age when done in the church. Tongues practicers also do not understand Paul's statement about "pray language" and use their misunderstanding to justify it. I'm not willing to say the Holy Spirit can't do exactly as He did at Pentecost and give someone an understanding of a tongue they've never heard before to reach them with the Gospel. That's not what happens today, though.

The sin is in self-glorification through the practice of tongues as many do today.

Are you sure it isn't self glorification when one denom besmirches everyone who steps outside the box created by them?

Maybe it is actually a sin to reject what God offers and what the Bible plainly states. Knowlede of scripture does not get you into heaven either, yet so many seem to take immense pride in hitting others over the head with their leather bound copy of THOU SHALT NOT BECAUSE I DON'T