Will The Real Faith Come Forth!

WarriorHadassah · Nov 10, 2015

I have heard many say the following religions below are incorrect! Who have the true faith of God? That means no one is saved if a person is following an organized religion that was created by man. Did Jesus have an organize religion? Give me the name of Jesus organize religion name? Why are folks always judging others religion belief because only God is the judge of each individual base on our personal relationship with God.

1. Catholic Church
2. SDA
3. JW
4. Mormons
5. Lutherans
6. Baptist
7. Apostolic
8. Hebrew Faith
9. Islam
10. Word of Faith
11. Quakers
12. Orthodox
13. Reformers
14. Pentecostals
15. Unitarian
16. Amish
17. Methodist
18. Episcopal
19. Presbyterian
20. 1000 more churches that are not named

crossnote · Nov 10, 2015

2 Timothy 4:2-4 KJVS
[2] Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. [3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Kaycie · Nov 10, 2015

The Church of Christ is the only one I found to be true to the church that Jesus established. Other religions branched off of it. Does it matter which religion you are in as long as they worship God? God says it matters. He says, "They worship Me in vain teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. It is up to each individual to study for them-self to make sure their worship matches the bible.

Romans 16:16

kaylagrl · Nov 10, 2015

WarriorHadassah said:

Some of those I dont have a problem with but some of them teach directly against what the Bible teaches.Like the Catholics,Mormons and JW and Islam.... is of the devil,full stop.

Gal.1 -But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

crossnote · Nov 10, 2015

Kaycie said:

Which Church of Christ?
The one that has the Commandment of men that says 'no musical instruments in a worship service'?

Flameborn · Nov 10, 2015

I judge other religious beliefs based on the Bible. I believe its why God gave it to us. Now as for different denominations its a matter of difference in interpretation, so yeah I feel like that's more between the individual believer and God. For instance many on your list are not different religions, they are different denominations within one religion...that being Christianity.

However some of the religions or beliefs on your list are certainly in need of criticism or what not.

Specifically Jehovahs Witness and Mormonism are definitely cults. They are not true because they are SO very contrary to the Bible. It doesn't take much study to realize all of the crazy and false things they believe. I will gladly judge their beliefs according to the Word.

And Islam....oh dear. If that is any religion, its the religion of Satan himself. There have been some pretty evil religions on the face of this planet, but I don't know if any have matched the barbarism and lies of the Islamic faith. So yeah, I will absolutely judge that one by the Word...and I find it sorely wanting.

Kaycie · Nov 10, 2015

crossnote said:

That is not a commandment of men. Jesus taught by both word and example. Did Jesus get baptized to wash away His sins? No, He had no sin to wash away, He did it because we are to follow His example. Every time He sang hymns there were no instruments. There was no choir behind Him when He preached His sermon on the mount. The whole big picture shows us that things were done physically in the Old Testament, but are now done spiritually in the New Testament. Read Ephesians chapter 6. In the New Testament, under the new covenant, under Christ, we are to commanded to use the fruit of our lips and sing making melody in our hearts onto God.

KennethC · Nov 10, 2015

We should always use the Holy Spirit and the Word of God to test all things spoken by men, because the devil is deceiving and even though it may seem proper and right teaching it might not be the sound doctrine teaching from the scriptures.

The ways we can discern this is that if the teachings do one of the following for example:

1) Disregard parts of the bible

2) Reverse the order of the words in a scripture
a) he that endures to the end will be saved <----True order

b) he who is saved will endure to the end <----False order

(See how crafty the little flipping changes the context ???)

3) Teaches we don't have to be obedient

4) Teaches Jesus teachings apply only before the cross

5) Teaches His commandments and being under the law (Mosaic law) is one and the same

These are just five examples that are teachings of a false gospel (another gospel as Paul puts it) and teaching another Jesus not of the bible.

Also I would like to mention nowhere does the bible say musical instruments can not be used in worship, that is a bad rendering to come away with that !!!

The angels play instruments in worship to Him and Revelation shows this !!!

kaylagrl · Nov 10, 2015

Kaycie said:

“Praise the LORD! Praise God in His sanctuary; praise Him in His mighty firmament! Praise Him for His mighty acts; praise Him according to His excellent greatness! Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet; praise Him with the lute and harp! Praise Him with the timbrel and dance; praise Him with stringed instruments and flutes! Praise Him with loud cymbals; praise Him with clashing cymbals! Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD!” (Psalm 150:1-6).

2 Chron.-25He stationed the Levites in the temple of the Lord with cymbals, harps and lyres in the way prescribed by David and Gad the king’s seer and Nathan the prophet; this was commanded by the Lord through his prophets. 26So the Levites stood ready with David’s instruments, and the priests with their trumpets.27Hezekiah gave the order to sacrifice the burnt offering on the altar. As the offering began, singing to the Lord began also, accompanied by trumpets and the instruments of David king of Israel. 28The whole assembly bowed in worship, while the musicians played and the trumpets sounded. All this continued until the sacrifice of the burnt offering was completed.

[h=1]2 Chronicles 5-All the Levites who were musicians—Asaph, Heman, Jeduthun and their sons and relatives—stood on the east side of the altar, dressed in fine linen and playing cymbals, harps and lyres. They were accompanied by 120 priests sounding trumpets. 13 The trumpeters and musicians joined in unison to give praise and thanks to theLord. Accompanied by trumpets, cymbals and other instruments, the singers raised their voices in praise to the Lord and sang:[/h]“He is good;
his love endures forever.”

No where in the Bible does it forbid playing of instruments and singing at the same time or separately.

crossnote · Nov 10, 2015

Kaycie said:

There is no commandment in Scripture forbidding the use of instruments. They used their physical tongues in praise in the OT, we use our physical tongues in praise in the NT, likewise they used physical instruments in the OT, we use physical instruments in the NT.
Nevertheless it is the Commandment of man.
I wouldn't have brought this up, because I know each Church has it's convictions but you made an over the top claim that, "The Church of Christ is the only one I found to be true to the Church that Jesus established."
I would have passed if you meant the Church of Christ being those that have true faith in Christ Jesus.

KennethC · Nov 11, 2015

Revelation 5:8

When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

GodIsSalvation · Nov 11, 2015

Christianity is the only real religion. Faith isn't a religion, though it is part of it. Faith is through things unseen all people have faith, just faith well placed and faith misplaced. All men misplace their faith so they must find a better source to deposit their faith, many places on earth, money a big one. Jesus is the one and only good place to place faith, no one can take faith in Jesus out of your hands.

The churches and religions are fell and mischievous things indeed for the time we find ourselves in right now. Christians for the most part are scattered through the wayward denominations of our time or through the world as individuals. United by only one thing really, faith in Jesus. Though things look bleak there is even good hope in Jesus and a good show of a sort of uniting and ending of the denominations in Christianity emerging.

Kaycie · Nov 12, 2015

kaylagrl said:

“Praise the LORD! Praise God in His sanctuary; praise Him in His mighty firmament! Praise Him for His mighty acts; praise Him according to His excellent greatness! Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet; praise Him with the lute and harp! Praise Him with the timbrel and dance; praise Him with stringed instruments and flutes! Praise Him with loud cymbals; praise Him with clashing cymbals! Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD!” (Psalm 150:1-6).

2 Chron.-25He stationed the Levites in the temple of the Lord with cymbals, harps and lyres in the way prescribed by David and Gad the king’s seer and Nathan the prophet; this was commanded by the Lord through his prophets. 26So the Levites stood ready with David’s instruments, and the priests with their trumpets.27Hezekiah gave the order to sacrifice the burnt offering on the altar. As the offering began, singing to the Lord began also, accompanied by trumpets and the instruments of David king of Israel. 28The whole assembly bowed in worship, while the musicians played and the trumpets sounded. All this continued until the sacrifice of the burnt offering was completed.

2 Chronicles 5-All the Levites who were musicians—Asaph, Heman, Jeduthun and their sons and relatives—stood on the east side of the altar, dressed in fine linen and playing cymbals, harps and lyres. They were accompanied by 120 priests sounding trumpets. 13 The trumpeters and musicians joined in unison to give praise and thanks to theLord. Accompanied by trumpets, cymbals and other instruments, the singers raised their voices in praise to the Lord and sang:

“He is good;
his love endures forever.”

No where in the Bible does it forbid playing of instruments and singing at the same time or separately.

I agree that in the Old Testament, under the old covenant, it said to use physical instruments. I already said things were done physically in the Old Testament that are now done spiritually in the New Testament. God was very specific on what kind of instruments to use in the old and in the new covenants. "Fruit of your lips" "Melody in your heart" New Testament= spiritual instruments, not physical ones.

Kaycie · Nov 12, 2015

crossnote said:

I have done much study, and am completely convinced that this teaching is from Christ and not from man. Jesus taught by word and example, and His example did not include physical instruments. The whole theme of the new covenant is to do things spiritually, not physically like in the old covenant.

crossnote · Nov 12, 2015

Kaycie said:

Like I said, do you sing? The tongue is a physical musical instrument when giving praises unto the Lord.

Kaycie · Nov 12, 2015

crossnote said:

Yes I sing, and yes it is spiritual. God made my voice, God did not fashion guitars and pianos. Ok, so tell me this, when David slain his tens of thousands in war, was that physical? What about in Ephesians 6 when it tells us to put on the full armor of God because we no longer battle against flesh and blood. We now fight spiritually. But if we are still in physical bodies, we have to use our tongue to speak Gods truth (which is how we use the spiritual sword), so even though some physicality is involved, it is still spiritual way instead of a physical way in Gods opinion. The sword of truth, the breastplate of righteousness, the helmet of salvation- these are not physical armory of war like the were in David's time, in the Old Testament. The trumpet was a physical representation of the spiritual instrument (our voices). Every physical thing we did in the Old Testament represented the spiritual way in the New Testament. Those were just a shadow of the reality in Christ. (Colossians 2:17)

shotgunner · Nov 12, 2015

The only thing God recognizes is faith. The only thing that saves is faith in Christ as your savior. Everything else is vanity.

crossnote · Nov 12, 2015

Kaycie said:

Physical instruments just like the tongue, can be used 'spiritually' as well...

1Sa 16:23 And whenever the harmful spirit from God was upon Saul, David took the lyre and played it with his hand. So Saul was refreshed and was well, and the harmful spirit departed from him.

Kaycie · Nov 13, 2015

crossnote said:

Indeed Gods battles in the Old Testament were spiritual, but carried out in a physical way. In the New Testament the battles are spiritual, carried out in a spiritual way. Of course, we are in physical bodies, we have to use our physical brain and voice, but it is a spiritual fight. The fight between good and evil has always been a spiritual battle, even when carried out in a physical way. But there is a difference between the Old Testament and New Testament. Old- physical lamb sacrifice, new- spiritual Lamb (of God) sacrifice. Old- Noah's ark, new- baptism (1Peter 3:21). Old- marching to Cannan, new- marching to heaven. Old- physical instruments, new- spiritual instruments. Do you see the pattern of how the physical ways became spiritual ways? Do you see that we no longer have all those physical rules? Jesus said come to Him with your heavy burden and He will give you rest. If this has a physical meaning, we need to walk up to Him and have Him take a heavy backpack off our backs. To God the spiritual is reality, not the physical. Under Moses things were done physically (which included physical instruments) In Christ things are done spiritually. (Colossians 2:17, Matthew 5:28)

crossnote · Nov 13, 2015

Kaycie said:

Indeed Gods battles in the Old Testament were spiritual, but carried out in a physical way. In the New Testament the battles are spiritual, carried out in a spiritual way. Of course, we are in physical bodies, we have to use our physical brain and voice, but it is a spiritual fight. The fight between good and evil has always been a spiritual battle, even when carried out in a physical way. But there is a difference between the Old Testament and New Testament. Old- physical lamb sacrifice, new- spiritual Lamb (of God) sacrifice. Old- Noah's ark, new- baptism (1Peter 3:21). Old- marching to Cannan, new- marching to heaven. Old- physical instruments, new- spiritual instruments. Do you see the pattern of how the physical ways became spiritual ways? Do you see that we no longer have all those physical rules? Jesus said come to Him with your heavy burden and He will give you rest. If this has a physical meaning, we need to walk up to Him and have Him take a heavy backpack off our backs. To God the spiritual is reality, not the physical. Under Moses things were done physically (which included physical instruments) In Christ things are done spiritually. (Colossians 2:17, Matthew 5:28)

Yeah, I'm still scratching my head why the CoC laid down some more 'physical rules' such as no instruments.
Anyways, I've said enough, to each his own.

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