1260, 1290, 1335 counted in days

[Lanolin]

Hmm always thought when the sacrifices cease that was because of Jesus made an end to all sacrifices.
The abomination that causes desolation...what is it, exactly. Crucifixiton?

I think many people had got this wrong and looking for some future event thats already happened Jesus isnt going to be crucified again. He also confirmed a covenant and minsitered for half a time. And 40 days after his resurrection he was on earth and then was taken up..

Some people say...the abomination that causes desolation was some pig saacrificed at the temple that happned 100 years before Christ but why would that cause desolation...didnt the crucifxtion cause the uktimate desolation because Jesus was sacrificed?! human sacrifice. I am not saying Jesus himeself is abomination I am saying crucifixtion was the abomination. And that did cause desolation! Even today the way jesus went to the cross is called the via dolorosa..the desolate, painful, sorrowful way. At the time he was crucified, the temple curtain got torn in two. And later it did get destroyed.

People did flee Judea after that time. Its the time of the gentiles though that takes the longest and we dont really know how long that takes and when that will be fufilled. Just puttin it out there.

I mean the time of the end will come for all not disputing that or that we wont all see Jesus in person coming in the cloud of Glory but I do think people seem to be counting from the wrong date...

And as you may know there are NO MORE SACRIFICES to be done at any temple...Jesus was the final sacrifice he was the Lamb of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The people left alive that were non-Jewish would be known as Gentiles. And the scripture states these (Gentiles) were forced to go up and meet God and Praise and Worship Him. Claims if they refuse they will have no rain for their crops. Anyways, it paints a clear picture these Gentiles were praising and worshiping Yahweh. In time, the sincere ones would be seen as anyone else in the House of Israel, faithful to Yahweh!!

It's like a foretelling when Gentiles would not only be accepted, but also when they were being baptized by the Apostles.

Its a future prophesy, the gentiles are forced to not just worship, but come to jerusalem to worship. The jews are in isreal, so they do not have to travel to israel.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmm always thought when the sacrifices cease that was because of Jesus made an end to all sacrifices.
The abomination that causes desolation...what is it, exactly. Crucifixiton?

I think many people had got this wrong and looking for some future event thats already happened Jesus isnt going to be crucified again. He also confirmed a covenant and minsitered for half a time. And 40 days after his resurrection he was on earth and then was taken up..

Some people say...the abomination that causes desolation was some pig saacrificed at the temple that happned 100 years before Christ but why would that cause desolation...didnt the crucifxtion cause the uktimate desolation because Jesus was sacrificed?! human sacrifice. I am not saying Jesus himeself is abomination I am saying crucifixtion was the abomination. And that did cause desolation! Even today the way jesus went to the cross is called the via dolorosa..the desolate, painful, sorrowful way. At the time he was crucified, the temple curtain got torn in two. And later it did get destroyed.

People did flee Judea after that time. Its the time of the gentiles though that takes the longest and we dont really know how long that takes and when that will be fufilled. Just puttin it out there.

I mean the time of the end will come for all not disputing that or that we wont all see Jesus in person coming in the cloud of Glory but I do think people seem to be counting from the wrong date...

And as you may know there are NO MORE SACRIFICES to be done at any temple...Jesus was the final sacrifice he was the Lamb of God.

An abomination which makes desolate is a hebrew term which refers to an unclean thing or idol, placed in the holy place making it desolate or unclean, thus stopping sacrifice.

We have an example of antiochus epiphanies (the little horn of dan 11) doing this when he slaughtered a pig in the holy of holies, this caused the maccabian revolt

Again, using history as precedence to interpret.

Anyway here is the prophesy

Dan 11 30 For ships from Cyprus shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and return in rage against the holy covenant, and do damage.
“So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 And [n]forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.

 

[Lanolin]

The cross?

What was the daily sacrifice. Look is there a physical temple now and are there still daily sacrifices? I dont see any....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The cross?

What was the daily sacrifice. Look is there a physical temple now and are there still daily sacrifices? I dont see any....

When the greek king commited the abomination which makes desolate, sacrifice was ceased, because you can not sacrifice in an unclean holy place.

Jesus did not commit an abomination which caused desolation in order to cause sacrifice to cease, in fact. Sacrifice continued for almost another 4 decades, in fact, they were not even stopped.

 

[obedienttogod]

Its a future prophesy, the gentiles are forced to not just worship, but come to jerusalem to worship. The jews are in isreal, so they do not have to travel to israel.

Yeah, it's kind of obvious where the Jews are in relationship to worshiping Yahweh in these verses scenario.. I definitely agree on the prophecy and its relationship ultimately connecting them to Christ.

 

[Journeyman]

Lanolin said
Hmm always thought when the sacrifices cease that was because of Jesus made an end to all sacrifices.
The abomination that causes desolation...what is it, exactly. Crucifixiton?

I believe it is. From the "man of sin's" point of view, the total rejection of God. Wanting Jesus dead is the abomination that causes desolation.

Lanolin said,
And as you may know there are NO MORE SACRIFICES to be done at any temple...Jesus was the final sacrifice he was the Lamb of God.

I think the "daily sacrifice" is symbolic of how Jesus lived while on earth and I believe how is the key to understanding there really is no gap in the seventy weeks prophecy.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The numbers are found in Dan.12. Does anyone know what the significance of these numbers are? Just looking for insight.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (Daniel 9:27)

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (Daniel 12:12,13)

ONE WEEK = 7 years

THE MIDST OF THE WEEK = 3 1/2 years = 1260 days = termination of the Antichrist's covenant with Israel

1290 DAYS = 30 days after termination of the covenant when the Abomination of Desolation is set up

1335 DAYS = 45 days after the setting up of the Abomination of Desolation initiates the Great Tribulation

The ones that *blessed* are the believing Jewish remnant which are preserved in the wilderness from the wrath of God and the wrath of Satan and the Antichrist.

 

[Hevosmies]

I believe it is. From the "man of sin's" point of view, the total rejection of God. Wanting Jesus dead is the abomination that causes desolation.


I think the "daily sacrifice" is symbolic of how Jesus lived while on earth and I believe how is the key to understanding there really is no gap in the seventy weeks prophecy.

You are way off on prophecy bro!

To claim that daily sacrifice is symbolic is UNBELIEVABLE when we already have a precedent for exactly what it was in history, BEFORE Jesus was even born. Look up Antiochus Epiphanes!

Wanting Jesus dead is NOT the abomination that causes desolation, we also have a historical precedent for that......

Are you just making it up as you go along, or did you hear this from some teacher and are repeating it? I dont know any bible teacher who teaches that, not even the preterist/amill ones!

 

[Lanolin]

Why do people say an antichrist has a covenant, I thought only God can make or break the covenants with people.

It seem people are missing what an abomination is, wasnt the crucifxtion when innocent blood was spilled.

Check out Proverbs 6:19-19 listing abominations isnt this exactly what happened at the crucifixtion.

Hebrews also mentions that once Jesus blood was spilled, paying for all mankinds sin, those daily animal sacrifices had to stop as there was no reason for them anymore. Check out Hebrews 10:10-14

 

[Journeyman]

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (Daniel 9:27)

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (Daniel 12:12,13)

ONE WEEK = 7 years

THE MIDST OF THE WEEK = 3 1/2 years = 1260 days = termination of the Antichrist's covenant with Israel

1290 DAYS = 30 days after termination of the covenant when the Abomination of Desolation is set up

1335 DAYS = 45 days after the setting up of the Abomination of Desolation initiates the Great Tribulation

The ones that *blessed* are the believing Jewish remnant which are preserved in the wilderness from the wrath of God and the wrath of Satan and the Antichrist.

Brother, I've heard all this. I'm not dismissing a time factor, but antichrist attacks anyone who is "in Christ." This is his purpose, to destroy faith in God that we have through Jesus.

This has been done by the seven headed beast by deception and persecution throughout time, ("don't worship God daily as Jesus taught...his disciples stole his body", or, "you love Jesus? Meet my hungry lion.") There are many examples.

The last assault of antichrist will only differ from all previous ones in respect to the scope of it (and maybe technology, where forms of deception weren't available in previous ages.) But persecution is no worse for someone living in OT times than it will be for someone living near the end of this world. Its the same.

Does the last antichrist go into newly rebuilt stone temple and stop the Jews from sacrificing livestock, demanding worship thirty days later in their temple?

Or are these numbers 1260, 1290, 1335, spiritually speaking, all inclusive in an uninterrupted seventy weeks that were finished by Christ? I that's really the key. Focusing attention on "When" does this happen, instead of "how and why" does this happen?

Is there a literal thirty day period between the removal of the daily sacrifice and the abomination which causes destruction? Or is 30 days a Hebrew month, the new moon until the end of it? The moon is symbolic of the church, Christ's body, his temple. Does antichrist really defile a stone temple?

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 1Cor.3:17

Jesus brought in "everlasting righteousness" and does so for every believer right up to the 1335 days.

 

[Journeyman]

You are way off on prophecy bro!

To claim that daily sacrifice is symbolic is UNBELIEVABLE when we already have a precedent for exactly what it was in history, BEFORE Jesus was even born. Look up Antiochus Epiphanes!

Brother, the daily sacrifice (burnt offering) and oblation (meal offering) are OT symbols of Jesus's sacrifice.

Wanting Jesus dead is NOT the abomination that causes desolation, we also have a historical precedent for that......

Satan, wanting God out of humanity's life, is really the only thing that causes destruction.

Are you just making it up as you go along, or did you hear this from some teacher and are repeating it? I dont know any bible teacher who teaches that, not even the preterist/amill ones!

No, I didn't hear this from any teacher. The Bible scholars of the 1st century had Jesus crucified, so I wouldn't use a PhD as an argument for who's right.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

It is very hard to interpret prophesy after it has been fulfilled. It is nearly impossible to interpret prophesy before it has been fulfilled.
Therefore, future predictions should always be looked at with much skepticism.

The Book of Isaiah was written approx. 8th century BC, and all of it's prophesies on the coming Messiah were fulfilled in under 1000 yrs.

Being that Daniel 12 was written some 2,500 years ago, one should consider that the prophesies in chapter 12 might have already been fulfilled.

Here is an explanation of how Daniel 12 and the last week of Daniel's 70 weeks have already been fulfilled.

http://www.exposingtheenemy.com/what-we-believe/is-prophecy-a-mystery/daniel-12-prophe

Thanks to all for the contributions. These differences in time, and gaps, beginning with the "seventy weeks" kept throwing me off, until I read all of your statements, looking for similarity. They all provided clues to help me understand the scriptures as I believe they should be understood, which I know sound heretical and lunatic to the vast majority.

 

[Aryeh]

The numbers are found in Dan.12. Does anyone know what the significance of these numbers are? Just looking for insight.

It could be something like this:

First, the Third Temple is to be built, according to the prophecy of Ezekiel. From Rosh Hashanah to Yom Kippur, there must be a consecration of the altar. On these days, from 1st to 10th Tishrei, the messengers of Jesus Christ must enter the Eastern Gate of the Third Temple.

From the 11th Tishri, the Eastern Gate of the Third Temple will be closed forever. From the 11th Tishri, the count of 2300 evenings and mornings begins, during this period the Christian religion and Judaism will ignore this Messianic Temple and will not recognize the act of people entering the Eastern Gate as the coming of God.

2300 evenings and mornings consist of two periods. During the first period, the Christian religion and Judaism will not recognize this Temple. But Judaism will not recognize both the Temple and Jesus Christ as the Messiah, and the Christian religion will not recognize only the Temple. Therefore, during the first period it is necessary to count mornings and evenings.

The non-recognition by Christians of the Temple and the saints is the non-recognition of the "morning sacrifice," at the beginning of the Day of the Lord, which will last 1000 years. Judaism’s non-recognition of Jesus Christ is "evening" because Jesus died in the evening (they will not recognize the Temple either). The second period will come when Judaism recognizes Jesus Christ as the Messiah, recognizes the Temple as the shrine of Yahweh, and recognizes the people who entered the Eastern Gate of the Temple to be holy. Therefore, the second half of the period will count only mornings, that is, the second period is the non-recognition by the Christian religion of the Temple and the saints.

The first half should end around the 17th of Tammuz in the 3rd year after the construction of the Temple. The Christian religion recognizes the Temple as the shrine of God only in the 4th year of the Temple, around 1st Iyar.

1st Nisan of the 4th year of the Temple is the end of the period of 1290 days, counted from the 11th Tishri, as well as 2300 evenings and mornings.

1335 days is the period from Tu B'Shvat of the 1st year of the Temple to Simchat Torah of the 4th year of the Temple when you can eat the fruits of the planted Tree, in accordance with Leviticus 19:23-25. The period of 1335 days may not come true every year, but only in certain years of the Jewish calendar, because a year in the Jewish calendar may have a different number of months and days. (2019 is suitable for building the Temple, 2020 and 2021 are not suitable.)

1260 days of a woman clothed with the sun is not the same as 1260 days of two witnesses. 1260 days of the woman are counted from Simchat Torah of the 1st year of the Temple to Pesach of the 4th year of the Temple, when space will be allocated for the City of Yahweh Shammah and tribes of Israel will receive their land in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel.

And 1260 days of "two witnesses" ended in 2005, when the Christian religion did not react to the coincidence of two super strong earthquakes with the two main holidays, Christmas and Easter. The starting point for the period of the prophecy of the "two witnesses" is the construction of the 2nd Temple by Zerubbabel. 1260 years of the first witness, the Jews, must be added up with the 1260 years of the second witness, Christians. Because these are "two olives" from the 11th chapter of the Epistle to the Romans, these are Jews and Christians, faithful to Jesus Christ.

42 months of madness of pagan Christians correspond to 42 months of the beast, but not equal to 1260 days. The 42 lunar months are about 1240 days. This period, the period of the power of the beast, will begin from the 9th month, Kislev, and end simultaneously with the end of the period of 1290 days and the period of 2300 evenings and mornings, 1st Iyar.

The beginning of the power of the beast roughly corresponds to the celebration of Hanukkah.

As for the 5 months of locust, this is most likely the time of the construction of the Third Temple. The temple will be built very quickly.

Some discrepancy may be due to the fact that political decisions will be made not on feasts, but immediately before these days.


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