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J
so would there be a way to test such a thing? claiming a miracle of the Holy Spirit to be of demons is Blasphemy and unforgivable. but what if satan was masquerading as an angel and doing miracles and claiming they were of the Father. is there a way to test such a thing? you wouldnt want to be wrong!
Leviticus 24:16 anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death.
Numbers 15:30 “‘But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or foreigner, blasphemes the Lord and must be cut off from the people of Israel.
Exodus 23:21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.
Isaiah 63:10 Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them.
Exodus 4:20 So Moses took his wife and sons, put them on a donkey and started back to Egypt. And he took the staff of God in his hand.
Psalm 23:4 Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
Numbers 20:8 “Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink.”
Numbers 20:12 But the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them.”
Psalm 89:32 I will punish their sin with the rod, their iniquity with flogging;
Isaiah 4:4 The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion; he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of fire.
Numbers 15:30 “‘But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or foreigner, blasphemes the Lord and must be cut off from the people of Israel.
Exodus 23:21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.
Isaiah 63:10 Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them.
Exodus 4:20 So Moses took his wife and sons, put them on a donkey and started back to Egypt. And he took the staff of God in his hand.
Psalm 23:4 Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
Numbers 20:8 “Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink.”
Numbers 20:12 But the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them.”
Psalm 89:32 I will punish their sin with the rod, their iniquity with flogging;
Isaiah 4:4 The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion; he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of fire.
Matthew 12
22 Then they brought him (Jesus) a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see.23 All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul,the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”
25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you."
Satan does not drive out Satan according to Jesus, because that would be working at cross
purposes. Of course that is assuming that whatever miracle performed is a casting out of Satan.
22 Then they brought him (Jesus) a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see.23 All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul,the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”
25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you."
Satan does not drive out Satan according to Jesus, because that would be working at cross
purposes. Of course that is assuming that whatever miracle performed is a casting out of Satan.
J
hey magenta! what if you had a preacher, very good one, very likable and all that. then he says he has the Holy Spirit, has visions, he is a prophet, he tells you to leave your job and family cause the Holy Spirit says so. how would you know it is the will of the Lord and not a trick of Satan?
am i the only one that thinks of these things? am i paranoid?
am i the only one that thinks of these things? am i paranoid?
AN OBSERVER OF TIMES
Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards.
Its speaking of the occult.
GAL.4
[8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them
which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God,
or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly
elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
[10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.
[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
-Its speaking of those who observe times,
DEUT.18
[9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee,
thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his
daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination,
OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,
[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits,
or a wizard, or a necromancer.
2 CHR.33
[3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father
had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves,
and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.
[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof
the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.
[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in
the two courts of the house of the LORD.
[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom:
ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used
witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards:
he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger
-Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards.
Its speaking of the occult.But Not about following sabbath days.
LEV.19
[26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood:
neither shall ye use enchantment, (NOR OBSERVE TIMES).
[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners
of thy beard. Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any
marks upon you: I am the LORD. Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be
a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.
[30] (YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS),
and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards.
Its speaking of the occult.
GAL.4
[8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them
which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God,
or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly
elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
[10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.
[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
-Its speaking of those who observe times,
DEUT.18
[9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee,
thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his
daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination,
OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,
[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits,
or a wizard, or a necromancer.
2 CHR.33
[3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father
had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves,
and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.
[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof
the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.
[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in
the two courts of the house of the LORD.
[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom:
ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used
witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards:
he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger
-Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards.
Its speaking of the occult.But Not about following sabbath days.
LEV.19
[26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood:
neither shall ye use enchantment, (NOR OBSERVE TIMES).
[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners
of thy beard. Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any
marks upon you: I am the LORD. Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be
a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.
[30] (YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS),
and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
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Hello Mr Jaybird 
How are you this fine evening that the Lord has made? I doubt that you are the only one who thinks of these things, nor do I think it makes you paranoid, rather sensible I would say. As as Mr. Crossnote has noted, the Holy Spirit of God is quite capable of letting you know something if it really is what God wants you to do. And not to put too fine a point on it, but why would a man of God instruct you to leave your family? By family do you mean wife and children? That seems contrary to God's Word.
How are you this fine evening that the Lord has made? I doubt that you are the only one who thinks of these things, nor do I think it makes you paranoid, rather sensible I would say. As as Mr. Crossnote has noted, the Holy Spirit of God is quite capable of letting you know something if it really is what God wants you to do. And not to put too fine a point on it, but why would a man of God instruct you to leave your family? By family do you mean wife and children? That seems contrary to God's Word.
J
Hello Mr Jaybird How are you this fine evening that the Lord has made? I doubt that you are the only one who thinks of these things, nor do I think it makes you paranoid, rather sensible I would say. As as Mr. Crossnote has noted, the Holy Spirit of God is quite capable of letting you know something if it really is what God wants you to do. And not to put too fine a point on it, but why would a man of God instruct you to leave your family? By family do you mean wife and children? That seems contrary to God's Word.
How are you this fine evening that the Lord has made? I doubt that you are the only one who thinks of these things, nor do I think it makes you paranoid, rather sensible I would say. As as Mr. Crossnote has noted, the Holy Spirit of God is quite capable of letting you know something if it really is what God wants you to do. And not to put too fine a point on it, but why would a man of God instruct you to leave your family? By family do you mean wife and children? That seems contrary to God's Word.
i wouldnt think the Lord would want me to do such things but we can not claim the Holy Spirit is wrong when someone is making claims about it.
The best way to test these things is to follow the food chain to the top. If it doesn't ultimately glorify God then it's questionable. But that's the biggest test I've found so far, is who's getting the PR out of it? Also it needs to conform to scripture, and be confirmed by another witness. And yes one wants to be careful about this, that's why while I may suggest something is blasphemous or heretical, I don't actually accuse. I know what I know but God knows more, so I'll defer to Him on such things. It's also why one should stay far far away from Cessationism.
I don't believe specifically doing evil and attributing it to the Holy Spirit is blasphemous (if not it should be). But I would think that most anybody who does such a thing has most likely blasphemed the Holy Spirit anyway. One attitude kinda goes with the other, you know? But ya gotta allow for the ones who haven't, again only God knows who is truly unforgivable.
The only examples I can think of in the Bible are ones about people like Ananias. He did something dishonest and lied and claimed to have done something Godly, and God axed him for it. Does that correlate?
I don't believe specifically doing evil and attributing it to the Holy Spirit is blasphemous (if not it should be). But I would think that most anybody who does such a thing has most likely blasphemed the Holy Spirit anyway. One attitude kinda goes with the other, you know? But ya gotta allow for the ones who haven't, again only God knows who is truly unforgivable.
The only examples I can think of in the Bible are ones about people like Ananias. He did something dishonest and lied and claimed to have done something Godly, and God axed him for it. Does that correlate?
Sure, I would agree that the Holy Spirit of God would not be wrong, but I would also add that it could be likely the man of God is wrong in thinking it is the Holy Spirit of God informing him. Dear God we ask that you watch over our brother Jaybird. Please keep him safe from all harm, and secure in the knowledge of your love, protection, and care for him. Calm his mind and help him stay focused on what is real and important in his life, according to Your Word and your will for him, in Jesus name we pray, amen.
B
I feel it would be through their fruit, "A good tree can not bring forth bad fruit, and a bad tree can not bring forth good fruit"
Galatians 5 v 22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
Just because a pastor said something does not make it so, and magenta's point is valid as is crossnoet's, If the Spirit of God is talking then you can not miss it because of the same Spirit in you.
Galatians 5 v 22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
Just because a pastor said something does not make it so, and magenta's point is valid as is crossnoet's, If the Spirit of God is talking then you can not miss it because of the same Spirit in you.
You need to walk the other way from such a person and follow what the bible teaches. The bible says he that doesn't provide for his family has denied the faith and has become worse than an unbeliever. And this guy is saying to do the opposite. That should tell you right there that he's not speaking for GOD.
But if someone does not provide for his own, and especially the members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. 1 Timothy 5:8
J
the story of Ananias and Sapphira i think is a bit different than what i am talking to. but there may be more to the story i am not seeing.
i am referring to someone that falsely claims to have the Holy Spirit and claims to speak for the Lord or asks you to follow them.
the story in kings that pilgrim mentioned is spot on. maybe you can explain it to us cause i think we are both scratching our heads. i am at work. when i get home i will read it again. i think its one of them stories one would needs quite, solitude and guidance prayers.
i am referring to someone that falsely claims to have the Holy Spirit and claims to speak for the Lord or asks you to follow them.
the story in kings that pilgrim mentioned is spot on. maybe you can explain it to us cause i think we are both scratching our heads. i am at work. when i get home i will read it again. i think its one of them stories one would needs quite, solitude and guidance prayers.