Lordship Salvation is false teaching

[Scriptureplz]

Romans 5:18-19 (KJV)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
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If just these two verses (please read them) could be understood by "loadship" believers, they would see how wrong their doctrine is and maybe come to the truth, or at least be in the right direction.

These two verses show .....


1. We are all condemned
2. Only ONE person has ever been "righteous"
3. His righteousness is available to all men
4. "Justification of life" is a "free gift" made available by His obedience


There is no other possible way to be "justified" but by faith in Him! (Romans 4.3, 5:1, Gal. 2:16, Eph. 8)
"There are none righteous, no not one." (Romans 3:10,23)


Jesus is the only way. If we have placed our trust in our own righteousness, we have rejected Him (Romans 10:1-5). Salvation is a SPIRITUAL work of God (Col. 2:11) done when we place ALL our trust in Jesus and HIS "finished work". We are "born of God" (John 3:6) when we have believed the gospel, not when we prove something to God who has already told us our righteousness is like "filthy rags" in His site! (Isaiah 64:6)


After we have been saved, His spirit lives in us and will guide us in how to live and if we follow Him (Romans 12:1-2), we become His "disciples" which is not required for salvation. God said salvation is a "free gift". (Romans 3:24-26, 5:15-21, 6:23)


Bottom line.....
If you are trusting in your own righteous works of obedience as "evidence" that you are saved, the bible says you are either lost or deceived!
(Matt. 10:10-13, Romans 10:1-5, Galatians 3)

 

[Grace777x70]

Romans 10:2-4 (NASB)

[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

The law is anything "we do in order to get " something back from God. It is dependent on what we do by our own self-effort. The law demands "we do in order to get".

Grace in Christ provides what the law demands " we believe and receive what Christ has already done for us by grace through faith alone".

 

[Ariel82]

Read OP and can't find anything about Lordship salvation....


So disappointed, just another straw man burning.

 

[Ariel82]

Understanding the Lordship Salvation Controversy - Christian Research Institute

This article defines Lordship salvation as....

“Lordship salvation” advocates say that in order to be saved, one must not only believe and acknowledge that Christ is Lord, but also submit to His lordship. In other words, there must be — at the moment one trusts in Christ for salvation — a willingness to commit one’s life absolutely to the Lord, even though the actual practice of a committed life may not follow immediately or completely. Non-lordship proponents argue that such a pre-salvation commitment to Christ’s lordship compromises salvation by grace."

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I never entirely understand who these threads are aimed at. Who is claiming that we have to achieve certain goals to be saved?

 

[Ariel82]

Note further....."
Neither side is saying that salvation is by works. Both affirm the clear teaching of Scripture that salvation is a gift freely given by God to man. Nor is either side advocating “easy* believism,” a term coined by Lordship proponents to describe the idea that one receives salvation by simply giving intel*lectual assent to a set of doctrines."

 

[crossnote]

When one receives Jesus, he receives the whole deal...Lord and Savior. There is no such thing as half-a-Jesus

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I believe that accepting Him as your Lord and Savior means accepting His commandments, and that living against them can very much lead to you being denied by Him.

I dont understand why people chop that up to being "saved by works".

 

[Ariel82]

I got to go run errands but don't see how submitting to the Lordship of Christ is false.

Found this article that I plan to read later on the topic..

A 15-Year Retrospective on the Lordship Controversy

 

[Grace777x70]

There are websites for it and against it as usual with anything to do with the scriptures and people's beliefs and both sides are heretics to each other...

I found a balanced view on this subject. He talks about good intentions and the fact that the term "lordship salvation" is a good one - the rubber meets the road when we define what that means. This video is only 3 minutes long..


[video=youtube;msWsC0srUas]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msWsC0srUas[/video]

 

[crossnote]

Understanding the Lordship Salvation Controversy - Christian Research Institute

This article defines Lordship salvation as....

“Lordship salvation” advocates say that in order to be saved, one must not only believe and acknowledge that Christ is Lord, but also submit to His lordship. In other words, there must be — at the moment one trusts in Christ for salvation — a willingness to commit one’s life absolutely to the Lord, even though the actual practice of a committed life may not follow immediately or completely. Non-lordship proponents argue that such a pre-salvation commitment to Christ’s lordship compromises salvation by grace."

the problem with this approach is that it strips one of assurance. There is always the lingering thought, 'have I submitted enough?', 'have I committed enough?', was it genuine enough?'. No rest in that approach.

 

[Grace777x70]

I got to go run errands but don't see how submitting to the Lordship of Christ is false.

Found this article that I plan to read later on the topic..

A 15-Year Retrospective on the Lordship Controversy

That's from the man who invented the term so it might be good to read also those who look at it from a different perspective.

That could be like asking Monsanto to give their views on whether chemicals they produce and used in our foods are ok.

 

[crossnote]

There are websites for it and against it as usual with anything to do with the scriptures and people's beliefs and both sides are heretics to each other...

I found a balanced view on this subject. He talks about good intentions and the fact that the term "lordship salvation" is a good one - the rubber meets the road when we define what that means. This video is only 3 minutes long..


[video=youtube;msWsC0srUas]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msWsC0srUas[/video]

But he ends up concluding..."it's a sad system in my estimation"...which I agree.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

the problem with this approach is that it strips one of assurance. There is always the lingering thought, 'have I submitted enough?', 'have I committed enough?', was it genuine enough?'. No rest in that approach.

One thing I hate about this debate is the unwillingness to accept certain bible verses. When someone posts warnings in the bible about turning to sin, you get the same "salvation is not by works" and "those who believe in Him shall not perish" verses in response. And those are important, too. But I dont know why people cant put them all together as one teaching.

Paul wrote in Galatians 2:21 that we do not nullify grace, that if righteousness were from the law, Christ died for nothing. But we are still warned to be watchful, and told that sin leads to death. I think the lesson is clear. Accept Him as your Lord and Savior, and obey His commandments. If we love Him, we will keep His commandments. But God is merciful, when we fall, we can come back to Him and repent again, and ask for help. If we continue to be faithful to Him, both in Him being our Lord and Savior, we are saved by His grace, as a gift and act of compassion and mercy. But that means we must submit to Him as our Lord, there is no room for ignoring His commandments.


Theres too much debating over which verses we should listen to, I think its all one teaching, and we should accept all of it.

 

[Nikki84]

I believe that accepting Him as your Lord and Savior means accepting His commandments, and that living against them can very much lead to you being denied by Him.

I dont understand why people chop that up to being "saved by works".

I can't understand it either

 

[crossnote]

One thing I hate about this debate is the unwillingness to accept certain bible verses. When someone posts warnings in the bible about turning to sin, you get the same "salvation is not by works" and "those who believe in Him shall not perish" verses in response. And those are important, too. But I dont know why people cant put them all together as one teaching.

Paul wrote in Galatians 2:21 that we do not nullify grace, that if righteousness were from the law, Christ died for nothing. But we are still warned to be watchful, and told that sin leads to death. I think the lesson is clear. Accept Him as your Lord and Savior, and obey His commandments. If we love Him, we will keep His commandments. But God is merciful, when we fall, we can come back to Him and repent again, and ask for help. If we continue to be faithful to Him, both in Him being our Lord and Savior, we are saved by His grace, as a gift and act of compassion and mercy. But that means we must submit to Him as our Lord, there is no room for ignoring His commandments.


Theres too much debating over which verses we should listen to, I think its all one teaching, and we should accept all of it.

But those who have received the true Savior, will be regenerated and fruit will be produced by the Lord in them even if it takes some serious purging of His children.
There needs to be a clear demarcation between the new birth and growth.

 

[Grace777x70]

But he ends up concluding..."it's a sad system in my estimation"...which I agree.

I agree too.....it is really undoable in real life and it begs the constant question .."Have I done enough?..have I persevered enough?..what happens if I don't live up to everything?"

It is focused mainly on the person themselves and what "they do" instead of what Christ has done.

In theory "Lordship salvation" sounds good as He is Lord no matter what and every person will one day acknowledge He is Lord. It's in the "application" of the term where it falls apart. IMO

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Too bad you didn't define what lordship salvation is before stating that it's false teaching.

Personally, I find it unfathomable that people actually believe they will be saved without being obedient to the lord.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I never entirely understand who these threads are aimed at. Who is claiming that we have to achieve certain goals to be saved?

Mr Scarecrow




(strawman, that is...)

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Bottom line.....
If you are trusting in your own righteous works of obedience as "evidence" that you are saved, the bible says you are either lost or deceived!

Knowing a tree by the fruit that it bears is "evidence" that the righteousness of Christ is working in you (not our own righteousness, but His). To ignore evil works as any kind of "evidence", or righteous works as any kind of "evidence" is to also ignore Jesus words of warning about being disobedient and sinful and knowing a tree by it's fruit, or lack thereof.

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.