Sin shall not have dominion over us that are in Christ

Grace777x70 · Oct 16, 2016

Here is a great teaching on the truth that sin shall not have dominion over us because we are in Christ. This teacher shows that when people say that it's ok to live in adultery because they are under grace - he shows that they are not in fact "living" under grace at all or they wouldn't be doing what they are doing. He tells them to repent of that and to come to the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.

There are those amongst us that think slandering and being deceitful towards others in the body of Christ and exhibiting their malice towards them is somehow godly behavior.

BUT in reality the above mindsets that slander and have malice towards others in the body of Christ are no different than the Christian living the homosexual lifestyle and saying that we can live like that because we are under grace and God loves us and wants us to be happy. Both are wrong and deceived.

Both of these mindsets are indicative of being a baby Christian as 1 Peter 2:1-2 shows - it shows those that exhibit malice, slander, deceit, envy and hypocrisy towards others in the body of Christ are in fact baby Christians.

- even if they have been a Christian for 60 years, can quote 1/2 of the N.T - can read fluently in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic, pastor churches, pray in tongues 5 hours a day....etc.

Let's grow up in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and bring honor to the Lord and bring life to those around us. Many times they are not rejecting Christ - they are rejecting our portrayal of Christ...selah

This video is only 12 minutes long. Let's hear what the "horse is actually saying" about sin not having dominion in our lives because of the Lord Jesus Christ's work for us on the cross, burial, quickening, resurrection and ascension to the Father.

[video=youtube;I-DcZA8NO44]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-DcZA8NO44[/video]

mpaper345 · Oct 16, 2016

Sin shall not have dominion over us as long as we are led of the Spirit,for that is the only way we can be in Christ,for if any person have not the Spirit of Christ they are none of His.

But not all who say Lord,Lord,will dwell with Jesus,because they were led of the flesh while claiming Christ,which Jesus said they were workers of iniquity,having a form of godliness;but denying the Spirit leading them,ever learning and never able to come to the truth.

So we cannot say all we have to do is confess Christ,because obviously there is more to it.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

And we cannot say sin does not effect our relationship with God,for that is what the people that said Lord,Lord,but could not dwell with Jesus believed,all you have to do is confess Christ,and sin does not effect their relationship with Christ,and then found out it was wrong.

They were ever learning,and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth,by claiming Christ,and never giving up sin,thinking it did not effect their relationship with God.

Someone that has received the Spirit,does not want sin anymore,and knows it does effect their relationship with God,and if they do sin,they repent,and get rid of it,and continue on being led of the Spirit.

AbigailZeke · Oct 16, 2016

Amen! Those that the Son has set free, are free indeed.

ladylynn · Oct 16, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Here is a great teaching on the truth that sin shall not have dominion over us because we are in Christ. This teacher shows that when people say that it's ok to live in adultery because they are under grace - he shows that they are not in fact "living" under grace at all or they wouldn't be doing what they are doing. He tells them to repent of that and to come to the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.

There are those amongst us that think slandering and being deceitful towards others in the body of Christ and exhibiting their malice towards them is somehow godly behavior.

BUT in reality the above mindsets that slander and have malice towards others in the body of Christ are no different than the Christian living the homosexual lifestyle and saying that we can live like that because we are under grace and God loves us and wants us to be happy. Both are wrong and deceived.

Both of these mindsets are indicative of being a baby Christian as 1 Peter 2:1-2 shows - it shows those that exhibit malice, slander, deceit, envy and hypocrisy towards others in the body of Christ are in fact baby Christians.

- even if they have been a Christian for 60 years, can quote 1/2 of the N.T - can read fluently in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic, pastor churches, pray in tongues 5 hours a day....etc.

Let's grow up in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and bring honor to the Lord and bring life to those around us. Many times they are not rejecting Christ - they are rejecting our portrayal of Christ...selah

This video is only 12 minutes long. Let's hear what the "horse is actually saying" about sin not having dominion in our lives because of the Lord Jesus Christ's work for us on the cross, burial, quickening, resurrection and ascension to the Father.

[video=youtube;I-DcZA8NO44]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-DcZA8NO44[/video]

Thanks for posting this Grace777. Many Christians here on cc should 'repent' (change their minds about him.) He is a good brother.

Gr8grace · Oct 16, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Grace777. Even Joseph Prince is teaching wrong on this. Romans 6:14 is not talking about overt sin and sinful acts.

Sin is in the singular so Paul is talking about the sin nature or flesh. And he is comparing the flesh/sin nature to the LAW. SO He is specifically talking about spiritual adultery.

And to say that "sin shall not have dominion over us." is a Future/ACTIVE/indicative........." the sin nature MUST NOT BE ALLOWED to have dominion over us."

SO Paul is using the sin nature and the LAW for his example. Sin should not have dominion over us for we are not under the LAW. Living in our sin nature and putting our selves under the Law again.............is spiritual adultery.

The Church age believer is not under Law, but Grace. We don't live by precepts, we live by principle's of GRACE.

HisHolly · Oct 16, 2016

Gr8grace said:

Grace777. Even Joseph Prince is teaching wrong on this. Romans 6:14 is not talking about overt sin and sinful acts.

Sin is in the singular so Paul is talking about the sin nature or flesh. And he is comparing the flesh/sin nature to the LAW. SO He is specifically talking about spiritual adultery.

And to say that "sin shall not have dominion over us." is a Future/ACTIVE/indicative........." the sin nature MUST NOT BE ALLOWED to have dominion over us."

SO Paul is using the sin nature and the LAW for his example. Sin should not have dominion over us for we are not under the LAW. Living in our sin nature and putting our selves under the Law again.............is spiritual adultery.

The Church age believer is not under Law, but Grace. We don't live by precepts, we live by principle's of GRACE.

Care to expound on that last statement? I'd love to read what you mean exactly.. seriously, I'm curious.. some don't know what you'd mean fully, can we get an explanation? Ty for your time

Yonah · Oct 16, 2016

true enough and ive seen those who point out such things are commonly among the worse offenders in that area.

lastofall · Oct 16, 2016

This saying as well as other sayings such as (1 Corinthians 10:12) God tells us that we may know we must repent when we sin, and not to seek excuse not to.

PeterJens · Oct 16, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

I am curious. Most people are neutral in their expressions, they disagree with a particular
teacher but have neither hatred or love for them, it is about doctrine and points of view.

Now most christians are sincere but can be taught to hate. I knew a man who hated catholics,
because catholics were the anti-christ. Now I am sure there were some evil people in the
church like in all organisations, but hatred?

Now my objection to HG is simple, it denies the power of love and the cross in the heart of
a believer. I personally have no malice toward JP, I just believe he preaches heresy.

But I think this is the point, it is easier to malign the critics than answer the criticsm.
Now JP hates the normal church and continual pours condemnation on other preachers
in almost every sermon. So equally a video about JP is started with those who have
malice etc. It seems malice is the fruit that abides in this place, but it is not from the
critics.

Grace777x70 · Oct 16, 2016

Gr8grace said:

I too, like you - think that "sin" not having dominion over us is referring to the sin that is in the flesh not having dominion because we are in the spirit in Christ and not in the flesh.

I look at "sinning" ( the action ) as a response to the deceitfulness of sin ( that which is still in our flesh ) if we yield to the lie that the sin in our flesh is saying to us. Kind of like cause and effect - that is if we believe the lie of sin that speaks to us.

I too believe that the more we get a revelation that we are not in the flesh but really in the spirit because the real us is in Christ - then "the influence" of that sin loses it's power because of walking by the Spirit which is all based on the grace of Christ alone.

It's the influence of sin in our flesh that deceives us into doing the action of sinning. That is what I see in "sin shall not have dominion over us".

Romans 8:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

Galatians 5:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.

BenFTW · Oct 16, 2016

PeterJens said:

You shouldn't confuse upholding the truth for malice. A believer calling out the body of Christ on a false doctrine or misunderstanding of the Gospel is not malice. Consider Martin Luther and being justified by faith, surely you wouldn't accuse him of malice but rather the Lord working through him to bring a revelation of His truth to the body of Christ that has been there all along.

In the same way it seems people are coming to an understanding of the grace of God, and the mistake of the Galatians in a very real way. People think it is taboo to say, but history proves itself. Revelation is progressive, not that it is new but rather it has been there all along and then in a moment our eyes are opened. This happened with justified by faith and is now happening with the grace of God bestowed through Jesus Christ.

Gr8grace · Oct 16, 2016

HisHolly said:

Do not grieve the Holy Spirit

Do not quench to Holy Spirit

Walk in the Spirit

Be filled with the Spirit.

If we do these things................we are living in the PRINCIPLES of Grace and living the Christian way of life.

To live in precepts or the law and do's and don'ts we are living in sin. Whether in be the "good"(evil/human good) side of our flesh or the sinful side

InSpiritInTruth · Oct 16, 2016

That's how we know JP and his cult following are not truly under grace, because they also still live in sin and confess to wilful and daily sin. So surely you can see the contradiction?

Grace777x70 · Oct 16, 2016

This should help to know the difference between "sin" - the noun used in Romans 6:14 "sin shall not have dominion over you" and "sinning" the verb which is the action of sinning.

In order to understand Romans 6-7 ( and then finally chapter 8 where the Spirit comes in ) we need to understand the difference between "sin" and "sinning".

Not knowing this leads to all kinds of doctrines like this "sinless perfection in the flesh" one that some try to promote. This doctrine will upset the faith of the young Christian and really in the end promote turmoil in their minds and ship-wreck their faith.

This will also create a works-righteousness mindset instead of a faith-righteousness one that is completely fixed on Christ's completed work for the believer.

We will always have the flesh with us and anyone that says they never are "sinning" have a very low opinion of the holiness of God and are only thinking of the "biggie sins" which they don't do.

Malice and slander and things like these ( Gal. 5:21 ) are just as destructive as living a homosexual lifestyle.

There is a difference between sin the noun and sinning the verb. Set free from sin does not mean set free from sinning entirely the rest of one's life. Sin the noun has been guaranteed in the flesh which is why the Holy Spirit circumcised our hearts ( where He lives and is joined as one in the spirit with us) from the body of flesh.

Romans chapter 6 and 7 uses the noun "sin" 48x times ( which speaks of the law of sin that is in our flesh ) and only once as the verb which is the action of "sinning".

Here is what Vine's describes this "law of sin" that is in the flesh - acting through the members of our body when we yield to it.

"a governing principle or power, e.g., Rom. 6:6; "(the body) of sin," here "sin" is spoken of as an organized power, acting through the members of the body, "

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.

The set free from sin ( the noun ) is relating to not having to be subject anymore to the flesh because we have been sealed in our spirit in our inner man in Christ. - the new creation in Him.

The law of sin is in the flesh and will be there until we leave this earth. Romans 7:19-22. which is where we are not "in the flesh" as Paul says in Romans 8:9 : BUT "in the Spirit".

Colossians 2:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;

Now we are to walk by the Spirit so that we will not fulfill the flesh to do "its" desires. Romans 6:13

As our minds get renewed to the truth of Christ and what He has already done for us - the Holy Spirit transforms us and we live a holier life. This is all God's work but we participate in it with Him. ( sometimes this is also called the saving of the soul which the mind is a part of )

FlSnookman7 · Oct 16, 2016

The contradiction I usually see is when those who claim they believe in Christ do not have the faith to believe what He said about them. We are redeemed, made clean, and right now our spirits are with Jesus in Heaven. To claim we must do this or that to remain saved not only shows an utter lack of faith but it upholds the false doctrines of churches like the rcc and coc that use it to keep control of those they claim to care about. If believers in grace are a "cult" as you claim, count me in. Since paul first shared the gospel of Jesus there have been those who would debase it and attack it because it takes power away from man made institutions and gives it back to God. Since He has always had the power anyway those blinded by the false teaching of the major churches are being fooled two times. Once by their ego and once by their church. I understand how difficult it is to stop trying to control our fate and trust Jesus, I too struggled with it but once you allow yourself to have faith then and only then amazing things will occur.

PeterJens · Oct 16, 2016

BenFTW said:

My comment is continually saying people oppose something out of malice and not just they
disagree, is because the person has malice against people disagreeing.

Often you will find those who jump in and say an emotion or feeling is the true reason for
disagreement, often are hiding the very same emotion in themselves. I have seen this ploy
used by any number of groups, and generates antagonism, which then is pointed to as, I told
you so.

The only thing that actually matters are the issues in question.

It is like someone saying, how dare you say what I believe is bad, because you have got it all
wrong. They then explain the same ideas, but with a positive spin. So what they are being sensitive
to is not the content but the additional emotional context. But if the content brings its own emotional
context that is bad, then this is just saying the meaning of a message is not relevant, just that you
accept it. That is called brain washing.

I listened recently to a commedian who used to be a Jehovah Witness member. They had a term for
free thinking and it was evil, in of itself which is where this packaging of ideas eventually leads.
But then to those who just accept these concepts without question will disagree because only those
who hate disagree, because why else would you not accept it as the truth? Because it is wrong maybe.

PeterJens · Oct 16, 2016

FlSnookman7 said:

Where is this is scripture? Never heard our spirits are with Jesus in heaven.
Bible verses etc

HisHolly · Oct 16, 2016

Gr8grace said:

Do not grieve the Holy Spirit

Do not quench to Holy Spirit

Walk in the Spirit

Be filled with the Spirit.

If we do these things................we are living in the PRINCIPLES of Grace and living the Christian way of life.

To live in precepts or the law and do's and don'ts we are living in sin. Whether in be the "good"(evil/human good) side of our flesh or the sinful side

thank you!
11 (11 just to take up character space)

Grace777x70 · Oct 16, 2016

Here in Ephesians it talks about us being raised up and seated with Christ at the right hand of the Father.

Both raised up and seated are in the aorist indicative which means an event that happened in the past. We as Christians are seated with Christ because we are one with the Lord in our spirit.

Ephesians 2:4-6 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,

[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

[SUP]6 [/SUP] and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Here is says we are one spirit with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 6:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

There are over 100 verses talking about us being in Christ and Christ being in us.

FlSnookman7 · Oct 16, 2016

PeterJens said:

Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Ephesians 2:5-6 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

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