Originally Posted by
DiscipleDave
Brother, the FAITH-ONLY based believers will
reject any teaching that teaches "Faith and Works" go hand in hand, even rejecting the very Scriptures that teaches that.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
I only quoted the first line...why....because it is a blatant lie and proves that you do not listen and or read what is written.
If you would have quoted the first line, then i would know what you are talking about here. But if you are referring to the first line from what you quoted above, how is that a blatant lie. Faith-ONLY believers believe that Faith ONLY is enough and there need not be any works at all. This is a true statement for those who believe Faith-
ONLY. Faith ONLY believers only believe Faith is enough, and works are not required at all, period, that is what Faith ONLY believers believe. So i do not understand why you are saying blatant lie. And if that is not the first line you are referring to, then please quote what i said that you think is a blatant lie.
How can you keep your salvation when MISREPRESENT the TRUTH so much pal.....?
By this statement, it would indicate you believe a person can lose their Salvation. Aren't you a OSAS believer?
I have not seen ONE who believes the BIBLICAL stance on salvation reject that WORKS are a RESULT of salvation one already POSSESES by FAITH.....and EVEN creation PROVES that stance........
All this is True, and has nothing to do with those who believe Faith ONLY is enough.
FAITH plus WORKS for salvation is a lie from hell that has NO power to save...submit to GALATIANS 1, 3 pal.
And yet Scriptures teach it requires both. You are saying it does not, but Scriptures teach that is does. So should i believe you which believes a few verses, or believe all the verses in the Bible.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
According to this inspired by God verses, which you seem to make void solely based on the few verses that you hold on to, Who does Jesus dwell in? Who dwells in Jesus? Those who keep His commandments, and what are His Commandments according to these inspired by God verses? Those who believe in Jesus (Faith) AND Love One Another (Works). So then how am i wrong by saying the exact same thing as these inspired by God verses. That those who dwell in Jesus WILL have Faith and Works TOGETHER, exactly as these verses plainly teach, but this generation totally ignores. And why does this generation ignore these verses, because they believe FAITH is All that is required for Salvation, and therefore reject any verses which teach otherwise, like the verses above, which plainly teach those who dwell in Jesus will have Faith and Works together. Woe to everyone who pick and choose which verses they will believe and which ones they will reject, make void, or interpret to mean something other than what it actually says.
FAITH ALONE saves...end of story
i have not said otherwise. Faith ALONE saves a person, that is True. And once a person is Saved, then Faith and Works prevents that person from being blotted out of the Book of Life. How many times do i have to say, there is a difference from Getting Saved, and Being Saved. Faith only saves a person. Faith and Works go hand in hand once a person is SAVED.
IT pleased GOD by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that BELIEVE...end of story
Again, that is True, in Getting Saved. But once a person has received the free gift of Salvation, Faith and Works go hand in hand. This is what Scriptures teach, end of story.
and WE have ALL said that the works are the RESULT of salvation and JESUS IN YOU..
So then we are in agreement, yes? After a person is Saved, they WILL have Works, because of Jesus living inside them, is this not what i have been saying all along, to which you disagree?
...NOW to the creation part that proves your error....
Brother is it so hard to quote what it is you are responding to?
A apple tree SPROUTS from SEED and is ALIVE as an apple tree....and AFTER a few years of GROWTH and MATURITY produce fruit ........go learn that lesson and quit lying so much and misrepresenting the truth of what is actually said.....by your own doctrine you prove that you are not saved and or have lost it a million times.....
No clue as to what you are referring to here. You did not quote what i said. An apple tree sprouts from seen and is ALIVE as an apple tree, This is True, have i said differently somewhere? You say "and AFTER a few years of GROWTH and MATURITY produce fruit", i agree, have i said differently somewhere?
You say "go learn that lesson and quit lying so much and misrepresenting the truth of what is actually said" If i have lied about something then quote what i have said that you think is a lie. If i have misrepresented something, then quote what i said that you think is misrepresenting the Truth. Thanks.
You say "by your own doctrine you prove that you are not saved and or have lost it a million times....." Are you now a judge who is Saved and who is not Saved? If you say my doctrine proves that i am not saved, then quote the doctrine that i have said that Proves i am not Saved. i teach "Love One Another", "Start obeying Jesus ONLY", "Stop obeying Satan", "Go, Sin no more", "Faith and Works go hand in hand". Which of these things are you referring to, that i am not saved? Or do you think that because what you believe to be the Truth contradicts what i teach?
You say " or have lost it a million times....."
You need to make up your mind. If you don't believe a person can lose their Salvation after getting Saved, then how are you now referencing that i have lost mine a million times? Are you now saying a person can lose their Salvation?
I have never seen one so full of themselves
Where have i demonstrated that i am full of myself? You accuse this thing of me, yet show no evidence to support such a claim. If i have done this thing that you accuse me of, then reveal it. If you can't reveal it, then how is that not falsely judging me?
and one that misrepresents the truth of what is actually said as much as you do......
i always QUOTE to that which i am replying. If then i have misrepresented the truth in some way, can't you likewise do the same? Quote what i have said that you think is misrepresenting the Truth. Thanks.
..OH that's right...your a prophet
And you think i am false, yet you have not shown one Scripture which proves that. Is it not True, that you think i am a false prophet, because what i teach does not line up with what dcontroversal thinks is the TRUTH? Thank God the spirits are not tried by dcontroversal, or DiscipleDave for that matter. The Spirits are tried via the Word of God, the Holy Inspired Scriptures. If a voice tells a person to do [A] you try the Spirits by comparing what the voice said to the Word of God, to the Inspired Holy Scriptures, NOT according to what people say or think. We try the spirits by and through the Word of God, not Try the Spirits through what people believe is the Truth.
So dcontroversal, if you think i am false, then show any Scripture, any verse, that i have taught something contrary? Any verse will do. But you see, you have judged me to be false, because that is what dcontroveral believes and NOT what any Scriptures teach. i know who i am, and what God made me. If i were to say i am not a prophet, i am then a LIAR. And deny what God made me.
..OH that's right...your a prophet and GOD speaks directly to you
He has spoken to me, He doesn't presently, He has not spoken to me since 1994. Tell me something. Does God speak to people directly? Is there any evidence in Scriptures where God has spoken to people? If then it is a well known FACT that God does speak to people directly. And He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. How do you know that God did not speak to me directly? What is the basis of your belief that He did not speak to me, as i testify that He did? Has Anything that He has told me, which i have told you, is unbiblical? Seriously, if you believe God did not speak to me, then reveal your basis for that, What have i said that makes you believe God did not speak to me? What have i said that contradicts even one verse in all of Scriptures? Is it not True, that you do not believe God spoke to me, solely because what i teach YOU do not agree with, and therefore because it does not line up with YOU, i must be false, is that not correct? If it isn't then show what i have said that reveals God did not speak to me.
..OH that's right...your a prophet and GOD speaks directly to you and will reference you by your CC chat name on the day of judgment to condemn all of us who believe we are saved completely by JESUS and his finished work.....I keep forgetting that!
You accuse me, of not reading posts, and yet the speck is still in your eyes. i have never said that it is me who will condemn anyone, yet you continually accuse me of saying that, even after i have repeatedly told you otherwise, but for some reason the voice is still telling you that is what i was saying, and therefore won't listen to the Truth.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave