Not By Works
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Yes, I confirmed there is only one gospel, but you ignored my point.
so if you agreed, you should have left it at that.
I never made any mention or comment about which of us were right., nor did i discuss that.
I did not ignore your point.
my only point was that there was only 1 not both could be right.
so if you agreed, you should have left it at that.
I never made any mention or comment about which of us were right., nor did i discuss that.
I did not ignore your point.
so if you agreed, you should have left it at that.
I never made any mention or comment about which of us were right., nor did i discuss that.
I did not ignore your point.
I invite you to discuss election systematically on the Hermeneutics thread if that topic interests you.
Oh, I see. I misunderstood "We both can not be right" to mean that you claim to be right. Sorry.
No. We both can not be right. means
that maybe one of is is right,
Maybe we both are wrong (and there is actually another truth we are not seeing)
but we both can not be right.
I invite you to discuss election systematically on the Hermeneutics thread if that topic interests you.
It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!
English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Berean Study Bible
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
Berean Literal Bible
He saved us, not by works in righteousness that we did, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Berean Study Bible
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
Berean Literal Bible
He saved us, not by works in righteousness that we did, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Our righteousness is as filthy rags.
Isa 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
But someone who has experienced the loving mercy of God, and who has Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the Father dwelling in their spirit, should be capable of better works than those.
Any good deeds I do are as a result of my salvation and in no way can they earn me salvation. Anything I do is out of loving gratitude to God.
See. thats why I can not have a conversation with you. You continue to see what you want to see and try to insert that into our discussions.
No. We both can not be right. means
that maybe one of is is right,
Maybe we both are wrong (and there is actually another truth we are not seeing)
but we both can not be right.
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No. We both can not be right. means
that maybe one of is is right,
Maybe we both are wrong (and there is actually another truth we are not seeing)
but we both can not be right.
...
However, my bias is to see how it may be possible for both to be right,
because as you said, there may be another truth not being seen by either,
which IMHO could be the right harmonization of the two opinions.