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rstrats

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Magenta,
re: "Don't confuse your timelines. Some are given in the Jewish way of marking time, and other texts give the Gentile way, with day starting in the morning and not at night."

Is there a third way which starts at midnight?




re: "That is why one text will say: From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. And another will say: Now from the sixth hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour."

I'm not sure I see your point. I wonder if you might explain?
 

JohnTalmid

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Magenta,
re: "Don't confuse your timelines. Some are given in the Jewish way of marking time, and other texts give the Gentile way, with day starting in the morning and not at night."

Is there a third way which starts at midnight?


re: "That is why one text will say: From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. And another will say: Now from the sixth hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour."

I'm not sure I see your point. I wonder if you might explain?
Night does proceed day by scripture. However I counted days and nights to avoid any confusion about this issue. There is no way they would have counted midnight as the beginning of the day as it would split up one night into two.
In other words at the death of Messiah on the stake there was darkness on the land most likely until He was I'm the heart of the earth. Wed night, (from our perspective) by the way of accounting the night according to scripture would actually be Thursday Night. Even if we do this Saturday night would be, (from our perspective) Friday night. He would have been on the heart of the earth for only two nights at this point.
Take three strips of paper and color black the first half. Thursday being preparation day would be day one, Friday is day two, and Saturday is day three. Because we have testimony of the risen Master before the Sun was up and the stone was removed we find a fulfillment of scripture in, "He will not let His Holy One spoil, but will raise Him from death to life". Sunday worship is the tradition of men not God. Not that it is wrong to worship any day, it is however wrong to nullify the command of Sabbath because, "we all keep it in remembrance of the Lord". Isn't this how so many perished in the wilderness? They mixed the true faith of Elohim with tradition of men and doctrine of demons. We are even called to not bow down to idols to worship them. Don't eat anything with the blood in it. Also keep from fornication. Where also is it written that they will store idols in their heart's in this time.

Friends move on past the infancy of believing only in Messiah and come to maturity. This age is winding down and your crown of life is in jeopardy from the destroyer who wonders about like a lion, seeking who he may devour.
 

Endoscopy

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Don't confuse your timelines. Some are given in the Jewish way of marking time, and other texts give the Gentile way, with day starting in the morning and not at night. That is why one text will say:

From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land.

And another will say:

Now from the sixth hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour.
You need to remember that Jews wrote the New Testament!! At that time there was the Jewish and Roman method of time. When they name the hour it normally is Roman time of day but possibly the Jewish time.
 

rstrats

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Endoscopy,

You make the point that the NT was written by Jews and then say that they normally use Roman time. Why?
 
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Happy Sabbath my time from the future to all those who through Faith LOVE God and keep His commandments. Hope everyone is doing well and you are growing in Grace and the knowledge of HIM who LOVES you with the LOVE that he wishes in all those who have chosen to follow him in LOVE.

May God bless you all:)
 

JaumeJ

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Good Sabbath to you and to all.....

Happy Sabbath my time from the future to all those who through Faith LOVE God and keep His commandments. Hope everyone is doing well and you are growing in Grace and the knowledge of HIM who LOVES you with the LOVE that he wishes in all those who have chosen to follow him in LOVE.

May God bless you all:)
 

loveme1

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In GOD’s Grace May we all have a Restful Sabbath thanks to our Lord and Saviour.
 

stillness

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Walk trough the valley
Hi, I am trying to keep God's Holy day in the correct way, I do not go to a church because there are only two churches in the village in which I live and although I have been asked to join one of them, they do not keep God's Holy day on a Saturday.

I wondered if any one else have the same problem, and if so what you do.
"One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."
"A time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks."

I encourage you not to fall from the grace of God to another gospel witch is not good news. The enemy seeks to change times and laws in the last days. Without holiness no one shall see the Lord The law can't make you Holy.
"A new commandment I give to you, that you Love one another; as I Love you, that you also Love one another."
The new commandment fulfills, the 2 commandments that the law and prophets hang on and not about you fulfilling the Law, but following Jesus in Hid death to all that is not of God. "There remains a rest for the people of God so that they that have entered into rest have ceased from their work as God did from His." Having entered into rest with God is the fulfillment of the Sabbath and is in the fellowship of His sufferings and death.
I Have posted much on the subject if you care to have more information.
 

stillness

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Walk trough the valley
[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Those who enforce their view of Sabbath as a day of the week serve to convince us to appreciate the freedom we have in Christ, not to be entangled with the yoke of bondage. "Being dead to the law by the Body of Christ."
I am not saying that your imposing your view on others here, as some other and you may be walking in the freedom you have in Christ. But some will not hear, just as "Blindness in part happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles have come in."
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BillG

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Endoscopy,

You make the point that the NT was written by Jews and then say that they normally use Roman time. Why?
If memory serves me the Jews had a different meaning of time to the Romans.
If we look at the following.

Mark 15:25


25 Now it was the third hour, and they crucified Him.

John 19:14
14 Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, “Behold your King!”

Matthew 27:45
Jesus Dies on the Cross
45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land.

It does seem there is a discrepancy. When in fact there really isn't one.


The gospels were not written to one community as such.

They were written to send to send to different recipients.

John was probably writing to the Hellenists and Mark to the Jews.



Both had a different calendar as to when day started and ended.

So it's up just relating it to the audience and thier culture.
 

DiscipleDave

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Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

It is better to believe the Apostle John who walked and was taught by Jesus Christ Himself, who plainly and clearly teaches us Christians what His Commandments are.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is His commandment, That we should 1) Believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, AND 2) Love One Another, as He gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Anyone, and i say ANYONE who teaches contrary to the above inspired by God Scriptures given to us by the Apostle John who was filled with the Holy Ghost, is not of God but teaches false doctrines which are contrary to the above Scriptures.

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DiscipleDave
I don’t even think this type of statement needs answering.. seriously strange... in light of what it is in regard to...
Sorry, i don't understand your response. First there is no question asked. Secondly, the statement i made is to those who believe and teach that keeping "His Commandments" are to 1) Keep the Sabbath and/or 2) Keep the 10 Commandments.
How than is my statement strange to you, when it is a direct response to the Thread about keeping the Sabbath?

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DiscipleDave
 

DiscipleDave

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Everything John writes is of Jesus for he is counted among the Twelve.

You ask, isn't it better t learn from John. It is good to learn of John, but it is not only better but best to learn of Jesus Christ first-hand.........

Jesus Christ invites us to learn from Him directly when He declares His yoke is easy and His burden is light.

This is in fulfillment of the prophecy we shall be taught of God........
What the Apostle taught and what Jesus taught are both inspired by God. To say one is better than the other is wrong. Know you not it is written:

1Co_14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

So then the things the Apostles teach us are Commandments of Jesus Christ.
What they teach us is given to them by Jesus and the Holy Ghost.
Therefore we are to obey Jesus, the Apostles, and the Holy Ghost. One not being better or worse than the other.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
 

DiscipleDave

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New Testament truth but not applicable to the Old Testament. Before Christ died on the cross and was resurrected animal sacrifices were made. Why do you think one of His names is the Lamb of God?? A lamb without blemish was the preferred sacrifice. In Old Testament times this was done yearly,

https://www.gotquestions.org/animal-sacrifices.html


Question: "Why did God require animal sacrifices in the Old Testament?"

Answer: God required animal sacrifices to provide a temporary covering of sins and to foreshadow the perfect and complete sacrifice of Jesus Christ (Leviticus 4:35, 5:10). Animal sacrifice is an important theme found throughout Scripture because “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness” (Hebrews 9:22). When Adam and Eve sinned, animals were killed by God to provide clothing for them (Genesis 3:21). Cain and Abel brought sacrifices to the Lord. Cain's was unacceptable because he brought fruit, while Abel's was acceptable because it was the “firstborn of his flock” (Genesis 4:4-5). After the flood receded, Noah sacrificed animals to God (Genesis 8:20-21).

God commanded the nation of Israel to perform numerous sacrifices according to certain procedures prescribed by God. First, the animal had to be spotless. Second, the person offering the sacrifice had to identify with the animal. Third, the person offering the animal had to inflict death upon it. When done in faith, this sacrifice provided a temporary covering of sins. Another sacrifice called for on the Day of Atonement, described in Leviticus 16, demonstrates forgiveness and the removal of sin. The high priest was to take two male goats for a sin offering. One of the goats was sacrificed as a sin offering for the people of Israel (Leviticus 16:15), while the other goat was released into the wilderness (Leviticus 16:20-22). The sin offering provided forgiveness, while the other goat provided the removal of sin.

Why, then, do we no longer offer animal sacrifices today? Animal sacrifices have ended because Jesus Christ was the ultimate and perfect sacrifice. John the Baptist recognized this when he saw Jesus coming to be baptized and said, “Look, the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29). You may be asking yourself, why animals? What did they do wrong? That is the point—since the animals did no wrong, they died in place of the one performing the sacrifice. Jesus Christ also did no wrong but willingly gave Himself to die for the sins of mankind (1 Timothy 2:6). Jesus Christ took our sin upon Himself and died in our place. As 2 Corinthians 5:21 says, “God made him [Jesus] who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” Through faith in what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross, we can receive forgiveness.

In summation, animal sacrifices were commanded by God so that the individual could experience forgiveness of sin. The animal served as a substitute—that is, the animal died in place of the sinner, but only temporarily, which is why the sacrifices needed to be offered over and over. Animal sacrifices have stopped with Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was the ultimate sacrificial substitute once for all time (Hebrews 7:27) and is now the only mediator between God and humanity (1 Timothy 2:5). Animal sacrifices foreshadowed Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf. The only basis on which an animal sacrifice could provide forgiveness of sins is Christ who would sacrifice Himself for our sins, providing the forgiveness that animal sacrifices could only illustrate and foreshadow.
This is well said, concerning animal Sacrifices.

You say above
Animal sacrifices have ended
But animal sacrifices will start up again in Jerusalem when the 3rd Temple is built during the 7 year peace agreement between the Jews and the Muslims. Remember the Jews do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, they are still waiting for Him to return. So when they build their Temple, they will start animal sacrifices again. This appalls the whole world, and many turn against them.


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DiscipleDave
 

JaumeJ

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To say I belong to Joh (his teaching only, or Paul or Peter etc is not the same as belonging to Jesus Christ.

As far as my statement is concerned it is in response to another post. You commentary is not in sync with the conversation.

All who believe know the twelve are men of renown, to be honored in their own right after God of course......
 

Endoscopy

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Endoscopy,

You make the point that the NT was written by Jews and then say that they normally use Roman time. Why?
The simple fact that Rome ruled at that time and place. I read a study that looked at history and the fact that several large scale wide spread ruling governments added to the area different permanent conditions. Rome added the final requirement of transportation with the roads to spread the word about Jesus. What other time keeping would they use normally? There was the Jewish time and the Roman time. The writers of the New Testament were writing for a much larger audience than just the Jews.
 

Endoscopy

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This is well said, concerning animal Sacrifices.

You say above But animal sacrifices will start up again in Jerusalem when the 3rd Temple is built during the 7 year peace agreement between the Jews and the Muslims. Remember the Jews do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, they are still waiting for Him to return. So when they build their Temple, they will start animal sacrifices again. This appalls the whole world, and many turn against them.


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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
Eschatology (end times) is a difficult to interpret part of scripture. There is a reason for the four seperate different Biblical versions of it. Daniel and Revelation are written with a lot of symbolism. Thus making it hidden and impossible to correctly interpret what it says before it happens. Since they were written there have been many attempts to say what was happening was its fulfillment. So far all have been proved wrong because of the complete fulfillment hasn't happened. Therefore the four Biblical versions remain. Which version are you pushing?

Here are a couple of sites discussing the 4 main eschatologyical views. Notice some have minor variations.


https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm


Eschatology, end times, & millennialism: Competing theories
 
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loveme1

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Sorry, i don't understand your response. First there is no question asked. Secondly, the statement i made is to those who believe and teach that keeping "His Commandments" are to 1) Keep the Sabbath and/or 2) Keep the 10 Commandments.
How than is my statement strange to you, when it is a direct response to the Thread about keeping the Sabbath?

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Go back and read through...

You need to read my post then your own.. If then you can not see it then.. you may never see it.
 

rstrats

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Endoscopy,
re: "The simple fact that Rome ruled at that time and place."

So if no one was using Jewish time, why even mention the Jews?
 

Endoscopy

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Endoscopy,
re: "The simple fact that Rome ruled at that time and place."

So if no one was using Jewish time, why even mention the Jews?
Just to confuse people like you!!

The New Testament isn't the only place where time of day is mentioned. Remember that the Old Testament predates the Roman Empire Dippidy Doo.