The State of Israel - Authentic or Counterfeit?

[kaylagrl]

Yea, truly, I do realize that, and I am against Canada. And you mean that those who accept what politicians say as the law rather than what the Constitution says would believe that I could not preach in this country if Hillary won the presidency. But that would not stop me, you know.

Good,good, I'll be looking forward to your thread about how you cannot preach against homosexuality in Canada, and how America is not far behind. And how Islam is being pushed in every part of American society,including being written into school books.How FGM is being practiced right here in America and Sharia Law with it. How America is full of homosexuality,abortion,drugs,adultery even though we are suppose to be founded on Christian laws and principles. Im awaiting that thread so I can take part in that discussion.

 

[trofimus]

Why does "pro Israel" equate to believing they are saved in ANY other way than Christ?

It rather equates some prophetical uncritical thinking about this atheistic and unbelieving nation in the middle east.

Something like "you must support them in everything or you are against God".

 

[pete9]

Yes. So I wonder what makes US Christians to be so "pro-Israel" and why is dispensationalism, "literal millenium" etc so spread there.

The rest of the world does not seem to see it this way. Well, except of churches based by American misisonaries in those countries.

I have been to three churches based by Americans in my countrie and... what a coincidence... all those churches hold the "American" ideas about Israel, millenium etc.

There is a force that is driving the American churches...it showed itself a decade or so ago when all of mainstream went pro-sodom.. They all went at it at exactly the same time. I think it is the force of the triple 6, as is represented in the height of the washington monument (in inches).

The freemasons play a role in this country. And I think the freemasons have some exciting ideas about the temple project..

 

[pete9]

It rather equates some prophetical uncritical thinking about this atheistic and unbelieving nation in the middle east.

Something like "you must support them in everything or you are against God".

Sound similar to the treatment I got in the judaizer thread, that if I won't do jewish stuff that I'm not walking in the way of Jesus. Sophisticated and manipulative.

 

[Locutus]

Hurricanes, floods, forest fires, 2008 economic crash, it's good that America ain't being cursed...

And now Trump.....

 

[PennEd]

America knew exactly how badly the starvation and disease was across Europe but chose to prolong the war for fear of Stalin getting power of Berlin. They then murdered an estimated 2 million German troops through deliberate starvation policies.

They also dropped nukes on Japan for no reason whatsoever.

The ignorance is staggering here! This, from a man who's country brought you the INQUISITION! Since I may have forgotten my BP meds, I think I'll skeddadle!

You may now resume your regularly schedule anti-semitism and Jew hatred.

 

[pete9]

Hmm. Maybe there IS something to that "I will Bless those that Bless..." What country in history ahs been more blessed than America? Interesting that the more Anti-Israel America becomes, the MORE we're getting the OTHER half of the Lord's decree.

Hm! What about Ishmael?

 

[sevenseas]

There is a force that is driving the American churches...it showed itself a decade or so ago when all of mainstream went pro-sodom.. They all went at it at exactly the same time. I think it is the force of the triple 6, as is represented in the height of the washington monument (in inches).

The freemasons play a role in this country. And I think the freemasons have some exciting ideas about the temple project..

there are a number of people on these forums who actually know the history and who can offer legitimate discussion and documented facts

you are not one of them

you are simply venting in all directions and began the op with false statements concerning Israel

then the cult member comes along and distinguishes himself by calling those who refute your nonsense, Jew worshippers

he sounds like a thug, not a believer, and you just sound like someone who would wants a platform to complain about everything and anything

you have no biblical insight or for that matter, regard, but you just blather on and an empty can rolling down the street is what comes to mind

annoying noise with nothing to show for it other than an increasingly skeptical number of long time posters here, that are not in agreement with the drivel for all the reasons already referenced

 

[J7]

The ignorance is staggering here! This, from a man who's country brought you the INQUISITION! Since I may have forgotten my BP meds, I think I'll skeddadle!

You may now resume your regularly schedule anti-semitism and Jew hatred.

Tush tush....who is playing the Inquisitor General here?

 

[sevenseas]

When all else fails bring Hitler in....

Donna und blitzen.....

I used to think you were funny

 

[Desertsrose]

Is anyone allowed to criticize judaism or zionism without being "anti-semitic"?

I want to know if you consider Martin Luther to be an "anti-semite". For my part, I'd rather stand with him on the final day than with all of the practitioners of judaism in Christendom. Or whatever..

Hi Pete,

​At first ML reached out to the Jews to get them saved.

But when they rejected his offer, he became hateful and persecuted the Jews. He hated them ruthlessly. So are you lutheran?

I will stand with Jesus and all those who love Him on that final day.

However I don't think you'll like that day because it's prophesied that 1/3 of the nation of Israel will come to know their Messiah and as a nation will turn from their wicked ways in worship of the One and only God of the universe that chose them out of all peoples as a nation to shine brightly as a people of God. And as a nation they will!

 

[sevenseas]

Hmm. Maybe there IS something to that "I will Bless those that Bless..." What country in history ahs been more blessed than America? Interesting that the more Anti-Israel America becomes, the MORE we're getting the OTHER half of the Lord's decree.

for sure

the NT, not the old, says this:

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Galatians 3

over their heads apparently

blind hatred will do that to a person

 

[KJV1611]

Hi Pete,

​At first ML reached out to the Jews to get them saved.

But when they rejected his offer, he became hateful and persecuted the Jews. He hated them ruthlessly. So are you lutheran?

I will stand with Jesus and all those who love Him on that final day.

However I don't think you'll like that day because it's prophesied that 1/3 of the nation of Israel will come to know their Messiah and as a nation will turn from their wicked ways in worship of the One and only God of the universe that chose them out of all peoples as a nation to shine brightly as a people of God. And as a nation they will!

Where is that found in the bible?

 

[pete9]

there are a number of people on these forums who actually know the history and who can offer legitimate discussion and documented facts

you are not one of them

you are simply venting in all directions and began the op with false statements concerning Israel

then the cult member comes along and distinguishes himself by calling those who refute your nonsense, Jew worshippers

he sounds like a thug, not a believer, and you just sound like someone who would wants a platform to complain about everything and anything

you have no biblical insight or for that matter, regard, but you just blather on and an empty can rolling down the street is what comes to mind

annoying noise with nothing to show for it other than an increasingly skeptical number of long time posters here, that are not in agreement with the drivel for all the reasons already referenced

Let me paraphrase:

Conform, conform, conform! Insults, name-calling, you be stupid, conform!!

 

[sevenseas]

America knew exactly how badly the starvation and disease was across Europe but chose to prolong the war for fear of Stalin getting power of Berlin. They then murdered an estimated 2 million German troops through deliberate starvation policies.

They also dropped nukes on Japan for no reason whatsoever.

are you that Japanese guy that was hiding in the woods years after WWII ended?

 

[pete9]

Hi Pete,

​At first ML reached out to the Jews to get them saved.

But when they rejected his offer, he became hateful and persecuted the Jews. He hated them ruthlessly. So are you lutheran?

I will stand with Jesus and all those who love Him on that final day.

However I don't think you'll like that day because it's prophesied that 1/3 of the nation of Israel will come to know their Messiah and as a nation will turn from their wicked ways in worship of the One and only God of the universe that chose them out of all peoples as a nation to shine brightly as a people of God. And as a nation they will!

No, I'm not Lutheran. I think ML was tired of seeing his countrymen turned into cattle, abused with usury, and having their religion attacked. He complained that the Jews kept trying to draw Christians to them. He didn't just say that he hated them just because and it was that simple. And I think of his quote because I see this weird Judaizing movement, which has clearly infested this site.

 

[sevenseas]

The ignorance is staggering here! This, from a man who's country brought you the INQUISITION! Since I may have forgotten my BP meds, I think I'll skeddadle!

You may now resume your regularly schedule anti-semitism and Jew hatred.

probably looking for a basement with a good rack right now

confess! funny how the spirit lives on......

 

[KJV1611]

Let me paraphrase:

Conform, conform, conform! Insults, name-calling, you be stupid, conform!!

I told you these people were a bunch of haters lol.

 

[sevenseas]

Hi Pete,

​At first ML reached out to the Jews to get them saved.

But when they rejected his offer, he became hateful and persecuted the Jews. He hated them ruthlessly. So are you lutheran?

I will stand with Jesus and all those who love Him on that final day.

However I don't think you'll like that day because it's prophesied that 1/3 of the nation of Israel will come to know their Messiah and as a nation will turn from their wicked ways in worship of the One and only God of the universe that chose them out of all peoples as a nation to shine brightly as a people of God. And as a nation they will!

amen!

Gentiles are grafted in and likened to a wild olive tree

you can only miss that if you have hate blinders on

good post!

 

[PennEd]

Where is that found in the bible?

[h=1]Zechariah 13New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]Idolatry Cut Off[/h][FONT=&quot]13 “In that day a fountain shall be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for uncleanness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 “It shall be in that day,” says the Lord of hosts, “that I will cut off the names of the idols from the land, and they shall no longer be remembered. I will also cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to depart from the land. 3 It shall come to pass that if anyone still prophesies, then his father and mother who begot him will say to him, ‘You shall not live, because you have spoken lies in the name of the Lord.’ And his father and mother who begot him shall thrust him through when he prophesies.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 “And it shall be in that day that every prophet will be ashamed of his vision when he prophesies; they will not wear a robe of coarse hair to deceive. 5 But he will say, ‘I am no prophet, I am a farmer; for a man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.’ 6 And one will say to him, ‘What are these wounds between your arms?’[a] Then he will answer, ‘Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.’[/FONT]
[h=3]The Shepherd Savior[/h][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]7 “Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd,
Against the Man who is My Companion,”
Says the Lord of hosts.
“Strike the Shepherd,
And the sheep will be scattered;
Then I will turn My hand against the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass in all the land,”
Says the Lord,
“That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one–third shall be left in it:
9 I will bring the ​ONE THIRD through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”[/FONT]
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