Does Mosaic Law Still Apply Today?
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I not sure if you are saying this or not, but lets not get the Talmud confused with the Law of YHWH;
Mark 7:1-9, “And the Pharisees and some of the scribes assembled to Him, having come from Yerushalayim. And seeing some of His taught ones eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Yehuḏim, do not eat unless they wash their hands thoroughly, holding fast the tradition of the elders, and coming from the market-place, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions which they have received and hold fast – the washing of cups and utensils and copper vessels and couches. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? And He answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the commands of men.’ Forsaking the command of YHWH, you hold fast the tradition of men. And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of YHWH, in order to guard your tradition."
New International Version - Mat 23:2-3, "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."
King James Bible - Mat 23:2-3, "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."
Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah - Mat 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to their takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."
Takanot: rabbinical reforms or enactments that falsely change or add to YHWH's Law.
Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.
Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud. The Savior said this to the Pharisees;
Mat 23:8, “But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi, (master)’ for One is your Master, the Messiah, and you are all brothers.”
Matt 23:33, "Serpents! Brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of Gehenna?"
Yahshua EXPOSED the Pharisees and their false religious system EVERY CHANCE HE GOT. He did not sit by and let people lies many need to re-read the words of the Messiah, and see how He tore apart the lies of the accepted religious system of that day every chance He had, Is it possible we today have the same issue, where main stream religions are teaching tradition rather than truth?
Mat 15:7-9, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14)* prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
*Isayah 29:13-14, "Therefore YHWH said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men; Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people; a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their prudent men, will be hid."
Judges 17:6, "In those days there was no sovereign in Yisra’ĕl – everyone did what was right in his own eyes”
Deuteronomy 12:8, “Do not do as we are doing here today – each one doing whatever is right in his own eyes.”
2 Kings 17:19, “Yehuḏah, also, did not guard the commands of יהוה their Strength, but walked in the laws of Yisra’yl which they made.”
Judges 21:25, “In those days there was no sovereign in Yisra’yl – everyone did what was right in his own eyes.”
Philippians 2:21, “For all seek their own interests, not those of Messiah יהושע.”
Psalms 81:10-13, “I am יהוה your Strength, Who brought you out of the land of Mitsrayim; Open your mouth wide, and I fill it. But My people did not listen to My voice, And Yisra’yl would not submit to Me. So I gave them over to their own stubborn heart, To walk in their own counsels. O, if My people had listened to Me, Yisra’yl would walk in My ways.”
Mat 15:3-9, "But He answering, said to them, “Why do you also transgress the command of YHWH because of your tradition? YHWH has commanded, saying, ‘Respect your father and your mother, and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death. But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me has been dedicated, is certainly released from respecting his father or mother.’ So you have nullified the command of YHWH by your tradition. Hypocrites! Yeshayahu rightly prophesied about you, saying, This people draw near to Me with their mouth, and respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the commands of men.”
Malakyah 3:6-7, "For I am YHWH, I change not; therefore you sons of Yaaqob are not consumed. Ever since the days of your fathers you have turned away from My ordinances, and have not kept them. Return to Me, and I will return to you! says YHWH of hosts. But you said; How will we return?"
For the pharisees would have a problem if you did things according to YHWH's instruction and not their Talmud/man made law, called the “ORAL LAW”, and this is shown in the Scriptures: MATT 15, 23, mark 7:7-9, etc If you kept the Sabbath NOT according to the Talmud but according to the Scriptures the Pharisees would have a problem.
Mark 7:1-9, “And the Pharisees and some of the scribes assembled to Him, having come from Yerushalayim. And seeing some of His taught ones eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Yehuḏim, do not eat unless they wash their hands thoroughly, holding fast the tradition of the elders, and coming from the market-place, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions which they have received and hold fast – the washing of cups and utensils and copper vessels and couches. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? And He answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the commands of men.’ Forsaking the command of YHWH, you hold fast the tradition of men. And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of YHWH, in order to guard your tradition."
New International Version - Mat 23:2-3, "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."
King James Bible - Mat 23:2-3, "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."
Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah - Mat 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to their takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."
Takanot: rabbinical reforms or enactments that falsely change or add to YHWH's Law.
Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.
Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud. The Savior said this to the Pharisees;
Mat 23:8, “But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi, (master)’ for One is your Master, the Messiah, and you are all brothers.”
Matt 23:33, "Serpents! Brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of Gehenna?"
Yahshua EXPOSED the Pharisees and their false religious system EVERY CHANCE HE GOT. He did not sit by and let people lies many need to re-read the words of the Messiah, and see how He tore apart the lies of the accepted religious system of that day every chance He had, Is it possible we today have the same issue, where main stream religions are teaching tradition rather than truth?
Mat 15:7-9, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14)* prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
*Isayah 29:13-14, "Therefore YHWH said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men; Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people; a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their prudent men, will be hid."
Judges 17:6, "In those days there was no sovereign in Yisra’ĕl – everyone did what was right in his own eyes”
Deuteronomy 12:8, “Do not do as we are doing here today – each one doing whatever is right in his own eyes.”
2 Kings 17:19, “Yehuḏah, also, did not guard the commands of יהוה their Strength, but walked in the laws of Yisra’yl which they made.”
Judges 21:25, “In those days there was no sovereign in Yisra’yl – everyone did what was right in his own eyes.”
Philippians 2:21, “For all seek their own interests, not those of Messiah יהושע.”
Psalms 81:10-13, “I am יהוה your Strength, Who brought you out of the land of Mitsrayim; Open your mouth wide, and I fill it. But My people did not listen to My voice, And Yisra’yl would not submit to Me. So I gave them over to their own stubborn heart, To walk in their own counsels. O, if My people had listened to Me, Yisra’yl would walk in My ways.”
Mat 15:3-9, "But He answering, said to them, “Why do you also transgress the command of YHWH because of your tradition? YHWH has commanded, saying, ‘Respect your father and your mother, and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death. But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me has been dedicated, is certainly released from respecting his father or mother.’ So you have nullified the command of YHWH by your tradition. Hypocrites! Yeshayahu rightly prophesied about you, saying, This people draw near to Me with their mouth, and respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the commands of men.”
Malakyah 3:6-7, "For I am YHWH, I change not; therefore you sons of Yaaqob are not consumed. Ever since the days of your fathers you have turned away from My ordinances, and have not kept them. Return to Me, and I will return to you! says YHWH of hosts. But you said; How will we return?"
For the pharisees would have a problem if you did things according to YHWH's instruction and not their Talmud/man made law, called the “ORAL LAW”, and this is shown in the Scriptures: MATT 15, 23, mark 7:7-9, etc If you kept the Sabbath NOT according to the Talmud but according to the Scriptures the Pharisees would have a problem.
The problem we have really is down to people not understanding the difference between what is 'Moral law' and Mosaic covenant law'
The moral is summed up beautifully and perfectly by Jesus Himself (God).
Matt 22:37ff
You shall love the Lord with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind, this is the first and greatest commandment. The second is like it, love your neighbour as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and prophets [that is the whole Old Testament].
Keeping the Sabbath was a correct behaviour under the Old Covenant. It was part of the Law, temple cult and civil organisation of the theocracy. It had to be observed or else you came under the curse of the Law.
Christians are no longer under the burden nor are they under the 'curse' of the law. Sabbatarian legalists are putting themselves under the burden and curse of the law by demanding its observance.. in effect making Christ the bearer of the curse not good enough for our benefit.
The creational ordinance of a rest day is still held by all, it could be any day..when are you off work? take one day to rest. Christians now generally use the Lords day (Sunday)..but it is not commanded.
The moral is summed up beautifully and perfectly by Jesus Himself (God).
Matt 22:37ff
You shall love the Lord with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind, this is the first and greatest commandment. The second is like it, love your neighbour as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and prophets [that is the whole Old Testament].
Keeping the Sabbath was a correct behaviour under the Old Covenant. It was part of the Law, temple cult and civil organisation of the theocracy. It had to be observed or else you came under the curse of the Law.
Christians are no longer under the burden nor are they under the 'curse' of the law. Sabbatarian legalists are putting themselves under the burden and curse of the law by demanding its observance.. in effect making Christ the bearer of the curse not good enough for our benefit.
The creational ordinance of a rest day is still held by all, it could be any day..when are you off work? take one day to rest. Christians now generally use the Lords day (Sunday)..but it is not commanded.
I liked this post, Willie T. But, The Father's sacrifice, and raising from the dead, His sacrifice, for "whosoever will, may come", even covers those "laws" in Leviticus. The "difference" being, the "blood" sacrifices. Even the "wave" offerings, heave offerings, etc., etc., and "celebrations", are to be kept. But, these "parts" of us that do not these things, are, (how can I say) kept "IN Christ." Therefore, making it (even) possible, to come before the Father, in Christ's name! Now, these "missings of the mark", if you will, are for a larger, or smaller part, "covered", by, the "love" we have for one another.
Jesus didn’t change, add to, or delete any of the Levitical law. He clarified it, and fulfilled it (meaning he paid the price for us not keeping it). Pertaining to diet, He said that all things are permissible, but not all things are profitable. Also, that it’s not what goes into a man that causes sin, but what comes out. Don’t forget that the main reason for the diet laws to begin with were for health and safety. They didn’t exactly have USDA inspections back then.
He made it clear that hating is as sinful as killing, because it’s about what’s in the heart.
He made it clear that hating is as sinful as killing, because it’s about what’s in the heart.
Some parts were cancelled:
"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?
"For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)"
Mk 7:18-19 NIV
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Some parts are on our own choice now:
"One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."
R 14:5 NIV
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Some parts were changed to the opposite direction:
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you, love your enemies"
Mt 5:43 NIV
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Some parts were made wider:
"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.'
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment."
Mt 5:21 NIV
"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?
"For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)"
Mk 7:18-19 NIV
----
Some parts are on our own choice now:
"One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."
R 14:5 NIV
----
Some parts were changed to the opposite direction:
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you, love your enemies"
Mt 5:43 NIV
----
Some parts were made wider:
"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.'
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment."
Mt 5:21 NIV
I have already posted this on an identical new thread:
Since we are told in Scripture that -- with reference to the OT saints -- we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses, there is no question that Moses would be among them. And since witnesses observe events, Moses must be observing Christians and shaking his head. Given the fact that Christians have the entire Bible, including the New Testament, questions such as the title of this thread should be moot.
1. So the first question we should ask is: Which of the laws of Moses did God personally write with His own finger on two tablets of stone? And the answer is the Ten Commandments.
2. The next question is: Does not that make the Ten Commandments unique and imperishable? And the answer is indeed it does!
3. And did God not say that within the New Covenant He would write His laws in the hearts and mind of those who were regenerated? Absolutely.
4. And did God not also say that within these laws are also embedded within the conscience of Gentiles, who then become a "law unto themselves"? Absolutely.
5. So is it not true that the Ten Commandments are the foundation for the Two Greatest Commandments, which have now become the Law of Christ, also called the Law of Love, the Law of Liberty, and the Royal Law? Absolutely.
6. So then which other commandments from the Law of Moses are still applicable to Christians? Is the answer not found in Acts 15? Absolutely.
28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29That [1] ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and [2] from blood, and [3]from things strangled, and [4] from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Since the Holy Ghost is mentioned, it means that this is what God decreed. Do you notice that there is no mention of the observance of the 7th day sabbath? Why? Because God gave the first day of the week -- "the morrow after the sabbath" -- great significance in that it became "the Lord's Day" (Rev 1:10). Sabbatarians, please take note. If you disregard the Lord's Day, you are already in violation of God's commandments.
Since we are told in Scripture that -- with reference to the OT saints -- we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses, there is no question that Moses would be among them. And since witnesses observe events, Moses must be observing Christians and shaking his head. Given the fact that Christians have the entire Bible, including the New Testament, questions such as the title of this thread should be moot.
1. So the first question we should ask is: Which of the laws of Moses did God personally write with His own finger on two tablets of stone? And the answer is the Ten Commandments.
2. The next question is: Does not that make the Ten Commandments unique and imperishable? And the answer is indeed it does!
3. And did God not say that within the New Covenant He would write His laws in the hearts and mind of those who were regenerated? Absolutely.
4. And did God not also say that within these laws are also embedded within the conscience of Gentiles, who then become a "law unto themselves"? Absolutely.
5. So is it not true that the Ten Commandments are the foundation for the Two Greatest Commandments, which have now become the Law of Christ, also called the Law of Love, the Law of Liberty, and the Royal Law? Absolutely.
6. So then which other commandments from the Law of Moses are still applicable to Christians? Is the answer not found in Acts 15? Absolutely.
28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29That [1] ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and [2] from blood, and [3]from things strangled, and [4] from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Since the Holy Ghost is mentioned, it means that this is what God decreed. Do you notice that there is no mention of the observance of the 7th day sabbath? Why? Because God gave the first day of the week -- "the morrow after the sabbath" -- great significance in that it became "the Lord's Day" (Rev 1:10). Sabbatarians, please take note. If you disregard the Lord's Day, you are already in violation of God's commandments.
This says nothing about being sanctified by the Law of Christ, and that is the issue we are discussing. Certainly none can be justified by the works of the Law, but that does not make it null and void for sanctification.
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? (James 2:8-14).
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? (James 2:8-14).