Is Sally Saved?

[DiscipleDave]

you know, I am actually going to be purchasing a vehicle within the next week or so...I'm going for a darker shade of gray...dunno why, but I tend to really like gray...gray animals, gray sweaters and T's ... gray paint

now blurple?

I googled blurple and this came up...prob not gonna go for it...a host of other vehicles and some nail polish too

My first car was a 1973 Dodge Charger. Candy apple red. Hind site, wish i would not have sold it.

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DiscipleDave

 

[Ralph-]

I will admit I myself have been influenced by Calvinism's 'believed vs. not really believed' way of looking at things. That's why I looked at it in the 'if' she was really saved way that I did. But I'm actually one who thinks more in the line of belief is belief. If she believed, and you say she did, then she is saved. The 'once saved always saved' thing from that point on is a distraction to the simple truth that the person who is living in sin when Jesus comes back will not be saved.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Does Sally KNOW what SIN is?

Does Sally need to REPENT of her SINS before she BELIEVES in God's forgiveness or can she continue in SIN and just BELIEVE like the devils do?

If Sally does not KNOW what SIN is how does she know she is in NEED of a Savior?

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW and those who KNOWINGLY practice SIN without

REPENTANCE and FAITH in God's GRACE will not enter into God's Kingdom.

The road is dark and narrow when your lamp has gone out...

(Bumping)

 

[DiscipleDave]

You are twisting what I said.

How am i twisting what you said, when i clearly am asking if that is what you are saying. If a person twists what another says, they say a person said something that they did not say, thereby twisting what they actually said. i am merely asking you what you are saying, not twisting anything.

I just said when she accepted Christ in her life her relationship becomes between her and God and no one else.

This is TRUE, but this thread and OP is not talking about her relationship that she has with God AFTER she is Saved. This thread and OP is talking about a particular Day that Sally got Saved, and if she is Saved or not by what she believes?

It's not our place to pass judgement as to whether or not she is saved.

Is it not written to judge righteous judgments? Is it not written that we shall judge angels? We can know if a person is Saved or not saved, by merely asking them if they believe Jesus is the Son of God. If they say NO, then i can assure you i have judged correctly in saying that person is NOT SAVED. If Sally in the OP says and believes in Jesus, then i can assure you Scriptures plainly teaches she is indeed SAVED, because she believes in Jesus.

God and God alone knows her heart and it's intentions.

True, but no persons heart or a persons intentions can change the TRUTH of Scriptures. Any person who believes in Jesus according to Scriptures is SAVED. If then Sally believes in Jesus she, according to the Word of God, is indeed SAVED, i don't need to judge that, Scriptures plainly teaches that.

Having a relationship with Christ is an ongoing thing because it is having to be continually pruned and fertilized.

Amen, But this Thread and OP is about Sally on the very day that she Got SAVED. it is not about the relationship she will have with Christ or will not have with Christ. But is talking about Sally and her getting SAVED.

A pastor told me once that he wished he could punch people in the face after they ask Christ to come in to their life because it is not an easy walk. There are hurdles like losing of one's friendships, family, and maybe even a job.

This is TRUE, but as i said above, we are talking about Sally the moment she Got SAVED, the moment her name is written in the Book of life. This event has nothing whatsoever to do with Sally and the hurdles that she will be facing after this event of GETTING SAVED.

Oh and preachers can't save people, that's a thing that only God can do

Agreed. it seems we are on agreement with many things, we are only talking about different things. in this thread i am not talking about Sally's walk with Jesus. But specifically talking about When was Sally Saved? The very moment that she believed in Jesus and repented and confessed her sins, is when Sally became SAVED, that moment is when Sally's name was written in the Book of Life. So i am talking about a specific event, a specific time that Sally was SAVED, not After that day, not her walk AFTER that day, not her life choices AFTER that day.

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DiscipleDave

 

[preacher4truth]

The Challenger color is most likely "Plum Crazy" (that's what the name is) you know, just like this thread.

It's noted DD has not owned up to his twisting the words "called" and "chosen" twisting of the Word to force his false doctrine into Scripture.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Agreed. Many Are Called (Saved) but only a few will be chosen (Remain Saved, remain in the Book of Life)

DiscipleDave

Not that you'll see or accept your error above, this is for others who have the will to be taught and shown error.

"Called" does not mean "(Saved)" as you make it to mean, forcing your error onto his Word. Nor does "chosen" mean "(Remain Saved, remain in the Book of Life)" as you erroneously make it out to be.

Again, not that you'll learn, or accept the shame of failing to heed 2 Timothy 2:15, it is meant for others to see and avoid your error and distorting the Word of God.

i am more than eager to learn, if you can show me Scriptures that is contrary to what i have said? What then? i am to learn from you or what Scriptures teach? If then you can show me Scriptures that shows what i said to be in error, then i will most certainly learn. But if you can't then it is merely your opinion that i am in error.

So it is not that i am not willing to learn, if it is from Scriptures, but learning from men is not wise, do you not agree? Therefore show me Scriptures that shows i am in error than i am more than willing to learn. But if you are only going to show me your opinions that i am in error, just keep them to yourself, because you are correct, i will not learn from you. (UNLESS Scriptures does not contradict what you are trying to teach.

So tell me and give me your opinion what "Many are called " actually means? i am willing to listen to your opinion what it means concerning those who are Called. i say and teach those who are Called are those who hear the calling of Salvation and accept it, What is your opinion of who the "Called" are, looking forward to your explanation.
Surely you are not going to accuse my explanation as being in error if you don't have one at all. Surely not.

So i tell you what "Many are Called, but few are chosen" means.
You say is in error.
So then tell me what does "Many are Called, but few are chosen" means to you. Thanks and look forward to your answer.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

I think many people worry too much whether or not someone else is saved.

Agreed.

Life is too short for that. Instead of being concerned if someone is saved or not, I would concentrate on your own walk.

Agreed, Amen on that one.

I don't stop and wonder if someone is saved, instead I pray that God becomes a very real part of their life and continues to be and be an example of Gods love in every aspect of my life. Thats all we can be....

All words to live by.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Don't you know your addressing a self proclaimed prophet and that Jesus will call him by his CC name to reference his teaching to use in the day of judgment <---his words not mine....

sigh. .. .. ..

Still love you dcontroversal. What a perfect name you seem to have picked for yourself. Love you Brother.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Don't you know your addressing a self proclaimed prophet and that Jesus will call him by his CC name to reference his teaching to use in the day of judgment <---his words not mine....

I just love your no nonsense approach to things DCon

Jesus Christ commands us to Love One Another. not put down, not belittle, not make fun of, not mock. All these things are from the devil and not from God.

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DiscipleDave

 

[preacher4truth]

i am more than eager to learn

No, actually you're not eager to learn. What you're doing is being disingenuous at this point. It's a form of dishonesty.

You stated the words "called" and "chosen" mean things they absolutely do not mean. I corrected you for the sake of others because you're unteachable and don't own your mistakes. My giving of a definition of the terms is not the issue, it's your twisting the Word that is the issue.

 

[breno785au]

So much contention over something that God has made so simple.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I've only just started reading through this post but from the original post I just knew it would be about "staying saved". IMO you are either saved or not, you cannot be "unsaved". If you become "unsaved" you were never actually saved to begin with.

The OP is about whether or Not Sally is SAVED on that particular day. It seems everyone else is making it about something other that that specific day. Even you saying what you say above is not on topic with the OP, but bringing up something else.

The Poll and OP is a question presented that reveals how many people actually don't know that Sally is SAVED on that Day because she believes in Jesus. This thread or the OP has nothing to do with whatsoever, Sally's walk with God AFTER that day, or how Sally will lead her life, or if Sally has works or no works, or if Sally stays Saved or loses Salvation. This thread and OP was suppose to be about, specifically if SALLY was SAVED on that day or not. OTHERS have made this thread about something else, even you, by posting what you have here, is going to prompt a response from someone, which will have nothing to do with SALLY on the day that she Got Saved, so then you are contributing to the very thing you are condemning. sigh.. .. ..

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DiscipleDave

 

[LoveGodForever]

Does Sally KNOW what SIN is?

Does Sally need to REPENT of her SINS before she BELIEVES in God's forgiveness or can she continue in SIN and just BELIEVE like the devils do?

If Sally does not KNOW what SIN is how does she know she is in NEED of a Savior?

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW and those who KNOWINGLY practice SIN without

REPENTANCE and FAITH in God's GRACE will not enter into God's Kingdom.

The road is dark and narrow when your lamp has gone out...

(Bumping)

 

[DiscipleDave]

Actually, your own words are what tell me you don't know what it is to be saved. (Since you asked.)

sigh ... .. . .

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DiscipleDave

 

[breno785au]

The OP is about whether or Not Sally is SAVED on that particular day. It seems everyone else is making it about something other that that specific day. Even you saying what you say above is not on topic with the OP, but bringing up something else.

The Poll and OP is a question presented that reveals how many people actually don't know that Sally is SAVED on that Day because she believes in Jesus. This thread or the OP has nothing to do with whatsoever, Sally's walk with God AFTER that day, or how Sally will lead her life, or if Sally has works or no works, or if Sally stays Saved or loses Salvation. This thread and OP was suppose to be about, specifically if SALLY was SAVED on that day or not. OTHERS have made this thread about something else, even you, by posting what you have here, is going to prompt a response from someone, which will have nothing to do with SALLY on the day that she Got Saved, so then you are contributing to the very thing you are condemning. sigh.. .. ..

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DiscipleDave

It's rather surprising, that according to the poll results, that a lot of people actually don't know.

I wonder if this a result as to the 'stigma' around altar calls and the amount of doubt that surrounds whether or not people are genuine in their profession.
If so, I believe the devil has sown this discord amongst the saints.

 

[Amazing-Grace]

The OP is about whether or Not Sally is SAVED on that particular day. It seems everyone else is making it about something other that that specific day. Even you saying what you say above is not on topic with the OP, but bringing up something else.

The Poll and OP is a question presented that reveals how many people actually don't know that Sally is SAVED on that Day because she believes in Jesus. This thread or the OP has nothing to do with whatsoever, Sally's walk with God AFTER that day, or how Sally will lead her life, or if Sally has works or no works, or if Sally stays Saved or loses Salvation. This thread and OP was suppose to be about, specifically if SALLY was SAVED on that day or not. OTHERS have made this thread about something else, even you, by posting what you have here, is going to prompt a response from someone, which will have nothing to do with SALLY on the day that she Got Saved, so then you are contributing to the very thing you are condemning. sigh.. .. ..

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DiscipleDave

Ok fair enough but the way it is written kinda makes me think there is an underlying issue here...almost like someone will trip up if they give the most obvious answer (which is yes of course)..like you will go on to say something like "but faith without works is dead so she isn't necessarily saved". I guess I was one step ahead of you. I'm sorry if I was off the mark, it's just how it looked where it was going to me that's all.

 

[RickyZ]

Sally is sitting in the Pew of a Church, her friend got her to go to church with her. When she hears the message she is convicted by her sins, she hears about Jesus, and wants to become a Christian. She knows she is sinner and wants to be forgiven.
At the alter call, she walks up to the preacher, and says i believe that Jesus is the Son of God, i believe that He rose from the dead. i confess my sins to Jesus Christ and i repent of them. She then asks the Preacher "Am I a Christian now? Am I saved? Is my name written in the Book of Life?" He then tells her she is a Christian and she is Born again and is Saved and that her name is written in the Book of Life.
The very next day she is water baptised.

Tell me, is Sally SAVED?

Believe in your heart and confess with your lips - that's the litmus test for whether or not she is saved. Was it real for Sally? I'd have to see her works afterward. While works will not save you, they will indicate if one is truly saved or not.

 

[DiscipleDave]

No! Absolutely not! No way, no how, will I let this stand!

Salvation is NOT something we control. It is God's domain!!!

i never said Salvation was something we control. That is in your own head.

We are not saved by doing. Not even by persevering!

We are saved by the Lord's doing!

Scriptures teaches those who endure to the end are Saved. Know you not that Scriptures teach there is ONLY One day that will determine who is Saved and who is not Saved? One Day that determines who is going to Heaven and who is not going to Heaven. That day is when the Books are opened. and if your name is in the Book of Life and it has not been blotted out, it is ONLY on that Day that a person is SAVED or not SAVED. That is why it is written to endure to the end to be Saved, it is not TODAY. That is why it is written to run the race to win it. Just because we are running a race does not mean we will finish that race. Those who endure to the end shall finish that race. Again. ONLY ONE DAY that determines who is Saved and who is not SAVED, and that day is when the Book of Life is opened and your name is found there and it has not been blotted out. ONLY on that day is a person Truly SAVED, ONLY on that day is when the race is over. Those who started the Race (Got Saved) and finish the race, endure to the end, shall be SAVED. Those who started the Race (Got Saved) and does not endure to the end but falls by the wayside, or just sits down and stops running the race, shall NOT be SAVED because they did not endure to the end, they did not finish the race, these have their names blotted out of the Book of Life.

Psa_69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Psa_109:13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life (their name), and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

The mere FACT that a persons name can be blotted out of the Book of Life, proves that OSAS is a lie. If their name was in the Book of Life, they were indeed SAVED. Sally's name was written in the Book of Life the moment she Got Saved, the moment she believed in Jesus. But will her name remain in the Book of Life, that is for another thread discussing the life that Sally will lead AFTER she GOT SAVED.
The moment Sally got Saved her name was written in the Book of Life. Scriptures teaches a name can be blotted out of the Book. Woe to this generation which takes though their name is in the Book of Life, and the can't do anything that causes them to be blotted out of it. Woe to them which take though once their name is written in the Book of Life, it CAN'T be removed, which doctrine is contrary to Scriptures which plainly teaches a persons name can be removed from the Book of Life. Woe to this generation indeed, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth on that Day when the Book of life is opened and their names have been blotted out of the Book of Life, which thing they believed could not possibly happen. But you are not ignorant to this TRUTH now., lo i have told you the TRUTH.

And you call yourself a preacher? Man! I've seen 10 year olds do better than this!

Never called myself a preacher, you are hearing things that are not there.


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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Basically does this thread boil down to OSAS?

Sadly, people have made this thread about that, and i have even replied to people who have brought that up. But this thread was about Getting SAVED, not if Sally remained Saved, not how Sally walked her life, not about what Sally wore, what Sally thought, or might have been thinking. This Thread and Poll itself was to see how many people knew and understood that SALLY was SAVED because she believed in Jesus Christ. Other people have turned this thread into something other than what the OP intended.

What the Poll reveals, which is actually better than i thought it would reveal, is as of this post 50% did not understand that Sally was indeed SAVED, because Scriptures plainly teach what it takes for a person to be Saved, and Sally fulfilled all those things. She believed, She confessed, she repented, she accepted Jesus into her life. These things are all things which Scriptures teaches SAVES a person. So then half the people who took the poll understood this, while the other half did not.
i am guessing now that those who did not were seeing things in the OP that just was not there, and were assuming way to many things, and therefore did not answer correctly.

So all those who thought the Poll and the OP, was anything other than talking about that specific day that Sally was Saved, was she or NOT? have more than likely misunderstood the POLL and the OP. All is well.

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DiscipleDave

 

[RickyZ]

i never said Salvation was something we control. That is in your own head.



Scriptures teaches those who endure to the end are Saved. Know you not that Scriptures teach there is ONLY One day that will determine who is Saved and who is not Saved? One Day that determines who is going to Heaven and who is not going to Heaven. That day is when the Books are opened. and if your name is in the Book of Life and it has not been blotted out, it is ONLY on that Day that a person is SAVED or not SAVED. That is why it is written to endure to the end to be Saved, it is not TODAY. That is why it is written to run the race to win it. Just because we are running a race does not mean we will finish that race. Those who endure to the end shall finish that race. Again. ONLY ONE DAY that determines who is Saved and who is not SAVED, and that day is when the Book of Life is opened and your name is found there and it has not been blotted out. ONLY on that day is a person Truly SAVED, ONLY on that day is when the race is over. Those who started the Race (Got Saved) and finish the race, endure to the end, shall be SAVED. Those who started the Race (Got Saved) and does not endure to the end but falls by the wayside, or just sits down and stops running the race, shall NOT be SAVED because they did not endure to the end, they did not finish the race, these have their names blotted out of the Book of Life.

Psa_69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Psa_109:13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life (their name), and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

The mere FACT that a persons name can be blotted out of the Book of Life, proves that OSAS is a lie. If their name was in the Book of Life, they were indeed SAVED. Sally's name was written in the Book of Life the moment she Got Saved, the moment she believed in Jesus. But will her name remain in the Book of Life, that is for another thread discussing the life that Sally will lead AFTER she GOT SAVED.
The moment Sally got Saved her name was written in the Book of Life. Scriptures teaches a name can be blotted out of the Book. Woe to this generation which takes though their name is in the Book of Life, and the can't do anything that causes them to be blotted out of it. Woe to them which take though once their name is written in the Book of Life, it CAN'T be removed, which doctrine is contrary to Scriptures which plainly teaches a persons name can be removed from the Book of Life. Woe to this generation indeed, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth on that Day when the Book of life is opened and their names have been blotted out of the Book of Life, which thing they believed could not possibly happen. But you are not ignorant to this TRUTH now., lo i have told you the TRUTH.




Never called myself a preacher, you are hearing things that are not there.


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DiscipleDave

Is it possible that our names are written in the book of life at birth, and only blotted out when we refuse salvation?