1948 fulfills prophecy?

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iamsoandso

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According to Don Preston:

"The man of sin was one who sat in the temple of God and made mockery of the Law for times, time, and half a time. Phannias ben Samuel fits this description perfectly. He was destroyed in the fall of the temple (i.e. at the coming of the Lord). He had no right to be a High Priest. And he was a product of the mystery of lawlessness and the apostasy: the zealot revolt. Josephus called him a "horrid piece of wickedness" and one who desecrated "such a sacred dignity".

Here's a quote from Josephus about him stating this was done against his own will so it's difficult to see him as claiming to have authority over all called God as scripture states,,, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phannias_ben_Samuel
 

Locutus

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Here's a quote from Josephus about him stating this was done against his own will so it's difficult to see him as claiming to have authority over all called God as scripture states,,, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phannias_ben_Samuel
This from Josephus:

7. And now the multitude were going to rise against them already. For Ananus,3 the ancientest of the High-priests, persuaded them to it. He was a very prudent man, and had perhaps saved the city if he could but have escaped the hands of those that plotted against him. Those men made the temple of God a strong hold for them, and a place whither they might resort, in order to avoid the troubles they feared from the people: the sanctuary was now become a refuge, and a shop of tyranny. They also mixed jesting among the miseries they introduced, which was more intolerable than what they did: for in order to try what surprize the people would be under, and how far their own power extended, they undertook to dispose of the High-priesthood by casting lots for it: whereas, as we have said already, it was to descend by succession in a family. The pretence they made for this strange attempt was an ancient practice, while they said that of old it was determined by lot.4 But in truth it was no better than a dissolution of an undeniable law, and a cunning contrivance to seize upon the government, derived from those that presumed to appoint governors as they themselves pleased.

8. Hereupon they sent for one of the pontifical5 tribes, which is called Eniachim, (6) and cast lots which of it should be the High-priest. By fortune the lot so fell as to demonstrate their iniquity after the plainest manner; for it fell upon one whose name was Phannias, the son of Samuel, of the village Aphtha. He was a man not only unworthy of the High-priesthood, but that did not well know what the High-priesthood was. Such a mere rustic was he. Yet did they hale this man, without his own consent, out of the country; as if they were acting a play upon the stage; and adorned him with a counterfeit face. They also put upon him the sacred garments; and upon every occasion instructed him what he was to do. This horrid piece of wickedness was sport and pastime with them. But occasioned the other priests, who, at a distance, saw their law made a jest of, to shed tears, and sorely lament the dissolution of such a sacred dignity.

9. And now the people could no longer bear the insolence of this procedure, but did all together run zealously, in order to overthrow that tyranny. And indeed they were Gorion the son of Josephus, and Symeon the son of Gamaliel, (7) who encouraged them, by going up and down when they were assembled together in crowds, and as they saw them alone, to bear no longer; but to inflict punishment upon these pests and plagues of their freedom: and to purge the temple of these bloody polluters of it. The best esteemed also of the High-priests, Jesus the son of Gamalas, and Ananus the son of Ananus, when they were at their assemblies, bitterly reproached the people for their sloth; and excited them against the zealots. For that was the name they went by: as if they were zealous in good undertakings; and were not rather zealous in the worst actions, and extravagant in them beyond the example of others.

Full text:

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-4.html
 

iamsoandso

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This from Josephus:

7. And now the multitude were going to rise against them already. For Ananus,3 the ancientest of the High-priests, persuaded them to it. He was a very prudent man, and had perhaps saved the city if he could but have escaped the hands of those that plotted against him. Those men made the temple of God a strong hold for them, and a place whither they might resort, in order to avoid the troubles they feared from the people: the sanctuary was now become a refuge, and a shop of tyranny. They also mixed jesting among the miseries they introduced, which was more intolerable than what they did: for in order to try what surprize the people would be under, and how far their own power extended, they undertook to dispose of the High-priesthood by casting lots for it: whereas, as we have said already, it was to descend by succession in a family. The pretence they made for this strange attempt was an ancient practice, while they said that of old it was determined by lot.4 But in truth it was no better than a dissolution of an undeniable law, and a cunning contrivance to seize upon the government, derived from those that presumed to appoint governors as they themselves pleased.

8. Hereupon they sent for one of the pontifical5 tribes, which is called Eniachim, (6) and cast lots which of it should be the High-priest. By fortune the lot so fell as to demonstrate their iniquity after the plainest manner; for it fell upon one whose name was Phannias, the son of Samuel, of the village Aphtha. He was a man not only unworthy of the High-priesthood, but that did not well know what the High-priesthood was. Such a mere rustic was he. Yet did they hale this man, without his own consent, out of the country; as if they were acting a play upon the stage; and adorned him with a counterfeit face. They also put upon him the sacred garments; and upon every occasion instructed him what he was to do. This horrid piece of wickedness was sport and pastime with them. But occasioned the other priests, who, at a distance, saw their law made a jest of, to shed tears, and sorely lament the dissolution of such a sacred dignity.

9. And now the people could no longer bear the insolence of this procedure, but did all together run zealously, in order to overthrow that tyranny. And indeed they were Gorion the son of Josephus, and Symeon the son of Gamaliel, (7) who encouraged them, by going up and down when they were assembled together in crowds, and as they saw them alone, to bear no longer; but to inflict punishment upon these pests and plagues of their freedom: and to purge the temple of these bloody polluters of it. The best esteemed also of the High-priests, Jesus the son of Gamalas, and Ananus the son of Ananus, when they were at their assemblies, bitterly reproached the people for their sloth; and excited them against the zealots. For that was the name they went by: as if they were zealous in good undertakings; and were not rather zealous in the worst actions, and extravagant in them beyond the example of others.

Full text:

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-4.html

lol, this is what I quoted and it states that "the best esteemed (also) of the high priest" were against it and supports that the bulk of the Jews and high priest were against it,,,who recieved the mark and woshiped the image? lol. even Phannias the son of Samuel did this against his own will...
 

iamsoandso

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no offense to Don Preston but someone being dressed up like the high priest against his own will doesn't equal him sitting in the wing of the temple claiming to be superior to all that is called God as in scripture,lol ...
 
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All Israel is not born again Israel as Christians, the new name he personally named His bride ..

I was born in 1948 ?
 

Locutus

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no offense to Don Preston but someone being dressed up like the high priest against his own will doesn't equal him sitting in the wing of the temple claiming to be superior to all that is called God as in scripture,lol ...
Ya, I think he's grasping with that one.
 

TheLearner

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Concerning the 70 weeks, there is no break at week 69.

I still don't see what scriptures predict Israel becoming a nation specifically in 1948.