Who is the Harlot of Rev

  • Thread starter eternally-gratefull
  • Start date
  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#1
Who is this Harlot? I have heard many people speak of this in a few threads lately. I thought it would be a good subject to talk about. Although it is not a salvic issue, and hope we do not get into arguments and hated fights.

I have heard many differing ideas, The harlot is a nation, I have even heard (although not here) the United States is who the Harlot is (although I think most of the world would not shed a tear if the US was destroyed) so it could not be this.

What we do know is the harlot is a powerful would influence. Very rich, Tends to side with the beast, and is destroyed by the one who makesa a covenant with Isreal before this same person desecrates the jewish temple. (probably because the Harlot would then know the true purpose of this world leader, and turn against him, so he must destroy the harlot so she can cause him no pain,) I also believes he does this at this time because the harlot would not be expecting it, so as taken by surprise is easily defeated.

Anyway, I read this awhile back. Alot of it makes sense. Some parts might be questionable. But all in all, I found it to be a very good read. I hope we can discuss it (in a sensible and humble manner, as Christians are supposed to do)

Who is the harlot of rev 17?

Rev 17 describes a judgment on the great harlot. the Apostate Religious system that exists in the tribulation period. The unbelieving professing church went into the tribulation period (rev 2: 22 ; 3: 10) and a great religious system under the domination of the great harlot arose.

Who is the harlot?

1. Bears the representation of a harlot (rev 17: 1-2, 15 - 16). It claimed to be christ's bride, but had fallen from its pure purpose and had become a harlot.(please note a harlot is a false wife, or tries to take the place of the wife)

2. a leader in ecclesiastical affairs. (rev 17 : 2. 5). Spiritual fornication in scripture is an adherance to a false religious system.

3. the system is a leader in political affairs (rev 17:3) it is seen to be controlling the beast for which it sits.

4 the system has become very rich and influential (rev 17: 4)

5. The system represents the stage of development of christiondom that was hithertoo unrevieled (rev 17: 5) in that it was called the "mystery"

6. the system has been a great persecutor of the saints. (rev 17: 6)

7. the system is an organised system of worldwide scope (rev 17 : 15)

8. The system will be destroyed by the beast, the head of the roman coalition, so that his supremace may not be threatened (rev 17: 16 - 17 )

The Identity of the harlot.

we can trace the relationship between ancient babylon and the doctrine and practice of the harlot system called mystery babylon. the woman is the religious system, who dominates the civil power at least for a time. the name on her forhead should easily enable us to identify her. but in order to do it. we must go back to old testament, and see literal babylon, for one will surely throw light on another.

The founder of babylon was nimrod, whose unholy achievments we read in the 10 chapter of genesis. He was arch apostate of the patriarchal age, he presuaded his associates and followers to join together in building a city and tower which would reach into heaven, to be recognised as a temple or rallying center for those who did not walk in obedience to the word . their city was called bab-EL which means " the gate of God " God soon changed it to babel or confusion. . it bore the stamp of reality from the first. for we are told they had brick for stone and slime for morter, An imitation of that which is real and true that has characterised Babylon in all ages.

If we return to ancient lore, we find that Nimrod's son was Nimrod Bar Cush and tells us his wife was Simerimus the first. She is reputed to have been the foundres of the babylonian mysteries and the first high priestes of idolotry. Thus babylon became the foundation for idolotry and the mother of every heathen and pagan system of the world. As it spread in various forms around the earth and is with us today and shall have its fullest development when the Holy Spirit has departed and the babylon of the Apocolypse holds sway.

Building on the primeval promise of the womans seed who was to Come (Jesus) Simerimus bore a son, whom she declared was miraculously concieved, and when she presented him, he was hailed as the promised deliverer. This was Tammuz, whose worship Ezekial protested aginst in the days of the captivity. Thus was introduced the mystery of the mother and the child, a form of idolotry that is older than any known to man.

The rites of the worship were secret, only the initiated where permitted to know its mysteries. It was Satans effort to delude mankind with an imitation so like the truth of God that they would not know the true seed of the woman when he came in the fullness of time.

From Babylon the mystry religion spread to all surrounding nations, everywhere the symbols were the same. and everywhere the cult of the Mother and the Child became the popular system. They where celebrated and worshiped with the most discusting of immoral practices. The image of the queen of heaven with the babe in her arms was seen everywhere. The names change as languages changed. From Astorith and tammuz in phoneacia, Isis and Horus in egypt. Aphrodite and Eros in greece, Venus and Cupid in Italy. within 1000 years it became the religion of the world.

Linked with this mystery were countless lesser mysteries. Among these were doctrines of purgatorial purification after death, Salvation by countless sacriments such as priestly ablusion, sprinking with holy water, offering of round cakes to the queen, as mentioned in Jeremia. Dedication of virgins to the gods. weeping for tammuz for a period of 40 days prior the festival of ishtar, who was said to have recieved her son back from ther dead. For it was taught that tammuz was slain by a wild bore and afterwords brought back to life.

To him the egg was sacred, as depicting the mystery of his ressurection (easter) even as the evergreen was chosen as a symbol to represent his birth at the winter solstice. A boars head was eaten in memory of its conflict and a yule log burned with many mysterious observances (christmas) the sign of the cross was sacred to tammuz, as symbolising the life giving principle and as the first letter of his name. It was represented on vast number of altars and temples, and did not, as many believe, origionate with christianity.

when babylon was overthrown and the city and temples destrouyed. we find the the high priest fled with a company of initiates. and traveled through pergomus till he eventually led in Italy. their the ancient cult was propogated under the etruscan mysteries, and eventually Rome became the headquarters of babylonialism.

The chief priests wore mitres shaped like the head of a fish in honor of the fish God dagon, the Lord of Life. The chief priest in Rome took on the title pontifus maximus and this was imprinted on his mitre, when julius ceaser, had become head of the state, he was elected pontifus maximus and this title was held hencforth by all roman emporors until constantine the great., who as at one time was head of the church, and high priest of the heathen.

The title was afterwords confered to the bishops of rome, and is born by the pope today, who is thus declared to be, not the successor to Peter, but the direct successor to the high preist of the babylonian mysteries. For whom he wears, like his idolotrous predecessors the fishermans ring.

During the early centuries of the churches history. the mystery of iniquity had wrought such astounding affect , and babylonian practices and teachings had been so largly absorbed by that which bore the name of christ, that the truth of holy scriptures on many points had been wholly destroyed, while idolotrous practices were forced on christian people in the form of christian sacriments and heathen philosophies took the place of gospel instruction. Thus was developed an amazing system which for 1000 years dominated europe and trafficed in the bodies and souls of men, until the great reformation of the 16 century brought a measure of deliverance.

 
I

Israel

Guest
#2
The harlot is earthly wisdom who rules over the kings of the earth.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#3
The harlot is earthly wisdom who rules over the kings of the earth.
Would not a "false religious system" be classified as earthy wisdom?

I think this is too narrow of an interpretation. For again a harlot is a false wife. Earthy wisdom that does not consider itself to be a bride would not be called a harlot. Would you not agree??
 

zone

Senior Member
Jun 13, 2010
27,214
164
63
#4
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH


The Great Whore
 
I

Israel

Guest
#5
Would not a "false religious system" be classified as earthy wisdom?

I think this is too narrow of an interpretation. For again a harlot is a false wife. Earthy wisdom that does not consider itself to be a bride would not be called a harlot. Would you not agree??
Depends on who you are focusing on. The mother or one of her daughters. God said to the woman that her desire shall be for her husband and that he will rule over her. Mankind as a whole lives in societies birthed by it's wisdom. We need to realize that we are lord over her and not her over us!

An example of this was when my wife tried to get baby formula off of WIC from a certain store. The police had taken her lisence a few days before in a traffic stop and all she had was a work ID with her picture on it. The manager of the store said that he COULD NOT GIVE IT TO HER because STORE POLICY prohibits him from accepting WIC coupons without a State ID. Mind you now that the coupons has HER NAME on them. The WORK ID has HER NAME on it AS WELL AS HER PICTURE. But he refused because it wasn't a state ID or driver's lisence.

This man; this manager would rather let a child go hungry based off of a system made from our own wisdom. This wisdom would not exist without the store and yet it governed him. He was not lord over this particular daughter. She REIGNED over him.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#6
Depends on who you are focusing on. The mother or one of her daughters. God said to the woman that her desire shall be for her husband and that he will rule over her. Mankind as a whole lives in societies birthed by it's wisdom. We need to realize that we are lord over her and not her over us!

An example of this was when my wife tried to get baby formula off of WIC from a certain store. The police had taken her lisence a few days before in a traffic stop and all she had was a work ID with her picture on it. The manager of the store said that he COULD NOT GIVE IT TO HER because STORE POLICY prohibits him from accepting WIC coupons without a State ID. Mind you now that the coupons has HER NAME on them. The WORK ID has HER NAME on it AS WELL AS HER PICTURE. But he refused because it wasn't a state ID or driver's lisence.

This man; this manager would rather let a child go hungry based off of a system made from our own wisdom. This wisdom would not exist without the store and yet it governed him. He was not lord over this particular daughter. She REIGNED over him.
Not sure I understand. I do not see anything in revelations speaking of the daughters, but the woman herself.

Yes God said the desire for the woman will be her husband. But we are not talking about a wife. but a false wife. A harlot takes the wifes place in the bedroom, and acts as the wife. She is not an actual wife but a "false wife"

as for your example. Thats the state for ya. We do not care about kids, just the rules.. sucks!!
 
I

Israel

Guest
#7
Not sure I understand. I do not see anything in revelations speaking of the daughters, but the woman herself.

Yes God said the desire for the woman will be her husband. But we are not talking about a wife. but a false wife. A harlot takes the wifes place in the bedroom, and acts as the wife. She is not an actual wife but a "false wife"

as for your example. Thats the state for ya. We do not care about kids, just the rules.. sucks!!
She is not really a wife but a bondwoman. Sarah gave hagar to Abraham to have a child according to the flesh because the child of the promise had not come yet.

Malachi 2:5-15


5My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.
6The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.
7For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.
8But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
9Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.
10Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
11Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.
12The LORD will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the LORD of hosts.
13And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand.
14Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. 15And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.

It is the mind that is the inner man. It is the thought from this mind that is the residue of the spirit or the wife of your youth. And it is the word produce from this union that is the seed.
 
A

AnandaHya

Guest
#8
the Harlot represents all who would turn from GOd and worship the world and Satan. Whenever people worship idols, other gods, themselves, their spouse or anything more than they LOVE GOD then they are sinning. the Devil seeks to destroy any thing even those who worship him. the godless destroy their friends with their words.

YouTube - God's love letter

Remember God's love letter to the world: the Holy Bible.
 

zone

Senior Member
Jun 13, 2010
27,214
164
63
#9
She is not really a wife but a bondwoman..
Revelation 11:18
And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


Isaiah 1:9 Unless the LORD Almighty had left us some survivors, we would have become like Sodom, we would have been like Gomorrah.

Isaiah 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, you rulers of Sodom; listen to the law of our God, you people of Gomorrah!

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

Jeremiah 23:14 And among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible: They commit adultery and live a lie. They strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one turns from his wickedness. They are all like Sodom to me; the people of Jerusalem are like Gomorrah."

Ezekiel 16:46 Your older sister was Samaria, who lived to the north of you with her daughters; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you with her daughters, was Sodom.

Ezekiel 16:49 "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

Ezekiel 23:3 They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed.

Ezekiel 23:8 She did not give up the prostitution she began in Egypt, when during her youth men slept with her, caressed her virgin bosom and poured out their lust upon her.

Revelation 14:8 A second angel followed and said, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries."

Revelation 14:20 They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.

Revelation 16:19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.

Revelation 17:18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."

Revelation 18:2 With a mighty voice he shouted: "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.

Revelation 18:10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: "'Woe! Woe, O great city, O Babylon, city of power! In one hour your doom has come!'


~ anyone continuing to deny who the harlot is should be considered deceived or deceiving.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#10
Revelation 14:8 A second angel followed and said, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries."
Can't be Israel, Israel has never done this.




Can't be Israel, for she has not ruled any nation, Nor, even as a nation today, does she have any say in other nations political affairs.




Again can't be Israel, for she is not called Great, nor is she Great.



Again can't be Israel, No one on earth, or very few at the least, will cry out that Israel was a power

what about vs 11: 11 “And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her

Who is going to mourn over the death of Israel, The world will rejoice over her death if it was her, For the world has been tryin gto destroy her since she was formed (even today)

The harlot was loved throughout the world, And her loss is painfull to many because of this love, Does the world love Israel?

~ anyone continuing to deny who the harlot is should be considered deceived or deceiving.
Your continued insistance that the harlot is Israel is false. for the reasons I just gave and MANY MANY MORE!!

 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#11
Going off what I just said. What religious power on earth has the power to affect nations, Is loved by the world so greatly that if she fell the world would morn for her.

Remember, this could not be a pegan or "non Christian" power, for she is a harlot, No pegan or non christian power such as islam is decaring to be the bride of Christ.
 
I

Israel

Guest
#12
Revelation 11:18
And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


Isaiah 1:9 Unless the LORD Almighty had left us some survivors, we would have become like Sodom, we would have been like Gomorrah.

Isaiah 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, you rulers of Sodom; listen to the law of our God, you people of Gomorrah!

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

Jeremiah 23:14 And among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible: They commit adultery and live a lie. They strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one turns from his wickedness. They are all like Sodom to me; the people of Jerusalem are like Gomorrah."

Ezekiel 16:46 Your older sister was Samaria, who lived to the north of you with her daughters; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you with her daughters, was Sodom.

Ezekiel 16:49 "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

Ezekiel 23:3 They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed.

Ezekiel 23:8 She did not give up the prostitution she began in Egypt, when during her youth men slept with her, caressed her virgin bosom and poured out their lust upon her.

Revelation 14:8 A second angel followed and said, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries."

Revelation 14:20 They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.

Revelation 16:19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.

Revelation 17:18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."

Revelation 18:2 With a mighty voice he shouted: "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.

Revelation 18:10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: "'Woe! Woe, O great city, O Babylon, city of power! In one hour your doom has come!'


~ anyone continuing to deny who the harlot is should be considered deceived or deceiving.
I don't know if you are referring that I am deceived or am the one who is doing the deceiving, but to each his own. That city where the bodies lay is that of earthly wisdom. When she rules, its end is death.

Revelation 17:18

18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Compare that to the wisdom of God.

Proverbs 8:14-16;36

14Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.

15By me kings reign, and princes decree justice. 16By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
36But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Her daughters are the residue of the Spirit. It is the wife of our youth whom God made one. How do we wrong our own soul when we sin against her?

1 Corinthians 6:15-19

15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
 
Feb 14, 2011
1,783
4
0
#13
Who is this Harlot? I have heard many people speak of this in a few threads lately. I thought it would be a good subject to talk about. Although it is not a salvic issue, and hope we do not get into arguments and hated fights.

I have heard many differing ideas, The harlot is a nation, I have even heard (although not here) the United States is who the Harlot is (although I think most of the world would not shed a tear if the US was destroyed) so it could not be this.

What we do know is the harlot is a powerful would influence. Very rich, Tends to side with the beast, and is destroyed by the one who makesa a covenant with Isreal before this same person desecrates the jewish temple. (probably because the Harlot would then know the true purpose of this world leader, and turn against him, so he must destroy the harlot so she can cause him no pain,) I also believes he does this at this time because the harlot would not be expecting it, so as taken by surprise is easily defeated.

Anyway, I read this awhile back. Alot of it makes sense. Some parts might be questionable. But all in all, I found it to be a very good read. I hope we can discuss it (in a sensible and humble manner, as Christians are supposed to do)

Who is the harlot of rev 17?

Rev 17 describes a judgment on the great harlot. the Apostate Religious system that exists in the tribulation period. The unbelieving professing church went into the tribulation period (rev 2: 22 ; 3: 10) and a great religious system under the domination of the great harlot arose.

Who is the harlot?

1. Bears the representation of a harlot (rev 17: 1-2, 15 - 16). It claimed to be christ's bride, but had fallen from its pure purpose and had become a harlot.(please note a harlot is a false wife, or tries to take the place of the wife)

2. a leader in ecclesiastical affairs. (rev 17 : 2. 5). Spiritual fornication in scripture is an adherance to a false religious system.

3. the system is a leader in political affairs (rev 17:3) it is seen to be controlling the beast for which it sits.

4 the system has become very rich and influential (rev 17: 4)

5. The system represents the stage of development of christiondom that was hithertoo unrevieled (rev 17: 5) in that it was called the "mystery"

6. the system has been a great persecutor of the saints. (rev 17: 6)

7. the system is an organised system of worldwide scope (rev 17 : 15)

8. The system will be destroyed by the beast, the head of the roman coalition, so that his supremace may not be threatened (rev 17: 16 - 17 )

The Identity of the harlot.

we can trace the relationship between ancient babylon and the doctrine and practice of the harlot system called mystery babylon. the woman is the religious system, who dominates the civil power at least for a time. the name on her forhead should easily enable us to identify her. but in order to do it. we must go back to old testament, and see literal babylon, for one will surely throw light on another.

The founder of babylon was nimrod, whose unholy achievments we read in the 10 chapter of genesis. He was arch apostate of the patriarchal age, he presuaded his associates and followers to join together in building a city and tower which would reach into heaven, to be recognised as a temple or rallying center for those who did not walk in obedience to the word . their city was called bab-EL which means " the gate of God " God soon changed it to babel or confusion. . it bore the stamp of reality from the first. for we are told they had brick for stone and slime for morter, An imitation of that which is real and true that has characterised Babylon in all ages.

If we return to ancient lore, we find that Nimrod's son was Nimrod Bar Cush and tells us his wife was Simerimus the first. She is reputed to have been the foundres of the babylonian mysteries and the first high priestes of idolotry. Thus babylon became the foundation for idolotry and the mother of every heathen and pagan system of the world. As it spread in various forms around the earth and is with us today and shall have its fullest development when the Holy Spirit has departed and the babylon of the Apocolypse holds sway.

Building on the primeval promise of the womans seed who was to Come (Jesus) Simerimus bore a son, whom she declared was miraculously concieved, and when she presented him, he was hailed as the promised deliverer. This was Tammuz, whose worship Ezekial protested aginst in the days of the captivity. Thus was introduced the mystery of the mother and the child, a form of idolotry that is older than any known to man.

The rites of the worship were secret, only the initiated where permitted to know its mysteries. It was Satans effort to delude mankind with an imitation so like the truth of God that they would not know the true seed of the woman when he came in the fullness of time.

From Babylon the mystry religion spread to all surrounding nations, everywhere the symbols were the same. and everywhere the cult of the Mother and the Child became the popular system. They where celebrated and worshiped with the most discusting of immoral practices. The image of the queen of heaven with the babe in her arms was seen everywhere. The names change as languages changed. From Astorith and tammuz in phoneacia, Isis and Horus in egypt. Aphrodite and Eros in greece, Venus and Cupid in Italy. within 1000 years it became the religion of the world.

Linked with this mystery were countless lesser mysteries. Among these were doctrines of purgatorial purification after death, Salvation by countless sacriments such as priestly ablusion, sprinking with holy water, offering of round cakes to the queen, as mentioned in Jeremia. Dedication of virgins to the gods. weeping for tammuz for a period of 40 days prior the festival of ishtar, who was said to have recieved her son back from ther dead. For it was taught that tammuz was slain by a wild bore and afterwords brought back to life.

To him the egg was sacred, as depicting the mystery of his ressurection (easter) even as the evergreen was chosen as a symbol to represent his birth at the winter solstice. A boars head was eaten in memory of its conflict and a yule log burned with many mysterious observances (christmas) the sign of the cross was sacred to tammuz, as symbolising the life giving principle and as the first letter of his name. It was represented on vast number of altars and temples, and did not, as many believe, origionate with christianity.

when babylon was overthrown and the city and temples destrouyed. we find the the high priest fled with a company of initiates. and traveled through pergomus till he eventually led in Italy. their the ancient cult was propogated under the etruscan mysteries, and eventually Rome became the headquarters of babylonialism.

The chief priests wore mitres shaped like the head of a fish in honor of the fish God dagon, the Lord of Life. The chief priest in Rome took on the title pontifus maximus and this was imprinted on his mitre, when julius ceaser, had become head of the state, he was elected pontifus maximus and this title was held hencforth by all roman emporors until constantine the great., who as at one time was head of the church, and high priest of the heathen.

The title was afterwords confered to the bishops of rome, and is born by the pope today, who is thus declared to be, not the successor to Peter, but the direct successor to the high preist of the babylonian mysteries. For whom he wears, like his idolotrous predecessors the fishermans ring.

During the early centuries of the churches history. the mystery of iniquity had wrought such astounding affect , and babylonian practices and teachings had been so largly absorbed by that which bore the name of christ, that the truth of holy scriptures on many points had been wholly destroyed, while idolotrous practices were forced on christian people in the form of christian sacriments and heathen philosophies took the place of gospel instruction. Thus was developed an amazing system which for 1000 years dominated europe and trafficed in the bodies and souls of men, until the great reformation of the 16 century brought a measure of deliverance.

dear friend, may i suggest you read rev.18. it will give you more info re, the harlot.
rev.17. speaks of the MOTHER of harlots. regards.

wakeup.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#14
dear friend, may i suggest you read rev.18. it will give you more info re, the harlot.
rev.17. speaks of the MOTHER of harlots. regards.

wakeup.
WAKEUP??

rev 17: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Rev 17 calls the mother "babylon the great" Rev 18 tells us what happens to this "babylon"

Before you tell someone to "wakeup" maybe you should try reading yourself. and you would see who the mother is (babylon the great)
 
Feb 14, 2011
1,783
4
0
#15
Would not a "false religious system" be classified as earthy wisdom?

I think this is too narrow of an interpretation. For again a harlot is a false wife. Earthy wisdom that does not consider itself to be a bride would not be called a harlot. Would you not agree??
hi e,g. re, bab the great the MOTHER OF HARLOTS: SHE IS THE MOTHER OF ALL
THE HARLOTS ON THIS EARTH. WELL WHO IS SHE? LETS SEE WHAT gOD HAS
TO SAY ABOUT THIS.lets go to rev.18.verse.2. the angel telling us to come out of her.
we all must come out of, embracing the spitit of this world. what is it?
this.greed,hunger for power,after luxuries,worshipping sports,success,making money,
proud,sacrifising ones self to obtain all these things,the world commerce,and all the
good things what this woman can provide,as long as one will sacrifice hardship.
must sacrifice, work overtime to get what the heart desires. this woman is making
the people drunken with these things.instead of concentrating in God.
everyone focusing on the good things this woman can provide,
instead of worshipping GOD first, and all these things will be given to you according
to gods judgement,if God thinks that it is going to get you away from god, then he wont give you. verse.11. the merchants of the earth shall weep---here it tells you .it is the
world commerce. the word city is sybolic,it is not physical. people always like to hang around in the cities,it is where all the fun is. God also has a city, his city is called ZION.
the world dont like to dwell in this city, its boring no fun.this is what the angel is
calling out : come out of bab. come into ZION,because bab. will be destroyed:
who are the daughters? all those so called christians that love this harlot,because it
is so much fun, and all the good stuff you can have: one foot in bab. and the other foot in ZION, doesnt work,these are the luke warm,but they are told by their teachers,
'''dont worry, you are saved ,and you are born again,Jesus love you,come on lets
praise the lord,the lord is merciful: we must be very alert.
stick to the scriptures. i have made it as simple as possible so all can understand.
babylon the great is this world,and that includes the nation israel, for israel is serving
babylon also, they have the same spirit, the spirit of babylon. i hope this will answer
your question. enjoy your day.

wakeup.
 
D

dmdave17

Guest
#16
I have heard many differing ideas, The harlot is a nation, I have even heard (although not here) the United States is who the Harlot is (although I think most of the world would not shed a tear if the US was destroyed) so it could not be this. ... by eternally-gratefull

It is funny that you should bring this up when you do. Just the other day I was reading Revelation and when I came across this verse, the first thought that came to mind was "is he talking about the USA?". When you consider what has happened in this country over the past 50 years, it would seem to fit into wakeup's description of "one foot in Babylon, one foot in Zion". There are an awful lot of "worldly" pursuits going on in this country.

Also, it seems a bit odd that one of the greatest nations on earth ( it hurts so much to say one of ) is not mentioned in the book at all. Scholars over the years have remarked on this without offering any real answers except, "well, something must happen".


 
Jul 6, 2010
431
4
0
#17
WAKEUP??

rev 17: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Rev 17 calls the mother "babylon the great" Rev 18 tells us what happens to this "babylon"

Before you tell someone to "wakeup" maybe you should try reading yourself. and you would see who the mother is (babylon the great)

LOL, wakeup wasn't telling you to wakeup, that's how he ends his posts, i will remind him to put thanks or something before he signs off as wakeup...people keep mistaking it as an insult...he wasn't telling you to wakeup...lol.


 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#18
I have heard many differing ideas, The harlot is a nation, I have even heard (although not here) the United States is who the Harlot is (although I think most of the world would not shed a tear if the US was destroyed) so it could not be this. ... by eternally-gratefull

It is funny that you should bring this up when you do. Just the other day I was reading Revelation and when I came across this verse, the first thought that came to mind was "is he talking about the USA?". When you consider what has happened in this country over the past 50 years, it would seem to fit into wakeup's description of "one foot in Babylon, one foot in Zion". There are an awful lot of "worldly" pursuits going on in this country.

Also, it seems a bit odd that one of the greatest nations on earth ( it hurts so much to say one of ) is not mentioned in the book at all. Scholars over the years have remarked on this without offering any real answers except, "well, something must happen".


Its funny you should say this. For most of my Christian life, I was convinced the US was the harlot spoken (My Church actually taught it) It was not until I took an actual interest in end time events and started studying that I changed my mind. I you would like to know why I will explain. But just wanted to say, I truely believed this at one time..
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#19
LOL, wakeup wasn't telling you to wakeup, that's how he ends his posts, i will remind him to put thanks or something before he signs off as wakeup...people keep mistaking it as an insult...he wasn't telling you to wakeup...lol.


LOL I see that now.. Now I feel bad!! Maybe he should end with 'Sincerly,, Wakeup. or start with, This is wakeup, and I think...

Wow I feel bad now, hope he (or she) forgives me..
 
Jul 6, 2010
431
4
0
#20
LOL I see that now.. Now I feel bad!! Maybe he should end with 'Sincerly,, Wakeup. or start with, This is wakeup, and I think...

Wow I feel bad now, hope he (or she) forgives me..

Oh don't worry, He is a humble man and i doubt it ruffled him one bit. LOL, i'll remind him again when i phone him next...oh, blue names are male, pink names fems... and also...we agree....Israel is NOT the harlot....or Babylon the Great..




 
Last edited: