The Elect?
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The elect are those who follow Jesus in the truth led by the Spirit.
Many are called but few are chosen,which means God does the choosing on earth.
God calls many but few are chosen.
God calls people while on earth,for He knows their heart,and if they proceed to do what is right pleasing to God,then He will choose them.
The Bible says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,which not everyone that claims Jesus as Lord lives up to what God expects of them,and fall short,which Jesus said not everyone that calls Him Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven.
God calls many but few are chosen,for not everyone continues in the path of righteousness,which is due to not allowing the Spirit to lead them,because they will not let go of a sin,which they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,and are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God,and ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
God said in a great house there are some to honor and some to dishonor,and among people who claim to be with Christ,you have people who follow Jesus led by the Spirit,and you have people who are hypocritical,you have people with oil in their lamps,and you have people without oil in their lamps.
Out of all the people who claim to be with Christ,the elect are those who follow Jesus led by the Spirit,who cannot be deceived by the world,where the hypocrites have a chance to be deceived not allowing the Spirit to lead them,because they want to live in sin,like cheating on their spouse that they do without repentance to turn from it,which Jesus said they cannot enter heaven,because they are workers of iniquity.
The Bible says there will be many who will say to Jesus,that they cannot understand why they cannot enter heaven,seeing they claimed Him as Lord,and labored for the kingdom of God,but they held unto sins at the same time laboring for the kingdom somewhat,but not satisfactory,for they have a form of godliness,but does not measure up to what God expects,because they still love the world a tad bit,which if any person love the world or the things in the world,the love of the Father is not in them.
Many are called but few are chosen,which means God does the choosing on earth.
God calls many but few are chosen.
God calls people while on earth,for He knows their heart,and if they proceed to do what is right pleasing to God,then He will choose them.
The Bible says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,which not everyone that claims Jesus as Lord lives up to what God expects of them,and fall short,which Jesus said not everyone that calls Him Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven.
God calls many but few are chosen,for not everyone continues in the path of righteousness,which is due to not allowing the Spirit to lead them,because they will not let go of a sin,which they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,and are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God,and ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
God said in a great house there are some to honor and some to dishonor,and among people who claim to be with Christ,you have people who follow Jesus led by the Spirit,and you have people who are hypocritical,you have people with oil in their lamps,and you have people without oil in their lamps.
Out of all the people who claim to be with Christ,the elect are those who follow Jesus led by the Spirit,who cannot be deceived by the world,where the hypocrites have a chance to be deceived not allowing the Spirit to lead them,because they want to live in sin,like cheating on their spouse that they do without repentance to turn from it,which Jesus said they cannot enter heaven,because they are workers of iniquity.
The Bible says there will be many who will say to Jesus,that they cannot understand why they cannot enter heaven,seeing they claimed Him as Lord,and labored for the kingdom of God,but they held unto sins at the same time laboring for the kingdom somewhat,but not satisfactory,for they have a form of godliness,but does not measure up to what God expects,because they still love the world a tad bit,which if any person love the world or the things in the world,the love of the Father is not in them.
K
I need to check into this more, but I think the 'elect' may be the Israelites...
I think you've got it right as you have stated, but keep in mind that I said I need to check into it more.
When I say I need to check into it more, I mean 'who' the elect are exactly.
I've found that we do have free will, and that God doesn't choose for us.
I think you've got it right as you have stated, but keep in mind that I said I need to check into it more.
When I say I need to check into it more, I mean 'who' the elect are exactly.
I've found that we do have free will, and that God doesn't choose for us.
T
I need to check into this more, but I think the 'elect' may be the Israelites...
I think you've got it right as you have stated, but keep in mind that I said I need to check into it more.
When I say I need to check into it more, I mean 'who' the elect are exactly.
I've found that we do have free will, and that God doesn't choose for us.
I think you've got it right as you have stated, but keep in mind that I said I need to check into it more.
When I say I need to check into it more, I mean 'who' the elect are exactly.
I've found that we do have free will, and that God doesn't choose for us.
You found wrong, my friend. If you want the verses to show it, let me know.
God bless!!!!
Tom
C
“the elect,” meaning that they are individuals who have chosen of their own free will to accept God’s amazing free gift of salvation through Christ Jesus.
Only God knows who His Elect are, and God makes sure that only His Elect, who are the chosen few, come to understand the true Gospel of Jesus Christ at some point in their lives before they die. Only God’s Elect are given the gift of God given saving faith to believe the Gospel.Ultimately, in God’s time and in His order, all people without exception are destined to be saved and reconciled to God through the work of the cross.
Only God knows who His Elect are, and God makes sure that only His Elect, who are the chosen few, come to understand the true Gospel of Jesus Christ at some point in their lives before they die. Only God’s Elect are given the gift of God given saving faith to believe the Gospel.Ultimately, in God’s time and in His order, all people without exception are destined to be saved and reconciled to God through the work of the cross.
J
“the elect,” meaning that they are individuals who have chosen of their own free will to accept God’s amazing free gift of salvation through Christ Jesus.
Only God knows who His Elect are, and God makes sure that only His Elect, who are the chosen few, come to understand the true Gospel of Jesus Christ at some point in their lives before they die. Only God’s Elect are given the gift of God given saving faith to believe the Gospel.Ultimately, in God’s time and in His order, all people without exception are destined to be saved and reconciled to God through the work of the cross.
Only God knows who His Elect are, and God makes sure that only His Elect, who are the chosen few, come to understand the true Gospel of Jesus Christ at some point in their lives before they die. Only God’s Elect are given the gift of God given saving faith to believe the Gospel.Ultimately, in God’s time and in His order, all people without exception are destined to be saved and reconciled to God through the work of the cross.
J
So hard to understand why God even bothered....
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known[c] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
but I guess that is s why I'm one of those predestined for hell.
J
Wrong, JD.
The bible is full of things telling us what to do, what not to do, how to act.
Every man has free will. You use yours to believe there is no free will.
The bible is full of things telling us what to do, what not to do, how to act.
Every man has free will. You use yours to believe there is no free will.
You are arguing a libertarian position regarding man's will.
Man has a will, yes. It is not as you call it, "Free Will" though.
Isaiah 10
5 Ah, Assyria, the rod of my anger;
the staff in their hands is my fury!
6 Against a godless nation I send him,
and against the people of my wrath I command him,
to take spoil and seize plunder,
and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
7 But he does not so intend,
and his heart does not so think;
but it is in his heart to destroy,
and to cut off nations not a few;
J
19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hosea,
V
Before people get too augmentative and declare they are the only one who is right, lets think about what God says. In Isaiah 55:8, God tells us that "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says the LORD." In other words, we need to stop trying to put God in a box. We have our on conclusions, based on how we interpret the Bible. The truth is, trying to decide who is elect and who is not doesn't really save us anyway. It's only the shed blood of Christ that does. And we cannot, in and of ourselves know who is elected and who is not. We are not called to be the judges but to be the light. And so, in that regards, we need to share the Gospel with everyone. So that every man will have a chance to hear and every man will have a chance to choose to accept or reject.
C
No such thing as "Free will". The bible consistently describes man's will as either a slave to sin, or a slave to righteousness.
J
Are some predestined to be saved and others to be lost and who are the elect? The answer is clear when it is recognized that the message of the gospel is one of “whosoever will.”However, in Romans 9-11 there are some statements that seem to imply that man’s free will is excluded in the matter of the believer’s salvation and that God in His choice of the elect exercises His divine sovereignty entirely apart from man’s volition.
AGBlogger said:
Two questions may be asked: “Are some predestined to be saved and others to be lost?” and, “Who are the elect?” The answer is clear when it is recognized that the message of the gospel is one of “whosoever will.” No one reading the New Testament can miss the impact of this great truth.
However, in Romans 9-11 there are some statements that seem to imply that man’s free will is excluded in the matter of the believer’s salvation and that God in His choice of the elect exercises His divine sovereignty entirely apart from man’s volition. For example:
Answers salvation <--- click
However, in Romans 9-11 there are some statements that seem to imply that man’s free will is excluded in the matter of the believer’s salvation and that God in His choice of the elect exercises His divine sovereignty entirely apart from man’s volition. For example:
Answers salvation <--- click
Also, the matter of "whosoever will" is a neutral one.
John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16 says "whosoever believes in him" as the conditional for not perishing, but having eternal life.
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If you read the earlier parts of John 3, you'll see that one must be born-again to believe in him.
John 3
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]
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16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
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