Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[KenAllan]

Matthew 28:18-20
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

1 Peter 3:15-17 (
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;
[SUP]16 [/SUP] having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.

Even though the Catholics do Evil to us we are still to do good to them. If we suffer because we are bring the Gospel of Salvation to the Catholics then REJOICE for we are doing the Will of God!

 

[Pumicestone]

Pope John Paul II saw nothing wrong with Catholic Priests molesting children!
He did his best to encourage the Catholic Priests to molest children.

The Catholics just want to left alone to Worship and follow Mary as their God.

Oh come on, Mike !
You're falling into the Ken Trap.
The Roman Catholic Church gives us more than enough ammunition to blow it away without making things up !

 

[KenAllan]

Pumicestone, when you pray the Lord's Prayer are you praying to God? Yes! If a Catholic prays the "Hail Mary" is that person praying to Mary? Yes!

Praying to Mary makes Mary their God, Pumicestone.

Every time the Catholics pray the Rosary thet are praying to Mary. There are 10 "Hail Mary" prayers in the Rosary. If a Catholic prays the Rosary 10 times a day means they are praying to Mary 100 times a day! How can you say they do not pray to Mary Pumicestone?

 

[Lifetrack]

I'm not throwing any ammunition, 1 day ago i asked: R.c. friends, is true your religion calls Mary "The mother of God" ?
how does the pope view this?

 

[mwc68]

The Bible is not a Catholic Book mwc68. The Roman Catholic Church was NOT around when the Old Testament was written! How dare you say your corrupted Church wrote the Old Testament!

This is another blatant lie taught by the Catholics to deceive people into following their God Mary.

I ddidnt say they wrote the OT! They included it! You're a nut

 

[mwc68]

Pumicestone, when you pray the Lord's Prayer are you praying to God? Yes! If a Catholic prays the "Hail Mary" is that person praying to Mary? Yes!

Praying to Mary makes Mary their God, Pumicestone.

Every time the Catholics pray the Rosary thet are praying to Mary. There are 10 "Hail Mary" prayers in the Rosary. If a Catholic prays the Rosary 10 times a day means they are praying to Mary 100 times a day! How can you say they do not pray to Mary Pumicestone?

showing. your ignorance again Ken! There are 11 our Fathers, 11 Glory Be, 10 Fatima prayers, and 53 hail marys. Why do you continue to talk about stuff you know nothing about?

 

[Pumicestone]

Pumicestone, when you pray the Lord's Prayer are you praying to God? Yes!
If a Catholic prays the "Hail Mary" is that person praying to Mary? Yes!

Praying to Mary makes Mary their God, Pumicestone.

..... How can you say they do not pray to Mary Pumicestone?

OK, I give up, We'll have to agree to differ.

I agree completely that they do pray to Mary, mate - and to a whole heap of other "saints".
They believe that these saints can produce miracles and intercede for them and all manner of silly stuff.

But that does not mean that they believe that Mary or any of this other legion of saints is a god.

They pray to God the same way you do.

 

[mwc68]

KENALLEN, Why do you doubt the power of God? If Eve was created sinless, and Mary became the new Eve and the ark of the covenant, why do you doubt God would keep her free from original sin?

 

[Jackson123]

KENALLEN, Why do you doubt the power of God? If Eve was created sinless, and Mary became the new Eve and the ark of the covenant, why do you doubt God would keep her free from original sin?

Mwc68, why do you doubt the power of God, to keep Jesus sinless though Mary is sinner

 

[mwc68]

Matthew 28:18-20
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

1 Peter 3:15-17 (
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;
[SUP]16 [/SUP] having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.

Even though the Catholics do Evil to us we are still to do good to them. If we suffer because we are bring the Gospel of Salvation to the Catholics then REJOICE for we are doing the Will of God!

We do Evil to you now? Please explain this evil we do to you! Its sad how everyday you have to make up stuff about us. Why don't you try getting to know Christ instead of carrying out this vendetta against Catholics? You are just making stuff up now

 

[KenAllan]

Its simple mwc68. If God created Eve sinless and if God could keep Mary free from original sin, then God DID have the power to keep Jesus Christ without sin!

If God could keep Mary without sin then God had the power to keep Jesus Christ without sin!

So why would God ever need the help of a SINNER like Mary to keep Jesus Christ without sin?

Do you all see what the Roman Catholics are saying? They are saying God NEEDED the help of Mary who is SINNER to keep Jesus Christ without sin!

What the Roman Catholics are teaching is that God who created everything was POWERLESS by Himself to keep Jesus Christ without sin!

Also in this the Roman Catholics are teaching Mary is equal or greater than God because God needed the help of Mary!

See how the Roman Catholics cleverly have included their God Mary into the Godhood of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit? The Roman Catholics are teaching there are 4 Gods in the Trinity! God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, and God Mary!

 

[mwc68]

Its simple mwc68. If God created Eve sinless and if God could keep Mary free from original sin, then God DID have the power to keep Jesus Christ without sin!

If God could keep Mary without sin then God had the power to keep Jesus Christ without sin!

So why would God ever need the help of a SINNER like Mary to keep Jesus Christ without sin?

Do you all see what the Roman Catholics are saying? They are saying God NEEDED the help of Mary who is SINNER to keep Jesus Christ without sin!

What the Roman Catholics are teaching is that God who created everything was POWERLESS by Himself to keep Jesus Christ without sin!

Also in this the Roman Catholics are teaching Mary is equal or greater than God because God needed the help of Mary!

See how the Roman Catholics cleverly have included their God Mary into the Godhood of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit? The Roman Catholics are teaching there are 4 Gods in the Trinity! God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, and God Mary!

Whatever dude, i have already proven you have no clue what you're talking about

 

[mwc68]

Once again for the intellectually challenged, We DON'T worship Mary, we don't think she is God or even equal to God. Got it? (I doubt it)

 

[valiant]

showing. your ignorance again Ken! There are 11 our Fathers, 11 Glory Be, 10 Fatima prayers, and 53 hail marys. Why do you continue to talk about stuff you know nothing about?

so Mary is 4 times more worthy than the Father?

 

[valiant]

KENALLEN, Why do you doubt the power of God? If Eve was created sinless, and Mary became the new Eve and the ark of the covenant, why do you doubt God would keep her free from original sin?

because Mary did not become 'the new Eve' and relating her to the Ark of the Covenant is pure fantasy. It is typical of the false arguments of the Roman Catholic church. it has no foundation.

 

[FancyNancy]

showing. your ignorance again Ken! There are 11 our Fathers, 11 Glory Be, 10 Fatima prayers, and 53 hail marys. Why do you continue to talk about stuff you know nothing about?

Ugh. Vain repetitions.

 

[valiant]

showing. your ignorance again Ken! There are 11 our Fathers, 11 Glory Be, 10 Fatima prayers, and 53 hail marys. Why do you continue to talk about stuff you know nothing about?

I wonder how many women can say 53 Hail Marys without it becoming worship in her heart?

 

[FancyNancy]

Do you understand the meaning of the word "vain"? I believe Carly Simon recorded a song about it.

Yes, in its context, "vain" means: ineffectual or unsuccessful; futile; without real significance, value, or importance; baseless or worthless; and even senseless or foolish.

 

[FancyNancy]

Because there needs to be organization. Paul wrote about this organization inhis letter to Timothy. If there is no organization, then we get the chaos of the protestants who can't seem to agree on anything

That's Jesus' job, and the reason for Holy Spirit's gifting. He equips the Church. Religion does a crap job of it.

 

[FancyNancy]

I have to disagree with your summary of the faith as unbiblical. The Bible is a Catholic book of letters and epistles (including theOT)arranged in the current cannon of 73 books in 382AD. Why anyone would believe the Church teaches contrary to the bible is amazing and ignorant. Everytime I hear we are "unbiblical" it just means you have been taught propaganda and its always the same old thing. Look through this thread! All the protestants want to do is keep posting the propaganda bullet points and refuse to answer our questions. None of you have done any serious study because you keep getting doctrines wrong over and over again. Then when we refuse to hear your bogus translations, we get told we are going to hell. As far as man- -made religion, well, Jesus Christ himself instututed the Eucharist at the Last Supper which was the first Mass. So, i guess we are a man-made religion, made by the man Jesus Christ (Yeshua)

The RCC is utterly unbiblical. Nowhere has Jesus set in a human leader over His Church, nor has He established an earthly city as its headquarters.

The bible is not a "catholic book", but of course the RCC claims it as its own, and even that the RCC wrote it, and provided it for the world, as if God had nothing to do with it. This is boasting pride to the nth degree, and let me tell you---GOD WILL JUDGE IT.

Every time you hear that the RCC is unbiblical, you smart, because it hurts to realize that it is true, and you have nothing to come back with because YOU DO NOT KNOW THE BIBLE! For catholics to argue about this is incredibly hypocritical, seeing as they insist that the bible is not authoritative!

Every time a catholic on forums such as this have an opportunity to prove a point, they rarely post scripture. (They do not know the word.) No, what they post is something from an ancient "church father". Sorry, but that just doesn't cut it!

The eucharist and mass, combined with other religious behaviours and beliefs as simply religious pretensions and affectations. Christianity is not a true religion, but is a relationship between God and individuals in a Father-child intimacy.