5 Points of Arminianism

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Magenta

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Again you refuse to answer. You like to keep it vague, play it cool 😎 keep us guessing. I get it.
I have been quite specific, but you ignore what is said in favour of your false narrative.

And I have already proven that with a multitude of posts.

The posts supplied were only a fractional sampling!

You live in a box that you are incapable of seeing out of.

And, I am not here to answer to your demands.

I already told you that. Did you listen? Obviously not.

Especially when you refuse to answer questions put to you.
 

NOV25

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You have brought into a history of Wesley to Pentecost even if they only connect because of a simple factor in each separate origin.

But you clearly have never attended any such Church because none of what YOU CLAIM THEY BELIEVE do they actually believe.

NO Pentecost believes you can work for your Salvation.

Or, you can lose it because God decides to make you lose it.

What they do believe is where both Calvin and Armini also believed at.

Mostly what they don't believe has nothing to do with Calvin or Armini.

You posted a biased Source that represents Southern Baptist beliefs and who disagrees with them.

I know, I was born into a Southern Baptist home church.
One of my buddies went to a Pentecostal church, couldn’t get him out of that satanic place. He always bugged me to go so I finally went. Long story short, the WOMAN pastor started speaking gibberish halfway through then they all chimed in. Some guy behind me put his hand on my shoulder and started murmuring in my ear. Sounded like a he was pretending to speak Chinese, it was hilarious. Chingchingbingbongwangtwang with a southern draw 🤣🤣🤣

On a serious note. 5 years after his easy believism, sinners prayer type “conversion” and baptism he made zero spiritual progress, showed no signs of the Lord beginning a work in him.
Just buried him last month, died from an overdose at 45 years old. Survived by his junky “Pentecostal” wife and two babies.
 

NOV25

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I have been quite specific, but you ignore what is said in favour of your false narrative.

And I have already proven that with a multitude of posts.

The posts supplied were only a fractional sampling!

You live in a box that you are incapable of seeing out of.

And, I am not here to answer to your demands.

I already told you that. Did you listen? Obviously not.

Especially when you refuse to answer questions put to you.
Why do you continue to argue with Calvinists if your soteriology is Calvinistic? Weird.
 

ResidentAlien

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I visited an Assemblies of God church with a friend of mine once. When the invitation was made to come down front for prayer, I went down. The guy who prayed for me worked himself up into such a frenzy he started spitting in my face, LOL. Never again.
 

NOV25

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Why do you continue to deliberately misrepresent people and what they believe?
Saved by grace, through faith and faith is a gift… This is clearly grace’r type language.
If you’re not Calvinistic Mam, it’s you who are misrepresenting yourself.

Were you trying to be sneaky? Are you parroting Calvinist language but redefining terms? You would never do that would you?
 

Magenta

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Saved by grace, through faith and faith is a gift… This is clearly grace’r type language.
Agreeing with and quoting Scripture does not make me a Calvinist.

You are being dishonest. No surprises there...
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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Why do you continue to deliberately misrepresent people and what they believe?
It's because he's "deflecting".

That means he can't answer you and is trying to put the focus on you by making false assumptions about you. This is to try to trigger you to defend yourself so that you won't realize he can't answer you.

Best way to answer is to put the focus back on the question you asked and make him answer it.
 

NOV25

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It's because he's "deflecting".

That means he can't answer you and is trying to put the focus on you by making false assumptions about you. This is to try to trigger you to defend yourself so that you won't realize he can't answer you.

Best way to answer is to put the focus back on the question you asked and make him answer it.
🤦‍♂️
I’m asking her to make a clear proclamation of her faith, she’s deflecting.
 

NOV25

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Agreeing with and quoting Scripture does not make me a Calvinist.

You are being dishonest. No surprises there...
Saved by grace, through faith and faith is a gift… This is clearly grace’r type language.
If you’re not Calvinistic Mam, it’s you who are misrepresenting yourself.

Were you trying to be sneaky? Are you parroting Calvinist language but redefining terms? You would never do that would you?
 

Magenta

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Saved by grace, through faith and faith is a gift… This is clearly grace’r type language.
If you’re not Calvinistic Mam, it’s you who are misrepresenting yourself.

Were you trying to be sneaky? Are you parroting Calvinist language but redefining terms? You would never do that would you?
Agreeing with and quoting Scripture does not make me a Calvinist.

You are being dishonest. No surprises there...
 

Snacks

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One of my buddies went to a Pentecostal church, couldn’t get him out of that satanic place. He always bugged me to go so I finally went. Long story short, the WOMAN pastor started speaking gibberish halfway through then they all chimed in. Some guy behind me put his hand on my shoulder and started murmuring in my ear. Sounded like a he was pretending to speak Chinese, it was hilarious. Chingchingbingbongwangtwang with a southern draw 🤣🤣🤣

On a serious note. 5 years after his easy believism, sinners prayer type “conversion” and baptism he made zero spiritual progress, showed no signs of the Lord beginning a work in him.
Just buried him last month, died from an overdose at 45 years old. Survived by his junky “Pentecostal” wife and two babies.
If your friend had faith in Jesus Christ then he’s saved. There’s no problem.
 

Magenta

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This is what happens to people like Nov25: they are so locked in the itty botty box they
have constructed for their theology, that despite a plenitude of evidence to the contrary,
they continue to erroneously assume and falsely accuse people of holding to beliefs they
do not have and have actively opposed for years. In other words, they are deaf, dumb, and
blind to the truth, and no amount of reasoning with them will change their minds.
 

NOV25

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This is what happens to people like Nov25: they are so locked in the itty botty box they
have constructed for their theology, that despite a plenitude of evidence to the contrary,
they continue to erroneously assume and falsely accuse people of holding to beliefs they
do not have and have actively opposed for years. In other words, they are deaf, dumb, and
blind to the truth, and no amount of reasoning with them will change their minds.
Yes, I’m locked into the truth, salvation is by grace, through faith. And just so we’re absolutely clear I mean true unmerited, unconditional, irresistible Godly grace.

Grace, in Christian theology, the spontaneous, unmerited gift of the divine favour in the salvation of sinners, and the divine influence operating in individuals for their regeneration and sanctification. Britannica

Grace:
a: unmerited divine assistance given to humans for their regeneration or sanctification
b: a virtue coming from God
c: a state of sanctification enjoyed through divine assistance. Webster

From chairo; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude) -- acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace(- ious), joy, liberality, pleasure, thank(-s, -worthy). Stong’s