*****5 Wise Virgins---------------------------------*****5 Foolish Virgins
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I know what you mean by debates that go back and forth and take up 30 pages. Been there, done that. It gets old! Not seeing it exactly 100% the same, but pretty close is about as good as it gets many times in these discussions. 
The five foolish virgins never brought any oil with them. Matthew 25:3 - The foolish virgins took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. (NIV) The foolish virgins claimed that their lamps were "going out" in verse 8, yet that would be in contradiction to verse 3.
Some may argue there must have been some residue of oil on the rag or wick of the five empty lamps, which quickly burned out, only moments after being lit, or perhaps, these foolish virgins minimized their foolishness by describing their plight as "running out" so as to look less foolish.
The difference between the five wise virgins and the five foolish virgins is salvation. These five foolish virgins were not once saved, but then "ran out" of salvation. They were lost, and never had it. They took no oil with them (vs. 3) and Jesus replied to them in verse 12, "I don't know you."
Some may argue there must have been some residue of oil on the rag or wick of the five empty lamps, which quickly burned out, only moments after being lit, or perhaps, these foolish virgins minimized their foolishness by describing their plight as "running out" so as to look less foolish.
The difference between the five wise virgins and the five foolish virgins is salvation. These five foolish virgins were not once saved, but then "ran out" of salvation. They were lost, and never had it. They took no oil with them (vs. 3) and Jesus replied to them in verse 12, "I don't know you."
A oil lamp you fill up ready for use. You then carry spare oil in case it runs out.
The parable does not say the lit their lamps when the bride groom approached.
Now if you brought a lamp with no oil, you would be very foolish, as it would
obviously not work, and you would never be ready in the first place.
It suggests to me they went with lit lamps, assuming they had enough oil
to last while they waited and for the ceremony. A lamp may last 12 hours,
so that is probably not unreasonable. Some lamps with a big wick would last
a much shorter time.
What I wondered was why light the lamps before the bride groom comes or only
have one lit from which you light all the others? But then this is a parable and not
practical oil lamp management lol.
The parable does not say the lit their lamps when the bride groom approached.
Now if you brought a lamp with no oil, you would be very foolish, as it would
obviously not work, and you would never be ready in the first place.
It suggests to me they went with lit lamps, assuming they had enough oil
to last while they waited and for the ceremony. A lamp may last 12 hours,
so that is probably not unreasonable. Some lamps with a big wick would last
a much shorter time.
What I wondered was why light the lamps before the bride groom comes or only
have one lit from which you light all the others? But then this is a parable and not
practical oil lamp management lol.
Is God a wild God?
Look at His creation. It is not tame or predictable. It pushes limits, it moves
along foundational principles and tries out new ways of doing things all the time.
There is nothing that is truly "safe". In another sense everything is truly safe
because through the cross we know He loves us and will look out for us.
Look at His creation. It is not tame or predictable. It pushes limits, it moves
along foundational principles and tries out new ways of doing things all the time.
There is nothing that is truly "safe". In another sense everything is truly safe
because through the cross we know He loves us and will look out for us.
S
I agree they all had oil, or else how would the 5 say their lamps were going out?
25 “Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
6 “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming;[a] go out to meet him!’ 7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.
11 “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12 But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’
13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour[b] in which the Son of Man is coming.
25 “Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
6 “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming;[a] go out to meet him!’ 7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.
11 “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12 But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’
13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour[b] in which the Son of Man is coming.
I agree that the oil is symbolic of the Holy Spirit, but I believe all the virgins are saved, including the foolish for when the Bridegroom had come, they went to the door, asking Him to let them in. Why ask that if they were not believers in Him?
So I believe the 5 foolish virgins are those that deny that they are filled with the Holy Spirit at salvation which was why they were out to the market to be filled with the Holy Ghost again and again and again when the Bridegroom had come which was why they were not ever ready to meet the Bridegroom.
Whereas the prudent virgins knew they were filled with the Holy Ghost by faith in Jesus Christ as promised at their salvation which is why they were ready by Him and waiting for Him when the Bridegroom had come.
Those out to the market can still repent by returning to their first love, thus repenting from chasing after those seducing spirits to receive after a sign and pray normally in giving thanks to the father for known answers to prayers thus shunning vain and profane babblings that came by seeking after those seducing spirits thinking it was the Holy Spirit, but it was not.
Trusting Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd is the only way He can help you to discern and depart from this iniquity as described in the parable of the ten virgins where the 5 foolish virgins had "departed" from faith in Him as they "were waiting for Him" with the 5 prudent virgins.
So that is why I do not believe the 5 foolish virgins were unsaved, but saved believers that have fallen away from the faith.
So I believe the 5 foolish virgins are those that deny that they are filled with the Holy Spirit at salvation which was why they were out to the market to be filled with the Holy Ghost again and again and again when the Bridegroom had come which was why they were not ever ready to meet the Bridegroom.
Whereas the prudent virgins knew they were filled with the Holy Ghost by faith in Jesus Christ as promised at their salvation which is why they were ready by Him and waiting for Him when the Bridegroom had come.
Those out to the market can still repent by returning to their first love, thus repenting from chasing after those seducing spirits to receive after a sign and pray normally in giving thanks to the father for known answers to prayers thus shunning vain and profane babblings that came by seeking after those seducing spirits thinking it was the Holy Spirit, but it was not.
Trusting Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd is the only way He can help you to discern and depart from this iniquity as described in the parable of the ten virgins where the 5 foolish virgins had "departed" from faith in Him as they "were waiting for Him" with the 5 prudent virgins.
So that is why I do not believe the 5 foolish virgins were unsaved, but saved believers that have fallen away from the faith.
Why did I click on this forum post....I don't get it, any of it, or believe any of you. I'll just go consult the very holy spirit ya'll are talking about on here and see what he has to say.
After all, those of us who have him will be 'guided into all truth' right? John 16:13.
Thanks for the fun read though
After all, those of us who have him will be 'guided into all truth' right? John 16:13.
Thanks for the fun read though
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3 [FONT="]They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
[/FONT][FONT="]4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
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[FONT="]6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.[/FONT]
[FONT="]7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
,ok,so not only are you making virgins into something else,you are completely neglecting that the wise took vessels along with their lamps.( indicating the wise took extra,and the foolish only took their lamps)
You also missed the part where THEY ALL AROSE AND TRIMMED THEIR LAMPS (adjusted the flame)
Then ,top it off the foolish had lamps lit and burning with no oil (our lamps are gone out)[/FONT]
[/FONT][FONT="]4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
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[FONT="]6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.[/FONT]
[FONT="]7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
,ok,so not only are you making virgins into something else,you are completely neglecting that the wise took vessels along with their lamps.( indicating the wise took extra,and the foolish only took their lamps)
You also missed the part where THEY ALL AROSE AND TRIMMED THEIR LAMPS (adjusted the flame)
Then ,top it off the foolish had lamps lit and burning with no oil (our lamps are gone out)[/FONT]
