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preston39

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Hi p39,

1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24, Shows only 2 resurrections.

The #1 resur. is Jesus, the first fruits.

The #2 resur. is those who are His at His coming.

Then it is the end, where death is destroyed. (Rev 20:14-15)


The #2 resur, is the rapture/resurrection. But then it is the end, no more resurrections, only 2 are shown.

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Pre trib has many variations, on the number of resurrections. I have heard as many as 7 or more resurrections.

How many resurrections do you count?

Paul says 2, #1 and #2, then it is the end.
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I think Paul has it right.

While the rapture is a [FONT=&quot]miraculous event, The Bible description of the occurrence leaves no room for Christ to be returning at that time. He returns later. at the battle of Armageddon. [/FONT]
 

abcdef

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a...,

I think Paul has it right.

While the rapture is a miraculous event, The Bible description of the occurrence leaves no room for Christ to be returning at that time. He returns later. at the battle of Armageddon.
How many resurrections are there?

#1 Jesus

#2 those who are His at His coming. This is the rapt/resur. Then it is the end.

After #2 death is destroyed.

So after the rapt/resur it is the end when death is destroyed. 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24. Rev 20:14-15.

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Jesus never returns to planet earth. He comes for the kingdom, we meet Him in the air, but then it is the end where there is the judgment and death is destroyed.
 

Bladerunner

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Hi p39,

1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24, Shows only 2 resurrections.

The #1 resur. is Jesus, the first fruits.

The #2 resur. is those who are His at His coming.

Then it is the end, where death is destroyed. (Rev 20:14-15)


The #2 resur, is the rapture/resurrection. But then it is the end, no more resurrections, only 2 are shown.

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Pre trib has many variations, on the number of resurrections. I have heard as many as 7 or more resurrections.

How many resurrections do you count?

Paul says 2, #1 and #2, then it is the end.
seven

Blade
 

abcdef

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Brother Blade,

The texts are not showing 7 different resurrections. They are showing the 1st or 2nd, from different views.

The message of Jesus to Israel, wild and natural branches, is that Jerusalem is restored to Israel after the times of the gentiles, 70 ad - 1967.

This message is repeated over and over again. That is why there are so many pictures of the resurrections. Because the same story is repeated.

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1. The scroll, The seals and trumpets. The main message.

These cover the time from the rejection of the kingdom by Israel 37 ad, until Jesus comes for the kingdom at the rapt/resur 7th trumpet. Then the judgment and eternity. The story of the scroll ends there and the time line turns to the woman and the beast.

The 6/7th seals are the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad.

The first 4 trumpets show the time line after 70 ad known as the times of the gentiles. The 4 trumpets are on the 4 parts of creation Rev 14, Anywhere in creation, where Israel rejecting the gospel is after 70 ad.

The story scroll ends at the #2 rapt/resur, when Jesus comes for those who are His, the coming for the kingdom at the 7th/last trumpet. Then it is the end.

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2. The 2 witnesses. The same story.

Israel from the rejection of the gospel (temple and worshipers are measured), wandering until they are restored to Jerusalem, until the #2 rapt/resurrection.

The 7th trumpet and the resurrection of the 2W's, are both showing the same #2 resurrection.

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3. Rev 14. The same story.

The angel who reaps the first harvest is Jesus at the #1 resurrection.

The grapes are trodden outside the "city", showing Jesus' withdrawing of blessings on the natural branches during the times of the gentiles.

So the resur. shown, is not an additional resurrection in the time line, it is showing the #1 resur..

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4. The mill, Rev 20. The same story.

The #1 resurrection shown is Jesus.

The #2 resur. is the 7th trumpet, coming for the kingdom, rapt/resurr.

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5. Those who are shown in heaven with Jesus at the writing of the Rev (96 ad approx.), are showing the #1 resur. of Jesus. The 144,000, the multitude that no man can count (MNMCC), the elders, those who live and reign with Jesus for the mill, are all showing the #1 resur.

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Basically, this brakes the Rev down into the same story repeating, instead of one continual time line.
 

abcdef

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a...,

I think Paul has it right.

While the rapture is a miraculous event, The Bible description of the occurrence leaves no room for Christ to be returning at that time. He returns later. at the battle of Armageddon.
p39,

The battle of Armageddon takes place before the 7th vial/bowl of Rev 16.

Rev 19, is showing the victory of the gospel over the Roman Empire beast in 476 ad.
 

abcdef

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Not by scriptures of the KJV.
p39,

How many resurrections do you count? You say that you disagree, but do not give a number in reply.

You are pre-trib? But do not have a firm number?
 

DiscipleDave

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The Prophet Zechariah talks about all nations coming against Jerusalem, and all those that came against Jerusalem will most certainly die horribly. Zechariah 14 is a prophecy concerning this and Jesus Returning and starting His reign on Earth.


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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
 

abcdef

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The Prophet Zechariah talks about all nations coming against Jerusalem, and all those that came against Jerusalem will most certainly die horribly. Zechariah 14 is a prophecy concerning this and Jesus Returning and starting His reign on Earth.


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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
Zech 14 is about Jesus coming in His ministry, the Holy Spirit gospel flowing from Jerusalem, and the dest of Jerusalem in 70 ad.

Jesus reigns the kingdom in heaven and on earth now. The kingdom/church came on Pentecost. After Jesus comes for the kingdom at the #2 resurrection/rapt, it is the end. 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.
 

preston39

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p39,

How many resurrections do you count? You say that you disagree, but do not give a number in reply.

You are pre-trib? But do not have a firm number?
a...,

See previous posts...2.

Yes...I am pre-trib.
 
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abcdef

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a...,

See previous posts...2.

Yes...I am pre-trib.
p39,

So the #1 resur is Jesus, 33 ad.

#2 resur/rapt, at His coming for those who are His. Yet to happen.

Then it is the end when death is destroyed. Also shown in Rev 20:14-15.

So it looks like there is no trib after the #2 resur/rapt, because it is the end, yes?

Then that means that the trib must take place between the #1 resur of Jesus, and the #2 resur/rapt of His coming for the kingdom/church, not after.
 

abcdef

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Jerusalem is surrounded by the kings of the east (Iran), and Magog (The gentile nations, Russia, Syria, etc.).

Soon, Israel will stand alone.

Then the battle of Armageddon will take place, in front of you. Israel will lose.

3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls,

At the 7th trumpet, Jesus is coming for the kingdom/church.

Then it is the end. 1 Cor 15:23-28,23-24.

Behold, The Bridegroom cometh!
 

Bladerunner

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Jerusalem is surrounded by the kings of the east (Iran), and Magog (The gentile nations, Russia, Syria, etc.).

Soon, Israel will stand alone.

Then the battle of Armageddon will take place, in front of you. Israel will lose.

3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls,

At the 7th trumpet, Jesus is coming for the kingdom/church.

Then it is the end. 1 Cor 15:23-28,23-24.

Behold, The Bridegroom cometh!


I just seems you cannot or will not get it....I tend to lean toward the later with all your ramblings on this forum.[

B] Israel was , is not and will never be without GOD[/B] If you think different, then you are condemning yourself.
 

abcdef

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I just seems you cannot or will not get it....I tend to lean toward the later with all your ramblings on this forum.[


Brother Blade,

So far, I have shown you that the Psalm 83 war is history.

Ezek chs. 38-39 are history.

The Destruction of Damascus has already happened.

The 7 times are not 7 years, they are the same time shown as the statue in Dan. 2.

Israel was restored to Jerusalem in 1967, ending the trib/times of the gentiles.

The beast is Rome, and the iron legs/toes have no gap, proving that the BoR is the Caesar/Antichrist and he has been here all along.

If you want to hang on to teachings that are shown to be false, that is up to you.


B] Israel was , is not and will never be without GOD[/B] If you think different, then you are condemning yourself.
Which Israel? The broken off branches? The white wash empty tomb Pharisees?

The Israel that was destroyed in 70 ad?

The Israel that has been persecuted by the Roman beast for the last 1900 years after the dest of Jerusalem?

Not all who are Israel, are Israel.

The Israel after the spirit will not be without God.

The Israel that rejects the gospel kingdom call is cut off.