Prayer of Renunciation

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danschance

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Joseph Smith taught in the name of Jesus too.
Actually his followers want to be accepted as brothers because...
1. They confess Christ
2. Go on extra biblical personal experience to justify spiritual practices.

Once again you are quick to say Therapon is following the traditions of men. Yet I find it very curious that you do not state what you think is the right way to do deliverance. Honestly, if you know he is doing something wrong, should you not correct him?

What is the right way to cast a demon out?
 
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Abiding

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Of the believer, the Bible says...

Colossians 1
[SUP]13 [/SUP]He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,

Any potential curses from parents are removed once you're saved.
You've been DELIVERED from the power of darkness.

I know quaint personal experiences from some, and references to Neil T. Anderson may contradict what the Bible actually says, but I'd suggest going with Bible.
Amen read anderson, he says when experience says one thing and the bible says another
we need to decide the experience is true and the bible was misunderstood.

People think little on the flesh and sin and the mind that isnt disciplined can damage the soul.
Prayer and faith are powerful which was what happened by Gods mercy the rest was the imagination
of the deliverance leader. God will help the soul that calls on him. Messed up false unbiblical techniques
was not the deliverer. God may have mercy on them also.

At least i hope so since im the one God has chosen many times to heal the ones
coming away from these deliverance ministries. Sad cases they are just scared any
thing they do wrong will get them possessed again, ot fear they are possessed anytime
they have a temptation
 
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1still_waters

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Once again you are quick to say Therapon is following the traditions of men. Yet I find it very curious that you do not state what you think is the right way to do deliverance. Honestly, if you know he is doing something wrong, should you not correct him?

What is the right way to cast a demon out?
I've shown repeatedly he teaches that believers can be bound by Satan.
I've shown numerous Bible verses that show believers can't be bound by Satan.

Therapon appeals to men, not Bible to prove that believers can be bound by Satan.
If it's not based on Bible and it's based on men, then it's a tradition of men.
 
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Therapon

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Once again you are quick to say Therapon is following the traditions of men. Yet I find it very curious that you do not state what you think is the right way to do deliverance. Honestly, if you know he is doing something wrong, should you not correct him?

What is the right way to cast a demon out?
They don't believe deliverance is important because they don't think Christians can be demonized. But I can tell you flat out, it is an exercise in futility to try to deliver an unsaved man from his demons, because that evil spirit will just come back and bring several worse ones with him.
 
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PrettyBelle

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In the 100 or so multiples I knew, their multiplicity was caused by gross abuse while they were infants, usually beginning while they still in the crib. That abuse was of four types, either separately or in joinder . . .

1. Gross physical abuse
2. Mental abuse
3. Sexual abuse
4. Satanic ritual abuse (SRA)
I am not DID but have huge chunks gone from my memory from sexual abuse. I was 5 when it happened. It's really upsetting to not be able to remember my childhood. Do you think it's God's way of protecting the mind from trauma? I've never researched it in a spiritual sense.
 
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Therapon

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I've shown repeatedly he teaches that believers can be bound by Satan.
I've shown numerous Bible verses that show believers can't be bound by Satan.

Therapon appeals to men, not Bible to prove that believers can be bound by Satan.
If it's not based on Bible and it's based on men, then it's a tradition of men.
Jesus said it first . . . "And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?" Luke 13:16
 
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Abiding

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They don't believe deliverance is important because they don't think Christians can be demonized. But I can tell you flat out, it is an exercise in futility to try to deliver an unsaved man from his demons, because that evil spirit will just come back and bring several worse ones with him.
But we are not called to cast out demons willy nilly. The Holyspirit sets this up
or lieing demons to take deliverance people into planned experiences they can say
are truth, happens all the time. Dont say unsaved peoples demons wont leave
i know better than that. But this happens at the point of conversion, surrender.
God calls the shots we dont.
 
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Therapon

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I am not DID but have huge chunks gone from my memory from sexual abuse. I was 5 when it happened. It's really upsetting to not be able to remember my childhood. Do you think it's God's way of protecting the mind from trauma? I've never researched it in a spiritual sense.
Yes, my dear, it is indeed God's protection. But are you sure you are not DID? Loss of early memory is one of the major symptoms that an alter has your memories.
 
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Therapon

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But we are not called to cast out demons willy nilly. The Holyspirit sets this up
or lieing demons to take deliverance people into planned experiences they can say
are truth, happens all the time. Dont say unsaved peoples demons wont leave
i know better than that. But this happens at the point of conversion, surrender.
God calls the shots we dont.
I didn't say you couldn't cast out an unsaved person's demons, only that it was a mistake to do so. If done properly, getting rid of demons in a saved person is no problem at all. Depends a lot on the attitude of the person being delivered and we are called to lead people to fredom in Jesus.
 
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Abiding

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I didn't say you couldn't cast out an unsaved person's demons, only that it was a mistake to do so. If done properly, getting rid of demons in a saved person is no problem at all. Depends a lot on the attitude of the person being delivered
for me it wasnt a mistake. Its happened a few times. Nothing
i wanted to do or even had a thought about, but each time
they were saved after and placed in a group for discipleship.

Im not saying you havnt delivered folk who heard the gospel
i just dont believe they were yet converted. And my thinking is
that if you did deliver them from demons they were converted
in the process. thats from both my understanding of scripture
and experience.
 
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Abiding

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I dont have any gift understanding multiples i minister to a few skitzos
but as far as i can tell its a mental illness. And that also wasnt my plan
i seem to attract them...since few folk can handle their emotions
 
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Therapon

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I am not DID but have huge chunks gone from my memory from sexual abuse. I was 5 when it happened. It's really upsetting to not be able to remember my childhood. Do you think it's God's way of protecting the mind from trauma? I've never researched it in a spiritual sense.
I forgot to ask: Do you also lose time, hear voices or can you see inside? If any of the above is true, PM me and we can go on from there.
 
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danschance

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I am not DID but have huge chunks gone from my memory from sexual abuse. I was 5 when it happened. It's really upsetting to not be able to remember my childhood. Do you think it's God's way of protecting the mind from trauma? I've never researched it in a spiritual sense.
Missing memories coupled with childhood trauma is typical of DID. I lived 49 years and had no clue I had DID. Alters do a great job of hiding. I suggest you prayerfully seek out a deliverance ministry. Trust me, it can be very rewarding and exciting to see how God brings the pieces of our lives back together.

Symptoms of DID include:

1) Missing memories
2) Childhood trauma(s)
3) Sexual abuse
4) Suicidal thoughts and or attempts at suicide
5) Depression
6) Sudden and explosive temper that seems to come out of no where.
7) Interest in the occult, astrology, UFOs, New Age, etc.
8) Seeing a spirit, ghost or shadow person.
9) History of self harm (cutting, pulling hair out, bitting oneself, etc)
10) Panic attacks and/or phobias


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUaLXDIyfew
 
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Therapon

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for me it wasnt a mistake. Its happened a few times. Nothing
i wanted to do or even had a thought about, but each time
they were saved after and placed in a group for discipleship.

Im not saying you havnt delivered folk who heard the gospel
i just dont believe they were yet converted. And my thinking is
that if you did deliver them from demons they were converted
in the process. thats from both my understanding of scripture
and experience.
Shoot, I don't care what doctrinal label you put on it, just so the person eventually came to the Lord. <smile>
 
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1still_waters

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Jesus said it first . . . "And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?" Luke 13:16
We've been around this mountain a few times.
Not conclusive she was a believer.
It's a pre-resurrection, and pre-pentecost happening.
 
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Therapon

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Missing memories coupled with childhood trauma is typical of DID. I lived 49 years and had no clue I had DID. Alters do a great job of hiding. I suggest you prayerfully seek out a deliverance ministry. Trust me, it can be very rewarding and exciting to see how God brings the pieces of our lives back together.

Symptoms of DID include:

1) Missing memories
2) Childhood trauma(s)
3) Sexual abuse
4) Suicidal thoughts and or attempts at suicide
5) Depression
6) Sudden and explosive temper that seems to come out of no where.
7) Interest in the occult, astrology, UFOs, New Age, etc.
8) Seeing a spirit, ghost or shadow person.
9) History of self harm (cutting, pulling hair out, bitting oneself, etc)
10) Panic attacks and/or phobias


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUaLXDIyfew
She needs to be careful about choosing that deliverance ministry. If they don't know what they're doing they'll try to cast out those "demon alters."
 
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ladylynn

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I think it is difficult at times for us christians to admit we do not know everything about the Scriptures. :D When we studied for many years and lived comfortably - emotionally, raised our kids on certain interpretations of the Bible. Then later to be challanged by different christian brothers and sisters. It makes us have to step out in faith again when we thought we already had something settled. We each will have to go through this imo., it's so well worth the trying of our faith because we get stronger in His love for us and learn to love others better than we did before.

God loves each one of us where we are in our relationship with Him. I remember the story in the Bible about the prodical son and his older brother. Both of them needed to learn lessons - and their father loved them both even as they were learning. amazing :D

How many of us have cast out demons? Been a missionary? Had cancer? lost a parent? etc.... I'm sure each one of us would experience these things in a different way based on our unique circumstances and personality differences. Also, how can we know how we would react in such life altering situations such as those? (if we are honest with ourselves)

We each experience the Lord's love personally. We can't experience Him for someone else. And when one of our brothers or sisters does not agree with our interpretation of the Bible., our love (or lack of it) is seen in our response.

It is a freeing habit to be able to let others be different and yet not feel threatened. :cool: Rejection is never easy - i don't care how old we get or how confident, it goes against our nature and always hurts. :(
 
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danschance

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She needs to be careful about choosing that deliverance ministry. If they don't know what they're doing they'll try to cast out those "demon alters."

I understand that. One needs to lean on God for direction, esp. when choosing the right deliverance ministry. I would recomend you with out hesitation. :)
 
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Abiding

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thats the problem the damage done by classroom or paperback taught
deliverance ministries. What a mess! I know of entire towns theve messed
up and broken many families.
 
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Therapon

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We've been around this mountain a few times.
Not conclusive she was a believer.
It's a pre-resurrection, and pre-pentecost happening.
LOL, "daughter of Abraham" but unsaved??? Now that's a stretch, you should have been a lawyer. Note in the Gospel record, all the other demonized people Jesus freed. Not once did He tell them they also needed to be converted. Why not? Because they were alreeady God's children.