Can Faithful Jews Who Worship YHWH, Know the Son of God - Even if They Don't Know It?

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PeteWaldo

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See how it works newton was a kabalst that is a fact!!!!! So now we know who you trust.
You choose Roman Church styled punitive supersessionism. I choose those great men of God of the Reformation who sacrificed their lives to help the ecclesia overcome the dead formalism of the Roman Church.

Matthew Henry: "If God will build Jerusalem for the people and their comfort, they must inhabit it for him and his glory. The promises and privileges with which God's people are blessed, should engage us to join them, whatever it costs us."

Thomas Brightman (1562-1607): "The restoring of the Jewes and their callinge to the faith of Christ after the utter overthrow of their three enemies is set forth in livelie colours." "Shall they return to Jerusalem again?" "There is nothing more certain: the prophets do everywhere confirm it and beat upon it."

John Owen 1616-1683: "The Jews shall be gathered from all parts of the earth where they are scattered, and brought home into their homeland."

In 1641 Oliver Cromwell stated, "And it may be, as some think, God will bring the Jews home to their station, 'from all the isles of the sea,' and answer their expectations 'as from the depths of the sea.'
 
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doulos

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reported for lying and promoting the satanic religion of Talmudic Judaism Jesus our Lord cursed.
the religion which curses Jesus, Mary, christians and all gentiles.

you will be reported consistently until you are banned.
If lying is reason enough to ban people why are you still here?
 

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In Judaism's Strange Gods: Revised and Expanded Christian scholar Michael Hoffman documents his provocative thesis that Judaism is not the religion of the Old Testament, but the newly formalized belief system of the Pharisees, which arose in Babylon with the commitment of the formally oral traditions of the elders to writing, in the wake of the crucifixion of Israels Messiah and the destruction of the Temple.

Basing his findings on authoritative Judaic sources, Hoffman demonstrates that Judaism is a man-made religion of tradition and superstition, which represents the institutionalized nullification of Biblical law and doctrine.

Liberating the reader from the accumulated shackles of decades of misinformation, this book that shows that Judaism's god is not the God of Israel, but the strange gods of Talmud and Kabbalah, and the racial self-worship they inculcate.

Christian bookstores are packed with tomes purporting to unmask the religion of Islam, but not one slim volume will be found delving into the depravities of Orthodox Judaism.Judaism's Strange Gods: Revised and Expanded: corrects that imbalance with its fidelity to Biblical truth and the historic witness of the Church.

Here is the best book on Judaism for educating people about the hidden side of this much glorified, but soul-destroying religion of warfare and deception. Hoffman deconstructs the facade of Judaism in clear and understandable writing, and does so charitably and without vitriol.

SAMPLE CONTENTS:
Principle Sources of the Divine Law of the Religion of Orthodox Judaism;
The Rabbinic Eras;
Rabbinic Law vs. Biblical Law;
Judaism's Attack On The Prophets And Patriarchs;
The Talmud: Only a Record of Debates?;
'The Babylonian Talmud Represents God in the Flesh';
Judaism's Hermeneutic of Concealment in Theory and Practice;
The Tarnish on Hillel's Golden Rule;
A Gigantic Heap of Self-Perpetuating Legal and Textual Arcana;
Falsifying Scripture with Gezera Shava;
'A Hedge Around the Law'; Loopholes And Escape Clauses;
'The Pious of the Nations' Loophole;
Four Exegetical Categories:
PaRDeS, Outright Lies and Deception;
Permissible Categories of Lying;
The Deceiver's Gloss on Exodus 23:7;
Why Women Have Not Been Allowed to Study the Talmud;
Bribery;
Defrauding Workers;
The Authority of the Talmud;
The Inferiority of Gentiles;
Gentile is not a Brother or a Neighbor;
Jews May Kill Non-Jews;
Torat Hamelech: Warrant For The Murder Of Gentiles;
The Status of the Gentile in Jewish Law;
Non-Jews are 'Supernal Refuse';
The Maimonidean Halachos of Manslaughter: 'Lifting and Lowering, Judaism Teaches: Abraham and Isaac were Tainted with Lust;
Rabbinic Texts are a Virulent Source of Anti-Black Racism;
Every Gentile's Mother, Daughter and Sister is NShGZ';
New World Order: U.S. Government Lays The Groundwork For Talmudic Courts;
Christians in the Talmud;
Escape Clauses and Loopholes Concerning the Rabbinic Ban on Churches;
Talmud Citations Concerning Christianity;
Balaam: The Talmud's Code Name for Jesus;
Christianity Alleged to be a Form of Prostitution;
Mary the Mother of Jesus as Sedata' (a promiscuous woman);
Establishing a Legal Principle for Courtroom Entrapment of Christ and Christians;
Pandera and Balaam: Jesus as a Bastard in the Talmud;
Origen Contra the Antichrist Rabbinic Calumnies of Celsus;
Anti-Goyimitic and Anti-Christian Hatred;
Divine Mandate to Kill Jesus Christ and Christians;
Judaism's Reincarnation Dogma;
Star of Bohemia, Not David;
Kaparot: The Sin Chicken;
The X-Rated Talmud;
Judaism and Menstruation;
Judaism and Abortion;
Converts and Conversions to Judaism;
Yom Kippur and the Kol Nidrei Nullification of Vows;
Judaism's Holy Days;
Birkat HaMinim: The Curse on Christians;
Child Molestation and Homosexuality;
Glossary of terms;
Index.

REFUTE ANY OF IT
 
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zone

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If lying is reason enough to ban people why are you still here?
you're another one, the Therapon Zionist false gospel CULT.

anathema.
 
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Nice to see zone and jimmydiggsstill around :)

I just wanted to go back to this comment.

Almost every christian says that you must not follow any of the ways that Jesus lived His life with us, for that is Judaism. They even refuse to learn from studying that lifestyle.
That's a very dangerous statement. It doesn't matter what every "christian" says. Jesus lived a life of example for us to follow. Sure, there are things that He did as a Jew that aren't required for us such as physical circumcision, but we are to follow His life as an example for our own, not comparing our own faith with the faith of others, but with the scriptures.

You two are right in feeling bad for the fact that many faith professing Christians look down on the Jews and practice not Christ's love towards them. But scripture is clear of what's what.

The apostle Paul writes

[h=3]Romans 9:1-3[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)

[h=3]God’s Selection of Israel[/h]9 With Christ as my witness, I speak with utter truthfulness. My conscience and the Holy Spirit confirm it. [SUP]2 [/SUP]My heart is filled with bitter sorrow and unending grief [SUP]3 [/SUP]for my people, my Jewish brothers and sisters.[SUP][a][/SUP] I would be willing to be forever cursed—cut off from Christ!—if that would save them.
[h=4]Footnotes:[/h]
  1. 9:3 Greek my brothers.

[h=3]Matthew 8:11-12[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I tell you this, that many Gentiles will come from all over the world—from east and west—and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob at the feast in the Kingdom of Heaven. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But many Israelites—those for whom the Kingdom was prepared—will be thrown into outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Anyway... Pete, sir, you seem to know a lot. But, please use this information for the Lord, and don't confuse these things and blend them with scripture and in turn stumble us here. You know the severity of such a thing.

God bless you guys.
 
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Let me clarify some of this sillyness here. Orthodox jews DO treach the talmud as inspired commentary, as they treat the mishnah as the oral law from Moses being God given authority. Both are garbage and doctrine of hasatan. washing of hands is not biblical. It is common sense to do, but is not a commandment in Torah. I am a Torah observant jew who believes in the fullness of Yeshua and all that He is in the NT. So yes, faithful jews who worship YHVH can know the Son. For ONLY jews who actually worship YHVH know the Son. For those of Israel who keep talmud, mishnah, kabbalah etc. serve a false doctrine which YAH has nothing for. There worship is in vain as scripture is clear on.
Thank you very much for that ANIOHEVTORAH. And as many times as I ask them how they would like it if Jews assigned to these same guys the beliefs of Christian cults, as if all Christians believe the book of Mormon and such, they somehow don't seem to be able to answer.

And they continue on assigning the Talmud in spite of what should serve as a warning from Ted Pike who does the same. Here you can see that because of his theology and those birds flocking together, he believes that being tortured and tormented to suicide by demons, is part of what Christians are promised in the scriptures for being faithful. You would think he would get the hint:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ng-demon-possessed-persons-4.html#post1004249

I don't wonder if when a self-proclaimed Christian goes mucking about in the Talmud, to assign those books to faithful Jews, and let's be honest about it - through hatred - perhaps they may well be wind up wearing the Talmud themselves, in judgment. Ironically, in spite of assigning beliefs to others that they don't hold, proclaiming God's judgment on persons, false accusations and joining Muslims in railing against the Israelis, and other such behavior exhibited by partial preterist punitive supersessionists, they are the ones most often found invoking:

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.
 
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wdeaton65

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You hedged the question. God allowed Islam too, even though the false prophet Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite, of the whole subject, of the Gospel. Even though Muslims are taught that to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even pray in Jesus' name would constitute the ONLY unforgivable sin as opposed to child rape or cold-blooded mass murder which may be forgiven.
When I asked if you believe it is "of the Lord" I meant if you believe Jews were restored to Israel with God's approval. Like, for example, that they were restored to their land, for the sake of God's holy name, and that this is a fulfillment of bible prophecy.

22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not [this] for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you

A fulfillment of prophecy so stunning that even "the heathen" would know He is Lord.



So you're suggesting that the strong delusion is with Israeli Christians, Israeli non-Muslim and secular Arabs, Israeli Messianic Jews, Israeli Torah Jews, Israeli secular Jews.

And the truth is with the Muslims that reject Israel as a nation, along with Roman Church styled punitive supersessionists. You choose to help advance the cause of those that seek turn Israel into just another Sharia law ruled, multiple wife and concubine beating, little girl circumcising (FGM), little girl doing, slave making and trading, Islamic "apostate" killing, Christian and Jew persecuting and murdering, church and synagogue burning, Islamic slave state.
To polish off the last vestiges of any color other than the purple.

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The only place in the Middle east that protects the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination of Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims, where Muslims enjoy more freedom than they do in any Islam controlled country on earth.



Perhaps next you'll be posting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.



Is it that difficult for you to see that your theology has you in bed with the enemy of God?



While I have seen it frequently falsely accused of Christians, who recognize the restoration of Jews to Israel to be the fulfillment of so much prophecy, I haven't yet found anyone who would suggest that some blinded Jews may be saved purely as a matter of genetics, but rather instead from a circumcision of the heart through faith.



That's the admission I was looking for, and confirmation of what a great discriminator this subject is, throughout the world. Of both those of the world as well as people of faith.


Certainly enough for me. Completed yes indeed. However does that mean I believe God was finished with a plan for faithful YHWH worshiping Jews in the first century, some of whom He Himself blinded to the Gospel? I would suggest the restoration of Jews to Israel, as the focus of the world today, pretty much eliminates any such notion. A fulfillment of prophecy so stunning that even "the heathen" should know He is Lord.
I will leave the islam issue up to people like zone and abiding and sorry if I missed any these people that have more info on the subject than me the Lord has not called me for that issue. However if you want to line up N/T with O/T and see what is being talked about that is a different story I know for a fact that GOD did not decide to change HIS plan set forth in Genesis from the beginning. That is what I am more equipt. for. No where in the Torah is there a story of YHWH blesing anyone who would deny The Messiah for any reason. You better think about what was really going with that rams horns stuck in an thicket Abraham and Isaac in Gen.22;13 Notice it is behind Him Abraham had to turn to see the offering GOD provided. If you think YHWH leaves anything to chance you are lost. Everything with GOD is pictures of HIS love for those who will turn from this world and turn to HIS ways HIS SON Yeshua JESUS. You need to sit down with some one who can see and understand the real truth not some kind of counterfiet I hope you seek out such a person please pete.
 

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Albert Gallatin Mackey was an American medical doctor, and is best known for his authorship of many books and articles about freemasonry, particularly Masonic Landmarks. He served as Grand Lecturer and Grand Secretary of The Grand Lodge of South Carolina; Secretary General of the Supreme Council of the Ancient and Accepted Rite for the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States.

In July, 1865, President Johnson appointed him Collector of the Port. Later defeated in a senatorial race, he moved to Washington, D.C. in 1870. In July, 1865, President Johnson appointed him Collector of the Port. Later defeated in a senatorial race, he moved to Washington, D.C. in 1870.

Compiler of A Lexicon of Freemasonry in 1845, he went on to publish many books on Freemasonry, most notably his Encyclopedia of Freemasonry. At various times he also edited such publications as the Western Masonic Miscellany (1849-1854), the Masonic Quarterly Review (1857-1858), the American Freemason (1859-1860), and Mackey’s National Freemason (1871-1874) and the Voice of Freemasonry (1875-1879).

Albert Gallatin Mackey

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zone

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Orthodox Jews believe God taught the Oral Torah to Moses

And as many times as I ask them how they would like it if Jews assigned to these same guys the beliefs of Christian cults, as if all Christians believe the book of Mormon and such, they somehow don't seem to be able to answer.

And they continue on assigning the Talmud in spite of....

I don't wonder if when a self-proclaimed Christian goes mucking about in the Talmud, to assign those books to faithful Jews, and let's be honest about it - through hatred - perhaps they may well be wind up wearing the Talmud themselves, in judgment.

Ironically, in spite of assigning beliefs to others that they don't hold
FROM JUDAIC SOURCE.
DO YOU NEED 1,000 MORE?

JUDAISM

Movements Before the 20th Century

All Jewish movements that exist today are derived from one movement, identified in the Christian scriptures as the Pharisees.

At the dawn of Christianity, there were several different competing schools of thought: the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Essenes, and the Zealots. The Pharisaic school of thought is the only one that survived the destruction of the Temple. The Pharisees believed that God gave the Jews both a written Torah and an oral Torah, both of which were equally binding and both of which were open to reinterpretation by the rabbis, people with sufficient education to make such decisions. The Pharisees were devoted to study of the Torah and education for all.

Today, this school of thought is known as Rabbinical Judaism.


Movements in 20th Century United States

Orthodoxy is actually made up of several different groups. It includes the modern Orthodox, who have largely integrated into modern society while maintaining observance of halakhah (Jewish Law), the Chasidim, who live separately and dress distinctively (commonly referred to in the media as the "ultra-Orthodox"), and the Yeshivish Orthodox, who are neither Chasidic nor modern. The Orthodox movements are all very similar in belief, and the differences are difficult for anyone who is not Orthodox to understand. They all believe that God gave Moses the whole Torah at Mount Sinai. The "whole Torah" includes both the Written Torah (the first five books of the Bible) and the Oral Torah, an oral tradition interpreting and explaining the Written Torah.


Movements in 20th Century Israel

Approximately 5 million Jews live in Israel. Orthodoxy is the only movement that is formally and legally recognized in Israel. Until very recently, only Orthodox Jews could serve on religious councils. The Orthodox rabbinate in Israel controls matters of personal status, such as marriage, conversion, and divorce.

Movements of Judaism / Torah 101 / Mechon Mamre < click



All Jewish movements that exist today are derived from one movement, identified in the Christian scriptures as the Pharisees.

They all believe that God gave Moses the whole Torah at Mount Sinai.

The "whole Torah" includes both the Written Torah (the first five books of the Bible) and the Oral Torah, an oral tradition interpreting and explaining the Written Torah.



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Talmud

In addition to the written scriptures we have an "Oral Torah", a tradition explaining what the Five Books of Moses mean and how to interpret them and apply the Laws. Orthodox Jews believe God taught the Oral Torah to Moses, and he taught it to others, and others taught it to others down to the present day. This tradition was maintained in oral form only until about the 2d century C.E., when much of the oral law was compiled and written down in a document called the Mishnah.

Over the next few centuries, authoritative commentaries elaborating on the Mishnah and recording the rest of the oral law were written down in Israel and Babylon.

These additional commentaries are known as the Tosefta, Mekhileta, Sifra, Sifre, Jerusalem Talmud, and Babylonian Talmud. The last was completed at about 500 C.E.


Torah / Torah 101 / Mechon Mamre < click


how long will this poster be permitted to continue lying about everything Sacred?
 
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PeteWaldo

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For anyone lurking this forum that may be fence-sitting in regard to whether the return of Jews to Israel is God's will or not - is approved by God or not - and is fulfillment of prophecy, as recognized through those prophecies, by those great men of God of the Reformation centuries before that restoration ever began to take place, this thread should go a long way in helping you decide which side you want Jesus to find you on - should He return today, or should you die today.

Particularly in conjunction with the conversations in the two threads at the following links.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine.html

There are only two sides, and they could not be more clearly defined, than they have been here.
 
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AgapeSpiritEyes

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My comment, please help me in my question it is with "CAN" which is to inquire potential not kinetic which would be May meaning permission under each person’s will and choice. If you are asking whether the Jews had knowledge of two distinct persons YHWH and Logos distinctively? It seems in the time of the old covenant that unbeknown to the Jews both YHWH and LOGOS were accepting of the Jews that were responding to the covenant. Unbeknown and God’s will that they did not know the perfect unity of Father and Logos who they were in covenant with. The Jews under the question “can” were not given that potential to know two persons of God the Father and at the time Logos, so may is not even potential. So did they have interpersonal relationship with both not knowing it seem to me affirmative and acceptable that the shadow on earth was real in heaven by Logos who apprehended His Sonship to first the Jews and then to all others.
 
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wdeaton65

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For anyone lurking this forum that may be fence-sitting in regard to whether the return of Jews to Israel is God's will or not - is approved by God or not - and is fulfillment of prophecy, as recognized through those prophecies, by those great men of God of the Reformation centuries before that restoration ever began to take place, this thread should go a long way in helping you decide which side you want Jesus to find you on - should He return today, or should you die today.



Particularly in conjunction with the conversations in the two threads at the following links.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine.html

There are only two sides, and they could not be more clearly defined, than they have been here.


There is only two sides the only truth I have read from you. You are on the side of the many I will be killed before it is all over with for being on the side of the few the truth zionism is from hell. I have no books to sell or dvds or make a single dollar for what I teach. Why dont you get one of your rabbi friends on here you know those yamaka guys where is that in the Torah
by the way or doing magic you know kosher food RRRRRRRR wont find that either. I will stop now
 

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Unbeknown and God’s will that they did not know the perfect unity of Father and Logos who they were in covenant with. The Jews under the question “can” were not given that potential to know two persons of God the Father and at the time Logos, so may is not even potential.
Messianic Prophecies

“Messiah” means “Anointed One”


Biblical prophecy specialists Peter and Paul LaLonde have noted that:

The Old Testament includes about sixty different prophecies, with more than 300 references, of the coming of the Messiah. It was through the fulfillment of these prophecies that Israel was told she would be able to recognize the true Messiah when He came. The four gospels record several times when Jesus said that He was fulfilling a prophecy of the Old Testament. Luke 24:27 records, for example,

“And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.” And verse 44 notes, “And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and the prophets and the psalms, concerning me.” [Peter and Paul LaLonde, 301 Startling Proofs & Prophecies (Niagra Falls, Ontario, Canada: Prophecy Partners, Inc., 1996).]

Jesus Christ himself said, “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me” (John 5:46, NKJV). Likewise, Christ's disciples taught that He fulfilled Old Testament prophecy (e.g., Acts 3:18; 17:2-3; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4).



Partial list of prophecies about the Messiah

A prophet like unto Moses. This was prophecied by Moses, himself:

“The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.' And the LORD said to me: 'What they have spoken is good. 'I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him'.” (Deuteronomy 18:15-19, NKJV).

Like Moses, the Messiah would be a leader, a prophet, a lawgiver, a deliverer, a teacher, a priest, an anointed one, a mediator, a human and one of God's chosen people (a Jew) performing the role of intermediary between God and man—speaking the words of God—and like Moses, the Messiah would offer himself to die for the sins of the people. Both Moses and Jesus performed many miracles validating their message. As infants, both their lives were threatened by evil kings, and both were supernaturally protected from harm. Both spent their early years in Egypt. Both taught new truths from God. Both cured lepers (Num 12:10-15; Matt. 8:2-3) and confronted demonic powers. Both were initially doubted in their roles by their siblings. Moses lifted up the brazen serpent to heal all his people who had faith; Jesus was lifted up on the cross to heal all who would have faith in Him. Moses appointed 70 elders to rule Israel (Num. 11:16-17); Jesus appointed 70 disciples to teach the nations (Luke 10:1, 17). And there are many other parallels between the lives of Moses and Jesus.

The Messiah would be a descendant of Noah's son, Shem. Noah said, “Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant (Gen. 9:26-27). Chapter 10 goes on list descendants of Shem, noting that he was ancestor of Eber (Heber: Luke 3:35), the founder of the Hebrew race.

Noah associated Shem especially with the worship of Jehovah, recognizing the dominantly spiritual motivations of Shem and thus implying that God's promised Deliverer would ultimately come from Shem. The Semitic nations have included the Hebrews, Arabs, Assyrians, Persians, Syrians and other strongly religious-minded peoples.

…Shem was peculiarly His [God's] steward with respect to the propagation of God's will and plan for mankind, especially the transmission of His saving Word. (Henry M. Morris, The Defender's Bible)

More specifically, he would be a descendant of Shem named Abraham ( Genesis 22:18; 12; 17; 22). Fulfilled: See Christ's genealogy in Matthew 1.

More specifically, he would be a descendant of Abraham's son, Isaac, not Ishmael (Gen. 17; 21). Fulfilled: See Christ's genealogy in Matthew 1.

More specifically, he would be a descendant of Isaac's son, Jacob, not Esau (Gen. 28; 35:10-12; Num. 24:17). Fulfilled: See Christ's genealogy in Matthew 1.

More specifically, he would be a descendant of Judah, not of the other eleven brothers of Jacob. Fulfilled: See Christ's genealogy in Matthew 1.

More specifically, he would be a descendant of the family of Jesse in the tribe of Judah (Isaiah 11:1-5). Fulfilled: See Christ's genealogy in Matthew 1 and Luke 3:23-38.

More specificially, he would be of the house of David (2 Samuel 7:12-16; Jeremiah 23:5; Psalm 89:3-4). Fulfilled: See Christ's genealogy in Matthew 1; Luke 1:27, 32, 69. Note: Since the the Jewish genealogical records were destroyed in 70 A.D., along with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, it would not be possible for a Messiah imposter who was born later to prove his lineage back to David and thus fulfill this prophecy.

He will be born in a small city called Bethlehem, specifically the one formerly known as Ephratah (Micah 5:2). Fulfilled: Luke 2:4-20. Note: Christ's birth in Bethlehem was apparently not by the choice of Mary and Joseph; it was forced upon them by Caesar Augustus' taxation decree which required Joseph to leave his home in the city of Nazareth and return to his place of origin to pay the tax.

He will be born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14). Fulfilled: Matthew 1; Luke 1.

The Messiah would be the “seed of of a woman” come to destroy the work of the Devil. Not long after Creation, God prophecied to the serpent Satan, “And I will put enmity between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel” (Genesis 3:15). The implication was that Eve's descendant would undo the damage that Satan had caused.

The “seed of the woman” can only be an allusion to a future descendant of Eve who would have no human father. Biologically, a woman produces no seed, and except in this case Biblical usage always speaks only of the seed of men. This promised Seed would, therefore, have to be miraculously implanted in the womb. In this way, He would not inherit the sin nature which would disqualify every son of Adam from becoming a Savior from sin. This prophecy thus clearly anticipates the future virgin birth of Christ.

Satan will inflict a painful wound on the woman's Seed, but Christ in turn will inflict a mortal wound on the Serpent, crushing his head. This prophecy was fulfilled in the first instance at the cross, but will culminate when the triumphant Christ casts Satan into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).

This primeval prophecy made such a profound impression on Adam's descendants that it was incorporated, with varying degrees of distortion and embellishment, in all the legends, mythologies and astrologies of the ancients since they are filled with tales of mighty heroes engaged in life-and-death struggles with dragons and other monsters. Mankind, from the earliest ages, has recorded its hope that someday a Savior would come who would destroy the devil and reconcile man to God. (Henry M. Morris, The Defender's Bible)

In the New Testament, Christ's apostle John confirms that this was His Master's purpose, “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work” (1 John 3:8). (Also see: Hebrews 2:14; Revelation 20:10.)

He will be a priest after the order of Melchisedek (Melchisedec) (Psalm 110:4). Fulfilled: Hebrews 5:6

The scepter shall not pass from the tribe of Judah until the Messiah comes. In other words, He will come before Israel loses its right to judge her own people. The patriarch Jacob prophecied this:

The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. (Genesis 49:10)

As Dr. Henry M. Morris' The Defender's Bible explains:

This important prophecy has been strikingly fulfilled. Although Judah was neither Jacob's firstborn son nor the son who would produce the priestly tribe, he was the son through whom God would fulfill His promises to Israel and to the world. The leadership, according to Jacob, was to go to Judah, but this did not happen for over 600 years. Moses came from Levi, Joshua from Ephraim, Gideon from Manasseh, Samson from Dan, Samuel from Ephraim and Saul from Benjamin. But when David finally became king, Judah held the scepter and did not relinquish it until after Shiloh came. “Shiloh” is a name for the Messiah, probably related to the Hebrew word for “peace” (shalom) and meaning in effect, “the one who brings peace.”

According to the Jewish historian Josephus, the Sanhedrin of Israel lost the right to truly judge its own people when it lost the right to pass death penalties in 11 A.D. (Josephus, Antiquities, Book 17, Chapter 13). Jesus Christ was certainly born before 11 A.D.

He will come while the Temple of Jerusalem is standing ( Malachi 3:1; Psalm 118:26; Daniel 9:26; Zechariah 11:13; Haggai 2:7-9). Fulfilled: Matthew 21:12, etc. (Note: The Temple did not exist at certain periods in Jewish history, and it was finally destroyed in 70 A.D.)

He will perform many miracles (Isaiah 35:5-6). Fulfillment: See list of “Miracles Recorded in the Gospels”.

He will open the eyes of the blind (Isa. 29:18). Fulfillment: Matt 9:27-31; 12:22; 20:29; Mark 8:22-26; 10:46; Luke 11:14; 18:35; John 9:1-7.

He will speak in parables (Psalm 78:2). Fulfillment: Matthew 13:34, etc.

The Gentiles will believe in Him, while His own people (the Jews) will reject him ( Isaiah 8:14; 28:16; 49:6; 50:6; 60:3; Psalms 22:7-8; 118:22). Fulfillment: 1 Peter 2:7, etc.

A messenger (a man of the wilderness) will prepare the way for Him (Isa. 40:3; Malachi 3:1). See John the Baptist (Matthew 3:1-3; 11:10; John 1:23; Luke 1:17).

The exact day of His public revealment to Israel—and subsequent death.

The precise timing of Jesus' crucifixion was also given to the Jews when God revealed to the prophet Daniel (9:24) how the Jews could calculate the day of the revealing of the Messiah. Talking of a 490 year period, the prophet foresaw that it would begin “from the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem” (9:25). In the book of Nehemiah we learn that this command was given “in the month Nisan [on the Hebrew calendar], in the twentieth year of the king“ (2:1). The king was Artaxerxes Longimanus who ruled from 465 to 425 B.C. The prophet Daniel said that 483 years from that date, the Messiah would be revealed to Israel, but He would then ”be cut off, but not for himself” (9:26). This prophecy refers to the crucifixion when Jesus died, or was cut off, for the sins of the world.

483 years later, to the day, was Sunday, April 6, 32 A.D. On that day, which we commemorate as Palm Sunday, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey and revealed Himself as Israel's Messiah. He was killed four days later, thus fulfilling the prophecy that He would be revealed and then slain. [Peter and Paul LaLonde, 301 Startling Proofs & Prophecies (Niagra Falls, Ontario, Canada: Prophecy Partners, Inc., 1996).]

He will enter Jerusalem riding a donkey (the colt of an ass) (Zechariah 9:9). Fulfillment: Matt. 21:5; Luke 19:32-37.

He will be hated for no reason (Psalm 69:4). Fulfillment: John 15:25.

He will be betrayed (Psalm 41:9). Fulfillment: Matt. 27:3-10.

More specifically, He will be betrayed by a friend (Psalm 41:9). Fulfillment: Matt. 27:3-10; 26:47-48.

The price of his betrayal will be thirty pieces of silver (Zech. 11:12). Fulfillment: Matt. 27:3-10.

The betrayal money will be cast onto the floor (Zech. 11:13). Fulfillment: Matt. 27:5.

More specifically, it will be cast onto the floor of the Temple (Zech. 11:13). Fulfillment: Matt. 27:3-10.

The betrayal money will be used to buy a potter's field (Zech. 11:13). Fulfillment: Matt. 27:6-10.

He will not open his mouth to defend himself (Isaiah 53:7). Fulfillment: Matthew 27:12.

He will be beaten and spit upon (Isaiah 50:6). Fulfillment: Matthew 26:67; 27:26-30.

He will be “numbered with the transgressors” (Isaiah 53:12). Fulfillment: Jesus was crucified as a criminal in between two thieves (Mat 27:38).

He will be pierced (Zechariah 12:10). Fulfillment: John 19:34

His hands and feet will be pierced (Psalm 22:16; cf. Zechariah 12:10; Galatians 3:13).

Crucifixion foretold. Psalm 22 graphically prophecies the Messiah's manner of death. At the time the psalm was written (and long after), the penalty for blasphemy was stoning. However, at the time Jesus was condemned by the Sanhedrin, it no longer had the legal right to put people to death. Thus, the case was taken to the Roman governor Pontius Pilate who crucified him according to Roman custom (see: Crucifixion).

The Jewish Passover sacrifice and Jesus Christ's sacrificial death coincide exactly.

The dates on which Jesus was taken by the Roman authorities, and then slain, also coincided precisely with the Jewish Passover. Jesus became the Passover Lamb, “without blemish.” At the first Passover, described in Exodus 12, God instructed the Israelites to kill a lamb with no blemishes and to put its blood on their door posts. When the angel of death passed through Egypt where the Israelites were being held as slaves, it would pass by any house that had the blood of the a Passover lamb on its door posts. Jesus fulfilled Moses' prophecy of the Passover Lamb because it is through His blood that we can be saved from, or passed over by, death. [Peter and Paul LaLonde, 301 Startling Proofs & Prophecies (Niagra Falls, Ontario, Canada: Prophecy Partners, Inc., 1996).].

His bones will not be broken (Psalm 34:20; Exodus 12 states that the Passover lamb's bones are not to be broken.). Fulfillment: John 19:33.

They will divide his clothing and cast lots for them (Psalm 22:18). Fulfillment: John 19:23-24.

He will be given vinegar and gall to drink (Psalm 69:21). Fulfillment: Matthew 27:34, 48.

He will say: “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Psalm 22:1). Fulfillment: Matthew 27:46.

He will be buried with the rich (Isaiah 53:9). Fulfillment: Matthew 27. According to Henry Morris,

This passage [Isaiah 53:9] could also be read, “they planned His grave (to be) with the wicked, but it was with a rich man [Joseph of Arimathea] in His death.” (Henry M. Morris, The Defender's Bible)

He will not decay (Psalm 16:10). Fulfillment: Acts 2:31

He will be resurrected from the dead (Psalm 16:10). Fulfillment: Acts 2:31, etc. See: “Resurrection of Christ”.

He will ascend into heaven (Psalm 68:18). Fulfillment: Acts 1:9.

He will be seated at the right hand of God (Psalm 110:1). Fulfillment: Hebrews 1:3.

He will be the Son of God (Psa. 2:7). Fulfilled: Matthew 3:17, etc.

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what's all this THEY DIDN'T KNOW STUFF?
 

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There is only two sides the only truth I have read from you. You are on the side of the many I will be killed before it is all over with for being on the side of the few the truth zionism is from hell. I have no books to sell or dvds or make a single dollar for what I teach. Why dont you get one of your rabbi friends on here you know those yamaka guys where is that in the Torah
by the way or doing magic you know kosher food RRRRRRRR wont find that either. I will stop now
why doesn't he explain this:

[video=youtube;UzXRhk0xWbI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzXRhk0xWbI[/video]


the wailing wall ( a Roman Rock) is where a satanic ritual from Kabbalah (detailed in Zohar) involving the "divine presence" is nothing more than their g-d's feminine aspect or emanation called "shekinah" is tantrically 'worshipped".

what really goes on there, and what millions of fallen away christians and world leaders take part in is a creepy 'sexual' union between "shekinah" and "Ein Soph"...."Ein Soph" being the masculine portion of the kabbalist's g-d.

since jews collectively are GOD, you figure it out.

REFUTE ANY OF IT.
GO AHEAD.
 

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For anyone lurking this forum that may be fence-sitting in regard to whether the return of Jews to Israel is God's will or not - is approved by God or not - and is fulfillment of prophecy, as recognized through those prophecies, by those great men of God of the Reformation centuries before that restoration ever began to take place, this thread should go a long way in helping you decide which side you want Jesus to find you on - should He return today, or should you die today.

Particularly in conjunction with the conversations in the two threads at the following links.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine.html

There are only two sides, and they could not be more clearly defined, than they have been here.
Jesus will find me on HIS SIDE.
being faithful to Him.
not His enemies.

in the meantime, i'll continue with the only Name by which men (including jews) may be saved.

you carry on with your heresy and blasphemy and hate-mongering for the Clash of Civilizations = ZIONISM
 
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Messianic Prophecies

“Messiah” means “Anointed One”


Biblical prophecy specialists Peter and Paul LaLonde have noted that:

The Old Testament includes about sixty different prophecies, with more than 300 references, of the coming of the Messiah. It was through the fulfillment of these prophecies that Israel was told she would be able to recognize the true Messiah when He came. The four gospels record several times when Jesus said that He was fulfilling a prophecy of the Old Testament. Luke 24:27 records, for example,

“And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.” And verse 44 notes, “And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and the prophets and the psalms, concerning me.” [Peter and Paul LaLonde, 301 Startling Proofs & Prophecies (Niagra Falls, Ontario, Canada: Prophecy Partners, Inc., 1996).]

Jesus Christ himself said, “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me” (John 5:46, NKJV). Likewise, Christ's disciples taught that He fulfilled Old Testament prophecy (e.g., Acts 3:18; 17:2-3; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4).



Partial list of prophecies about the Messiah

A prophet like unto Moses. This was prophecied by Moses, himself:

“The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.' And the LORD said to me: 'What they have spoken is good. 'I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him'.” (Deuteronomy 18:15-19, NKJV).

Like Moses, the Messiah would be a leader, a prophet, a lawgiver, a deliverer, a teacher, a priest, an anointed one, a mediator, a human and one of God's chosen people (a Jew) performing the role of intermediary between God and man—speaking the words of God—and like Moses, the Messiah would offer himself to die for the sins of the people. Both Moses and Jesus performed many miracles validating their message. As infants, both their lives were threatened by evil kings, and both were supernaturally protected from harm. Both spent their early years in Egypt. Both taught new truths from God. Both cured lepers (Num 12:10-15; Matt. 8:2-3) and confronted demonic powers. Both were initially doubted in their roles by their siblings. Moses lifted up the brazen serpent to heal all his people who had faith; Jesus was lifted up on the cross to heal all who would have faith in Him. Moses appointed 70 elders to rule Israel (Num. 11:16-17); Jesus appointed 70 disciples to teach the nations (Luke 10:1, 17). And there are many other parallels between the lives of Moses and Jesus.

The Messiah would be a descendant of Noah's son, Shem. Noah said, “Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant (Gen. 9:26-27). Chapter 10 goes on list descendants of Shem, noting that he was ancestor of Eber (Heber: Luke 3:35), the founder of the Hebrew race.

Noah associated Shem especially with the worship of Jehovah, recognizing the dominantly spiritual motivations of Shem and thus implying that God's promised Deliverer would ultimately come from Shem. The Semitic nations have included the Hebrews, Arabs, Assyrians, Persians, Syrians and other strongly religious-minded peoples.

…Shem was peculiarly His [God's] steward with respect to the propagation of God's will and plan for mankind, especially the transmission of His saving Word. (Henry M. Morris, The Defender's Bible)

More specifically, he would be a descendant of Shem named Abraham ( Genesis 22:18; 12; 17; 22). Fulfilled: See Christ's genealogy in Matthew 1.

More specifically, he would be a descendant of Abraham's son, Isaac, not Ishmael (Gen. 17; 21). Fulfilled: See Christ's genealogy in Matthew 1.

More specifically, he would be a descendant of Isaac's son, Jacob, not Esau (Gen. 28; 35:10-12; Num. 24:17). Fulfilled: See Christ's genealogy in Matthew 1.

More specifically, he would be a descendant of Judah, not of the other eleven brothers of Jacob. Fulfilled: See Christ's genealogy in Matthew 1.

More specifically, he would be a descendant of the family of Jesse in the tribe of Judah (Isaiah 11:1-5). Fulfilled: See Christ's genealogy in Matthew 1 and Luke 3:23-38.

More specificially, he would be of the house of David (2 Samuel 7:12-16; Jeremiah 23:5; Psalm 89:3-4). Fulfilled: See Christ's genealogy in Matthew 1; Luke 1:27, 32, 69. Note: Since the the Jewish genealogical records were destroyed in 70 A.D., along with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, it would not be possible for a Messiah imposter who was born later to prove his lineage back to David and thus fulfill this prophecy.

He will be born in a small city called Bethlehem, specifically the one formerly known as Ephratah (Micah 5:2). Fulfilled: Luke 2:4-20. Note: Christ's birth in Bethlehem was apparently not by the choice of Mary and Joseph; it was forced upon them by Caesar Augustus' taxation decree which required Joseph to leave his home in the city of Nazareth and return to his place of origin to pay the tax.

He will be born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14). Fulfilled: Matthew 1; Luke 1.

The Messiah would be the “seed of of a woman” come to destroy the work of the Devil. Not long after Creation, God prophecied to the serpent Satan, “And I will put enmity between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel” (Genesis 3:15). The implication was that Eve's descendant would undo the damage that Satan had caused.

The “seed of the woman” can only be an allusion to a future descendant of Eve who would have no human father. Biologically, a woman produces no seed, and except in this case Biblical usage always speaks only of the seed of men. This promised Seed would, therefore, have to be miraculously implanted in the womb. In this way, He would not inherit the sin nature which would disqualify every son of Adam from becoming a Savior from sin. This prophecy thus clearly anticipates the future virgin birth of Christ.

Satan will inflict a painful wound on the woman's Seed, but Christ in turn will inflict a mortal wound on the Serpent, crushing his head. This prophecy was fulfilled in the first instance at the cross, but will culminate when the triumphant Christ casts Satan into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).

This primeval prophecy made such a profound impression on Adam's descendants that it was incorporated, with varying degrees of distortion and embellishment, in all the legends, mythologies and astrologies of the ancients since they are filled with tales of mighty heroes engaged in life-and-death struggles with dragons and other monsters. Mankind, from the earliest ages, has recorded its hope that someday a Savior would come who would destroy the devil and reconcile man to God. (Henry M. Morris, The Defender's Bible)

In the New Testament, Christ's apostle John confirms that this was His Master's purpose, “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work” (1 John 3:8). (Also see: Hebrews 2:14; Revelation 20:10.)

He will be a priest after the order of Melchisedek (Melchisedec) (Psalm 110:4). Fulfilled: Hebrews 5:6

The scepter shall not pass from the tribe of Judah until the Messiah comes. In other words, He will come before Israel loses its right to judge her own people. The patriarch Jacob prophecied this:

The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. (Genesis 49:10)

As Dr. Henry M. Morris' The Defender's Bible explains:

This important prophecy has been strikingly fulfilled. Although Judah was neither Jacob's firstborn son nor the son who would produce the priestly tribe, he was the son through whom God would fulfill His promises to Israel and to the world. The leadership, according to Jacob, was to go to Judah, but this did not happen for over 600 years. Moses came from Levi, Joshua from Ephraim, Gideon from Manasseh, Samson from Dan, Samuel from Ephraim and Saul from Benjamin. But when David finally became king, Judah held the scepter and did not relinquish it until after Shiloh came. “Shiloh” is a name for the Messiah, probably related to the Hebrew word for “peace” (shalom) and meaning in effect, “the one who brings peace.”

According to the Jewish historian Josephus, the Sanhedrin of Israel lost the right to truly judge its own people when it lost the right to pass death penalties in 11 A.D. (Josephus, Antiquities, Book 17, Chapter 13). Jesus Christ was certainly born before 11 A.D.

He will come while the Temple of Jerusalem is standing ( Malachi 3:1; Psalm 118:26; Daniel 9:26; Zechariah 11:13; Haggai 2:7-9). Fulfilled: Matthew 21:12, etc. (Note: The Temple did not exist at certain periods in Jewish history, and it was finally destroyed in 70 A.D.)

He will perform many miracles (Isaiah 35:5-6). Fulfillment: See list of “Miracles Recorded in the Gospels”.

He will open the eyes of the blind (Isa. 29:18). Fulfillment: Matt 9:27-31; 12:22; 20:29; Mark 8:22-26; 10:46; Luke 11:14; 18:35; John 9:1-7.

He will speak in parables (Psalm 78:2). Fulfillment: Matthew 13:34, etc.

The Gentiles will believe in Him, while His own people (the Jews) will reject him ( Isaiah 8:14; 28:16; 49:6; 50:6; 60:3; Psalms 22:7-8; 118:22). Fulfillment: 1 Peter 2:7, etc.

A messenger (a man of the wilderness) will prepare the way for Him (Isa. 40:3; Malachi 3:1). See John the Baptist (Matthew 3:1-3; 11:10; John 1:23; Luke 1:17).

The exact day of His public revealment to Israel—and subsequent death.

The precise timing of Jesus' crucifixion was also given to the Jews when God revealed to the prophet Daniel (9:24) how the Jews could calculate the day of the revealing of the Messiah. Talking of a 490 year period, the prophet foresaw that it would begin “from the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem” (9:25). In the book of Nehemiah we learn that this command was given “in the month Nisan [on the Hebrew calendar], in the twentieth year of the king“ (2:1). The king was Artaxerxes Longimanus who ruled from 465 to 425 B.C. The prophet Daniel said that 483 years from that date, the Messiah would be revealed to Israel, but He would then ”be cut off, but not for himself” (9:26). This prophecy refers to the crucifixion when Jesus died, or was cut off, for the sins of the world.

483 years later, to the day, was Sunday, April 6, 32 A.D. On that day, which we commemorate as Palm Sunday, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey and revealed Himself as Israel's Messiah. He was killed four days later, thus fulfilling the prophecy that He would be revealed and then slain. [Peter and Paul LaLonde, 301 Startling Proofs & Prophecies (Niagra Falls, Ontario, Canada: Prophecy Partners, Inc., 1996).]

He will enter Jerusalem riding a donkey (the colt of an ass) (Zechariah 9:9). Fulfillment: Matt. 21:5; Luke 19:32-37.

He will be hated for no reason (Psalm 69:4). Fulfillment: John 15:25.

He will be betrayed (Psalm 41:9). Fulfillment: Matt. 27:3-10.

More specifically, He will be betrayed by a friend (Psalm 41:9). Fulfillment: Matt. 27:3-10; 26:47-48.

The price of his betrayal will be thirty pieces of silver (Zech. 11:12). Fulfillment: Matt. 27:3-10.

The betrayal money will be cast onto the floor (Zech. 11:13). Fulfillment: Matt. 27:5.

More specifically, it will be cast onto the floor of the Temple (Zech. 11:13). Fulfillment: Matt. 27:3-10.

The betrayal money will be used to buy a potter's field (Zech. 11:13). Fulfillment: Matt. 27:6-10.

He will not open his mouth to defend himself (Isaiah 53:7). Fulfillment: Matthew 27:12.

He will be beaten and spit upon (Isaiah 50:6). Fulfillment: Matthew 26:67; 27:26-30.

He will be “numbered with the transgressors” (Isaiah 53:12). Fulfillment: Jesus was crucified as a criminal in between two thieves (Mat 27:38).

He will be pierced (Zechariah 12:10). Fulfillment: John 19:34

His hands and feet will be pierced (Psalm 22:16; cf. Zechariah 12:10; Galatians 3:13).

Crucifixion foretold. Psalm 22 graphically prophecies the Messiah's manner of death. At the time the psalm was written (and long after), the penalty for blasphemy was stoning. However, at the time Jesus was condemned by the Sanhedrin, it no longer had the legal right to put people to death. Thus, the case was taken to the Roman governor Pontius Pilate who crucified him according to Roman custom (see: Crucifixion).

The Jewish Passover sacrifice and Jesus Christ's sacrificial death coincide exactly.

The dates on which Jesus was taken by the Roman authorities, and then slain, also coincided precisely with the Jewish Passover. Jesus became the Passover Lamb, “without blemish.” At the first Passover, described in Exodus 12, God instructed the Israelites to kill a lamb with no blemishes and to put its blood on their door posts. When the angel of death passed through Egypt where the Israelites were being held as slaves, it would pass by any house that had the blood of the a Passover lamb on its door posts. Jesus fulfilled Moses' prophecy of the Passover Lamb because it is through His blood that we can be saved from, or passed over by, death. [Peter and Paul LaLonde, 301 Startling Proofs & Prophecies (Niagra Falls, Ontario, Canada: Prophecy Partners, Inc., 1996).].

His bones will not be broken (Psalm 34:20; Exodus 12 states that the Passover lamb's bones are not to be broken.). Fulfillment: John 19:33.

They will divide his clothing and cast lots for them (Psalm 22:18). Fulfillment: John 19:23-24.

He will be given vinegar and gall to drink (Psalm 69:21). Fulfillment: Matthew 27:34, 48.

He will say: “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Psalm 22:1). Fulfillment: Matthew 27:46.

He will be buried with the rich (Isaiah 53:9). Fulfillment: Matthew 27. According to Henry Morris,

This passage [Isaiah 53:9] could also be read, “they planned His grave (to be) with the wicked, but it was with a rich man [Joseph of Arimathea] in His death.” (Henry M. Morris, The Defender's Bible)

He will not decay (Psalm 16:10). Fulfillment: Acts 2:31

He will be resurrected from the dead (Psalm 16:10). Fulfillment: Acts 2:31, etc. See: “Resurrection of Christ”.

He will ascend into heaven (Psalm 68:18). Fulfillment: Acts 1:9.

He will be seated at the right hand of God (Psalm 110:1). Fulfillment: Hebrews 1:3.

He will be the Son of God (Psa. 2:7). Fulfilled: Matthew 3:17, etc.

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what's all this THEY DIDN'T KNOW STUFF?
My comment was of the time b.c and yes they had head knowledge (cognative knowledge is never my reference my use of knowledge is intimate experience their connection with messiah (Logos) being literally fully God, apparent they did not make that connection when he arrived.
 

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My comment was of the time b.c and yes they had head knowledge (cognative knowledge is never my reference my use of knowledge is intimate experience their connection with messiah (Logos) being literally fully God, apparent they did not make that connection when he arrived.
and...your conclusion is what.
 

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Can Faithful Jews Who Worship YHWH, Know the Son of God - Even if They Don't Know

For those of us with the love of God within us let hold fast, though we be mocked for not being 'great' enough to know the truth, let us continue to share what we have received through Grace.

The above quote does not need our answer for the answer is given below.


Within our Hearts we hold to this:

John 14

Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
 
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There is only two sides the only truth I have read from you. You are on the side of the many ........
At least you seem to understand why we are advised to categorize the two sides.

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Perhaps if I categorized the breakdown by sides. My side:

The majority of those in the following Israeli groups are pro-Zionism:

Israeli Christians
Israeli non-Muslim and secular Arabs
Israeli Messianic Jews
Israeli Torah Jews
Israeli secular Jews

Among non-Israeli groups that proclaim themselves to be Christian, the majority of those in the following groups are pro-Zionism:

Tens of millions of denominational and non-denominational Evangelical Christians, including a near unanimity of futurists, and individuals like Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye
The Christadelphian cult

Among non-Israeli groups, that are not Christian, the majority of whose members are pro-Zionism:

These groups might be hard to categorize. For example I have chatted with at least one English atheist that understands what is going on, from having investigated Islam after Muslims took over his neighborhood, who does not want his heirs to be subjugated to prostrating themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen", in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad.
We can perhaps suffice it to say that any group in favor of the continuation of freedom, liberty and right to self-determination and self-rule provided by the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State, to the benefit of Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims (where Muslims enjoy more freedom than they do in any Muslim controlled country on earth), would fit here.

........ I will be killed before it is all over with for being on the side of the few the truth zionism is from hell.
What you suggest is "the few", or small remnant on your side, includes about 1/4 of mankind in Islam alone. Your side:

The majority of those in the following Israeli group are anti-Zionism:

Israeli Muslims

Among non-Israeli groups that proclaim themselves to be Christian, the majority of those in the following groups are anti-Zionism:

Jeremiah Wright and his flock (even endorsing the Iran backed "March on Jerusalem")
Arnold Murray and his Serpent Seed cult
David Duke and the KKK
Ted Pike (who seems to have suffered the consequences) and his followers
The "Christian Identity" movement
The liberal left wing of the church some of which also ordain women and homosexuals (these are a little difficult to nail down because they are as reluctant to admit to anti-Zionism, as some folks in this forum were, to answer to only request I made in the last paragraph in the OP of this thread, (though I did appreciate that you boldly proclaimed which side you are on, wdeaton65))
Perhaps those groups that discussed divestment of Israeli assets could give us a clue:
Disinvestment from Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Presbyterian Church (USA)
World Council of Churches
United Church of Christ
United Methodist Church
With the ECUSA suggesting "“a negotiated two-state solution” and “positive investment” rather than divestment from Israel." (in other words likely financing Islamic terrorism, since that is the so-called "Palestinian's" largest (and perhaps nearly only?) industry in which one can invest).

Among non-Israeli groups, that are not Christian, the majority of whose members are anti-Zionism:

A near unanimity of Muslim antichrists around the world
Nazis
Louis Farrakan and the Nation of Islam
Communist Soviets
George Soros and his Center for American Progress
The U.N.
White supremacists
Skinheads
Anti-semites of all stripes
Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee
Some small Jewish cults

Your side may feel like a remnant to you, but it looks more like the world to a guy like me, in the kingdom of Jesus Christ.

I have no books to sell or dvds or make a single dollar for what I teach.
Nor do I. My web pages are prefaced with: "This entity does not sell anything nor do we accept donations."

However that in no way changes that both you and I are judged according to a higher standard for being teachers:

James 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

Why dont you get one of your rabbi friends on here you know those yamaka guys where is that in the Torah by the way or doing magic you know kosher food RRRRRRRR wont find that either. I will stop now
Based on the construction of your parting shot that might be wise.
 
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Galatians 3

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.