62Threads on ohe subject in two days: Regardless of your position THIS IS OBNOXIOUS

[dcontroversal]

First of all this was posted on march the 5th which is not a few weeks ago, bit rather a few months ago.....and you accuse me of saying your faith is cheap and that you have cheapened the law by your belief.....NOW I will POST THE WHOLE CONVERSATION

Re: The Law as a School MASTER

Originally Posted by JaumeJ

Once more I am pursuaded to post about the lawwritten on stone as opposed to written on the table of our hearts.

When the law is written on stone it leaves no room for justice, mercy and faithfulness.

However when it is written on the table of our hearts, in our inward parts, because it is flesh we are able to demonstrate justice, mercy and faithfulness by the conversion to the new person we have become. We are no longer under the law, that is the curse of the law, but the laws under the auspices of these three fundamental guides has become viable for those who walk in faith and in the Holy Spirit.

Onece again, we do not take away from the commandments and laws on moral behavior just because we live in grace, God forbid. Otherwise we our be licentious in not thinking we have a need to not steal, lie, covet disrespect our parents, worship another god, not that there is one. We would not observe the law to be kind to our enemies, and so many more obvious ly good laws on moral behavior.

If your reference is to me being stuck in a rut, I am afraid your assessment of my walk in Jesus Christ Yeshua, has been stamped into stone, you could not be farther from the reality of my walk with HIm. He is constantly letting me know to turn this way or go that way, and though the faith I have now is the same as when He gave it to me, I change constantly according wo what I have been given to learn. If you reference is to GandolfTheWhite, this too is most like ly a ver bad assessment.

Anyone who continues to seek, is learning and willing to learn. I believe all who are heree in the forum in spirit and truth are doing exactly thiis. May God bless you with all discernment and understanding, amen.



Brother your error is to lessen, cheapen and then place the words of Paul under the words of JESUS....JESUS INSPIRED PAUL, taught him BY DIRECT REVELATION and the WORDS of PAUL are the very words of JESUS.....To cheapen the words of PAUL and place less of an emphasis upon the words of PAUL will in turn close your mind to truths that ARE TO BE RECIEVED and INCORPORATED into your belief system.....

BY the above action and by default you yourself limit yourself to a fuller knowledge of the truth! EVEN if you don't see it and or are willing to admit it! ​

My words in bold...where exactly did I call your faith cheap or say that you cheapen the LAW?......NO WHERE! The word cheapen was aimed at your devaluation of the words of PAUL.......which are the words of JESUS

 

[just-me]

Understandably, Marc got 15 'likes' for this post.
(Gee, it take me about 20 pearls of wisdom to get that many).

But it does show how unclear, contradictory and ambiguous "scripture" is.

Sincere, genuine, well-meaning Christians read the same stuff and come up with umpteen different "interpretations" - all claiming "the Truth" and that there is no conflict.

It isn't the scriptures that are unclear, contradictory and ambiguous, it is the many who interpret them in error. Further, it might be that many think salvation is complete/finalized after being born again, but that is not the case, for being born again is the beginning of a new life very different than the past. Many view scriptures in reverse in my opinion. It's not God's fault at all. The scripture clearly defines the human capability. I quote;

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." 1 Corinthians 13:12

There's only ONE who has all the right answers, and it ain't me.

 

[Matthew4Jesus]

11,580 posts, a 'Rep Power' (whatever that means) of 32 .....
you'd reckon he could spell "controversial"

Not very nice is it?

We may not all agree here, and often discussion may even get heated but we all love each other. Ideas are not equal the people proposing them are, let's always be compassionate and loving and remember that we are talking to fellow human beings with feelings. Personal insults and attacks are not right, come on, let's not get nasty and keep it nice yeah?

 

[crossnote]

It is obvious you do not read what you comment to. I have posted on this in this thread at least three times. Again. If you do not like what the brothers in Christ post on, turn the page, but to not pretend to come into the forum dictating what shoulld or shold not be discussed, the is totalitarianism, censorship. Now tell me I have not addressed it this time either.

All you say is that people have the right to post wherever they want. True, but the issue is why must they start 57 more threads in 2 days when 4 or 5 is sufficient? Mind answering that question?

Jaume?
And also asking questions is not totalitarianism. Totalitarianism is what tries to squelch questions.

 

[Dan58]

Some folks just think that if your not resting on Saturdays, your hell bound. While I appreciate their enthusiastic warnings, I agree that a few dozen threads is quite sufficient.. Especially when several duplicate threads exist simultaneously on the subject, its a bit overkill. We could use a little rest from the sabbath

 

[just-me]

Some folks just think that if your not resting on Saturdays, your hell bound. While I appreciate their enthusiastic warnings, I agree that a few dozen threads is quite sufficient.. Especially when several duplicate threads exist simultaneously on the subject, its a bit overkill. We could use a little rest from the sabbath

That is the time to walk through the door that has been opened to you and begin to agree and edify one another. Inside the door is the scripture that pertains to both Sabbath keepers and non-Sabbath keepers.

Hebrews 4:1-11
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let us labour ..........(take note) therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

As I Believe, working on the Sabbath (whatever day that would be) is for the Lord Jesus Christ to decide because He is Lord of the Sabbath. This might get me into trouble, but it isn't man that chooses the day the Sabbath needs to be observed. There are scriptures in the Bible that denote Sabbaths as plural. That means there is more than one. This is for good reason, and that is to rest in the Lord, and cease from out own works.

 

[atwhatcost]

I really would like to add here,

the whole thing was a real exercise for many of us, and I believe
we should acknowledge and be pleased with others and ourselves for
not being ugly or going over-board while we witnessed such manic and dis-ruptive behavior.

for many of us, it truly was a heart-breaker, but also it did seem that it
was like an vomiting-out and prayerfully cleaning-out of something that
was rotting inside and causing much spiritual and physical distress...

prayer was needed and we know that it did truly help.

The reason it bothered me, at the time, was this other person was having a bad day, which very few saw, because her problem was quickly pushed to Page 2.

 

[atwhatcost]

Understandably, Marc got 15 'likes' for this post.
(Gee, it take me about 20 pearls of wisdom to get that many).

But it does show how unclear, contradictory and ambiguous "scripture" is.

Sincere, genuine, well-meaning Christians read the same stuff and come up with umpteen different "interpretations" - all claiming "the Truth" and that there is no conflict.

Maybe that's the problem. You're working in pearls and Marc's post is pure gold! lol (Just kidding. )

 

[atwhatcost]

A ridiculous post for sure....it is one thing to post a single thread...it is another thing to flood the forum with the same posts with a cut and paste stance that can be said ONCE without clogging up the entire forum for a day!

In all fairness, it wasn't like all the people who posted their threads on the Sabbath decided May 12, 2015 was the day to post it. Look at the dates when the threads started. Some are years old.

I see it as people going for that topic here and there, (enough that, boy, is it repetitive, but I probably only think that because the subject doesn't interest me), and then one person took the time and effort to find them all again and add something to them.

I think part of the blame lies on us (us as in me and others, not us as in you and I) newbies, who don't notice that little clue under the name of the post that marks how old it is. So, if everyone had noticed that, then so many still wouldn't be on the first page... Either that or a lot of people are seriously into Sabbath stuff.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I din't care whether or not your position agrees with mine!

62 threads directly or indirectly about the Sabbath in 2 days is 61 threads too many!

Actually, 62. Who cares? I worship on Sunday. Someone else on Saturday. So what?

Not like there haven't been threads since Christian forums were first introduced to the Internet however many years ago on the exact same subject, and the first forum online probably is still discussing it to no avail.

 

[atwhatcost]

Maybe we can all report all second or multiple threads on an open subject as spam.

Doesn't that make new post a weekly thing instead of moment by moment? lol

Yesterday there were three posts going about being more accepting/loving/edifying, but each came from a different direction.

Today there was a post about seeding and another one about tare seeds. I thought the two came from one another, until I read them. Both were coming from completely different angles and talking about different things entirely.

And then there are people like me -- both long winded and a slow typer. By the time, I click submit, two others could have done something similar, but I didn't know.

 

[atwhatcost]

A simple request for some who have turned this thread much longer than need be, (and I truly enjoyed the humor in it too):
Note what side of the bed you got up on today, and tomorrow? Get up on the other side! Too many seem to have gotten up out of the wrong side, so I hope tomorrow is a better day for you.

Either that, or just remember when today is done, tomorrow doesn't have to be the same way. (Neither does the next hour.)

And this from someone who started the day on a good note, had a minor meltdown a couple of hours ago, (What? My meltdowns don't always happen online. Honest. lol), and now life is better, except for seeing grumpy. Grumpy is contagious. Just sayin'

 

[kaylagrl]

It is obvious you do not read what you comment to. I have posted on this in this thread at least three times. Again. If you do not like what the brothers in Christ post on, turn the page, but to not pretend to come into the forum dictating what shoulld or shold not be discussed, the is totalitarianism, censorship. Now tell me I have not addressed it this time either.

I think too many threads on one subject is spamming is it not? Is it not against CC rules? If you want to keep you thread on the front page so to speak you can continue commenting and discussing. But I think you may get banned for too many threads on one subject. It gets confusing for people commenting.

 

[sparkman]

In regards to this situation, I got 5 demerits for "advertising" a few days ago.

I did not advertise my church. I am part of an Evangelical Free fellowship. I am not a member of Global Communion International. I belonged to their previous church organization, Worldwide Church of God, and that is where I became a Saturday Sabbathkeeper and where I was eventually liberated from it. They have excellent materials to address the whole Sabbath and legalism issue as they studied the issues themselves well and found their doctrines to be false and unbiblical.

I won't be posting in the forums in the future. I should have known better than to come in here to start with. I know how Pharisees act when their Sabbath doctrine is questioned. I reacted in the same manner.

In addition, I am Reformed, so my position is that God will deal with anyone Himself if they are His. So, I don't have to convince anyone. I would challenge you to ask yourself if your gospel is really about Jesus Christ, and Him crucified, or if it's about Sabbath and lawkeeping. In many cases, the gospel of Sabbathkeepers is actually anti-gospel.

By the way, I was not a common user of the forums so I didn't realize that my posts would have the effect that they did.

Regards,

Robert