examples of speaking in tongues - need verification and explanations, please

[zone]

Please take note of the specific scope of this thread. t.y.


THIS THREAD IS FOR POSTING REAL EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE TEACHING ABOUT/AND/OR EXERCISING THIS PHENOMENON KNOWN IN SOME DENOMINATIONS AS TONGUES.

I AM SINCERELY SEEKING INPUT ONLY FROM THOSE WHO DO EXPERIENCE AND PRACTICE TONGUES.

COULD YOU PLEASE POST A RESPONSE TO ANY OR EACH VIDEO, EXPLAINING WHY THE TEACHING/PRACTICE SHOWN IN THE VIDEO IS EITHER RIGHT OR WRONG.

This is a sincere request, and only people who actually speak, or have in the past spoken in tongues are qualified to explain what is happening, and to validate or refute what is seen. if you practiced this at one time but no longer do, please participate.

everyone else is invited to post examples or ask questions.

this is a fact finding effort, and is of critical importance in many ways, not the least of which is the division this practice, or the rejection of it, has caused. i do not know if it can be resolved, but practical and civil Q&A is reasonable to request.



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example # 1


[video=youtube;vB06DaOGmW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB06DaOGmW8[/video]

Prayer Language, Praying in Tongues, How satan stops Christians from receiving the prayer language

19:13

Published on Mar 19, 2012
Praying in Tognues. satan has had a very successful campaign in preventing Christians from getting the Gift of Tongues. There are so many lies and misunderstanding in the church about this gift. In short, satan allows the Church to talk about it, study it, debate about it, have nice doctrinal discussions about it, as long as they just NEVER get it. What good is a soldier that knows all about guns, but doesn't have one. Not using this Gift has crippled the Church, preventing many believers from maturing on to the Higher Gifts. If you're a Christian who doesn't have the Prayer Language yet, Get IT! Stop making excuses of why you don't need it, or how you failed to get it before. JUST GET IT! and if you already have the gift?Use It, Stir It Up, It doesn't do any good if it lies dormant.

~

"not using this gift has crippled the church preventing many believers from maturing to the higher gifts"

 

[zone]

at 17:30 in the above video, the narrator says there is a religious demon named Stop-Tongue.

the demon Stop-Tongue floods the person on the brink of receiving tongues with every religious sounding argument for not carrying through.

has anyone heard of this demon?

 

[notconformed2theworld]

I'm not sure about when he said a backslider can still use the gift. I think its irrevocable only if you stay in God. If you never leave God then you have no reason to lose the gifts. I really don't know bout that. If a person backslides then they become unclean and God can't dwell in an unclean vessel. So I think when u leave God, you leave the gifts anointing and protection he provides. I believe a backslider can come back and receive a renewed mind and receive the holy spirit once more. Just my opinion. I could be wrong. I'm just saying I never seen that happen. I know the holy spirit left king Saul.

 

[zone]

I'm not sure about when he said a backslider can still use the gift. I think its irrevocable only if you stay in God. If you never leave God then you have no reason to lose the gifts. I really don't know bout that. If a person backslides then they become unclean and God can't dwell in an unclean vessel. So I think when u leave God, you leave the gifts anointing and protection he provides. I believe a backslider can come back and receive a renewed mind and receive the holy spirit once more. Just my opinion. I could be wrong. I'm just saying I never seen that happen. I know the holy spirit left king Saul.

thank you very much for answering.
i did wonder about that part also.

i'll post more soon.
i'm hoping to have examples of authentic tongues speaking verified by those who also practice it.
zone

 

[piper27]

Hi Zone,
I did actually listen to the entire video, and to be fair, I think I would need a pen and paper to discuss every point the narrator spoke of.
Many points were quite concerning; the system of beliefs that was shared are opinions only. (my opinion)
The entire preamble was scattered, and full of conjecture. (things like praying for an entire hour in order to receive a gift??)
If a gift is a gift, its free. We don't need to beg.

As a starting point, I will also share my belief that gifts are for right now, for us today - all of them.

To give a brief history (I am not sure if I will qualify as someone you are looking for to answer questions, but I can only give you my humblest opinion), I do use tongues as a prayer language, and have for several years.

The final 5 minutes was fair; tongues are actual languages. They are not gibberish as some believe.
Tongues (in my experience) has deepened a relationship with God and I, it has been useful for revelation, relationship, and worship.

According to the video, the presenter spoke length of time praying in tongues (vs. native tongue) etc -- this is his opinion again. it has nothing to do with length of time; it has everything to do with unhindered connection with God. (edifying my spirit)

As for your second post, I have never heard of anything like that. Sometimes I wonder if Christian circles personify demonic influences for their benefit; demons are demons. Of course, it would be their job to hinder our relationship with the Lord, they cannot take our salvation, so they end up confusing our beliefs. (or as John 10:10 says: to kill, steal and destroy)

Again, coming from the background of believing that the gifts are for right now, for all believers, if satan can use whatever confusion to keep believers from believing and walking in their full authority, the fullness of the gifts, demons are serving their purposes.
Just hadn't heard one named. Kinda sounds ......dare I say it, silly.

 

[zone]

[video=youtube;hKqyiVuDMeE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKqyiVuDMeE[/video]

Part 4 of 4 Speaking In Tongues: How To Do It, guidance, step by step instructions

5:29:

"Why does it seem so strange? Because whereas you're used to controlling what you say in your mind, now the Lord Jesus is giving you utterance via the Holy Spirit inside you and it's by-passing your brain....it's by-passing your understanding. it's just going to your speech center so you can speak it out. that's all it is"

is this a common teaching?
is it accurate?

this man is quite specific in his instruction.

8:20

"Speak that one syllable. God's not going to give you a sentence, He doesn't need to. He just needs to give you one syllable and as soon as you speak it He'll give you a second and as soon as you speak that He'll give you a third."

8:30

he then proceeds to demonstrate his own tongues-speaking.




is this authentic?

please tell me how i can know.

 

[zone]

Hi Zone,
I did actually listen to the entire video, and to be fair, I think I would need a pen and paper to discuss every point the narrator spoke of.
Many points were quite concerning; the system of beliefs that was shared are opinions only. (my opinion)
The entire preamble was scattered, and full of conjecture. (things like praying for an entire hour in order to receive a gift??)
If a gift is a gift, its free. We don't need to beg.

As a starting point, I will also share my belief that gifts are for right now, for us today - all of them.

To give a brief history (I am not sure if I will qualify as someone you are looking for to answer questions, but I can only give you my humblest opinion), I do use tongues as a prayer language, and have for several years.

The final 5 minutes was fair; tongues are actual languages. They are not gibberish as some believe.
Tongues (in my experience) has deepened a relationship with God and I, it has been useful for revelation, relationship, and worship.

According to the video, the presenter spoke length of time praying in tongues (vs. native tongue) etc -- this is his opinion again. it has nothing to do with length of time; it has everything to do with unhindered connection with God. (edifying my spirit)

As for your second post, I have never heard of anything like that. Sometimes I wonder if Christian circles personify demonic influences for their benefit; demons are demons. Of course, it would be their job to hinder our relationship with the Lord, they cannot take our salvation, so they end up confusing our beliefs. (or as John 10:10 says: to kill, steal and destroy)

Again, coming from the background of believing that the gifts are for right now, for all believers, if satan can use whatever confusion to keep believers from believing and walking in their full authority, the fullness of the gifts, demons are serving their purposes.
Just hadn't heard one named. Kinda sounds ......dare I say it, silly.

thanks piper.
that's helpful.

you said here:

"The final 5 minutes was fair; tongues are actual languages. They are not gibberish as some believe.
Tongues (in my experience) has deepened a relationship with God and I, it has been useful for revelation, relationship, and worship."

i saw the reference to the sister understood by an Inuit - is that what you mean?
as in actual languages?

do you mean to say that when you pray or speak in tongues it is an actual known human language you didn't learn?
because that would be the same as the miracle at Pentecost.

which language(s) do you speak?

ty piper.
zone

(ps - ya i thought the Demon Tongue-Stop was a bit hokey).

 

[tono77]

For me is very disrespectful , no one can teach or to lead you to speak in tongues in the flesh, you don't learn to speak in tongues, is a gift that God gives, to those who He chooses to, these videos seems to be teaching to speak in tongues using your mind and flesh, this is a fallacy, I can tell for sure. And Is disrecpetful even if you are a believer or no in tongues , nobody suppose to teach you how, or what to tell, these are deceptive videos, be careful to follow them.

 

[zone]

For me is very disrespectful , no one can teach or to lead you to speak in tongues in the flesh, you don't learn to speak in tongues, is a gift that God gives, to those who He chooses to, these videos seems to be teaching to speak in tongues using your mind and flesh, this is a fallacy, I can tell for sure. And Is disrecpetful even if you are a believer or no in tongues , nobody suppose to teach you how, or what to tell, these are deceptive videos, be careful to follow them.

okay. so you believe the persons were deceivers...or just acting in ignorance?
would that mean their samples of tongue-speaking was not genuine?

as for not being taught, if you belong to a congregation which practices this, and tells you to expect or pray for it, and you see others do it, and people talk about it - are you not being taught what it looks and sounds like and presumably what it is for?

i have seen videos where ppl pray for another to receive tongues, and they are all praying in tongues. there seems to be a lot of pressure to do so.

thanks for your thoughts so far.

 

[piper27]

[video=youtube;hKqyiVuDMeE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKqyiVuDMeE[/video]

Part 4 of 4 Speaking In Tongues: How To Do It, guidance, step by step instructions

5:29:

"Why does it seem so strange? Because whereas you're used to controlling what you say in your mind, now the Lord Jesus is giving you utterance via the Holy Spirit inside you and it's by-passing your brain....it's by-passing your understanding. it's just going to your speech center so you can speak it out. that's all it is"

is this a common teaching?
is it accurate?

this man is quite specific in his instruction.

8:20

"Speak that one syllable. God's not going to give you a sentence, He doesn't need to. He just needs to give you one syllable and as soon as you speak it He'll give you a second and as soon as you speak that He'll give you a third."

8:30

he then proceeds to demonstrate his own tongues-speaking.




is this authentic?

please tell me how i can know.

He is authentic.
And to answer your previous question about actual human language, the answer is yes.
I have a whole other language that I spent no time learning. To be fair, I don't know what language it is. One our our aborginal people here where I live recognized some words of an old language that is being revitalized.
(I was only praying quietly to myself, and she heard me)

Interesting that in the year 2000 (jubilee), some west coast elders (aborginal people) journeyed to the wailing wall in Jerusalem (?) where they beat their drums and sang songs passed down from their ancestors.

When they did this, a group of 3 rabbi's came and asked them who taught them that language? They had been singing the prayer from an ancient rabbinical hebrew prayer.

Of course, these are the stories told to us by those that were there. I have no evidence other than their testimony.

My friend googled her tongue (she was an unbeliever (of tongues) up until this point!!!) one night during a prayer meeting she did similiar to what the gentleman suggested in this video - 7am the next morning she telephoned me to tell me that when she googled (spelled out the best of her ability, her tongue, the hit translate) the result was 'a mandering chinese hymn called song of the spirit'. Again, this is her testimony.

Thats all.

 

[piper27]

i have seen videos where ppl pray for another to receive tongues, and they are all praying in tongues. there seems to be a lot of pressure to do so.

thanks for your thoughts so far.

I really dislike this practice; its way too much pressure. Its unfortunate that this is still done today. Just like all the tidbits in the first video -- there IS a lot of misinformation out there; it sure isn't meant to divide a relationship among believers.
Thank you for your questions, its a breath of fresh air to have conversation.

 

[JaumeJ]

Miracles, healings, tongues, being transported physically by the Holy Spirit, knowledge, and whatever other gifts from our Father have been written down once in the Word to be revealed by study with the tutelage of the Holy Spirit. Since the Word has been given to mankind, nothing new is needed to document or record any of the gifts.

I have witnessed many feigned demonstrations of gifts in many manners. As for there being any today, I am only qualified to attest to my own experience, not documented by anything other than the Holy Spirit. I confess I pray in tongues, never loud for others to hear and I do not believe it is necessary for salvation. I do, however, obtain great joy and a more personal relationship with our Father because of what I consider to be a gift of the Holy Spirit.

As for documenting any of the gifts since the Word was given by, I believe, Yahweh, to mankind, this could very easily be taken as seeking a sign because the manifestations are usually for those who already believe, except for the type of tongues that was given at Pentecost when the Apostles spoke in tongues that people of all languages present understood.

It is not important for everyone to have identical gifts of the Holy Spirit. It is a gift to have faith, it is a gift to pray, and all other services to and for the faith are just as valid as others. He also serves who waits on the Lord, and that also is a gift. You and I, and all who love Yeshua, Jesus, are very special to Yahweh, God. We are not to be overly concerned if there are shams within the ranks of the faithful. There always have been, and this must be to prove the faithful.

None of us should be overly concerned about those who are fakes if we have faith. The gifts are gifts to those who will use them best, and the Father knows what you need, and what I need. His selection is impeccable. Yahweh, God bless all in Yeshua, amen.

Please take note of the specific scope of this thread. t.y.


THIS THREAD IS FOR POSTING REAL EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE TEACHING ABOUT/AND/OR EXERCISING THIS PHENOMENON KNOWN IN SOME DENOMINATIONS AS TONGUES.

I AM SINCERELY SEEKING INPUT ONLY FROM THOSE WHO DO EXPERIENCE AND PRACTICE TONGUES.

COULD YOU PLEASE POST A RESPONSE TO ANY OR EACH VIDEO, EXPLAINING WHY THE TEACHING/PRACTICE SHOWN IN THE VIDEO IS EITHER RIGHT OR WRONG.

This is a sincere request, and only people who actually speak, or have in the past spoken in tongues are qualified to explain what is happening, and to validate or refute what is seen. if you practiced this at one time but no longer do, please participate.

everyone else is invited to post examples or ask questions.

this is a fact finding effort, and is of critical importance in many ways, not the least of which is the division this practice, or the rejection of it, has caused. i do not know if it can be resolved, but practical and civil Q&A is reasonable to request.



..................

example # 1


[video=youtube;vB06DaOGmW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB06DaOGmW8[/video]

Prayer Language, Praying in Tongues, How satan stops Christians from receiving the prayer language

19:13

Published on Mar 19, 2012
Praying in Tognues. satan has had a very successful campaign in preventing Christians from getting the Gift of Tongues. There are so many lies and misunderstanding in the church about this gift. In short, satan allows the Church to talk about it, study it, debate about it, have nice doctrinal discussions about it, as long as they just NEVER get it. What good is a soldier that knows all about guns, but doesn't have one. Not using this Gift has crippled the Church, preventing many believers from maturing on to the Higher Gifts. If you're a Christian who doesn't have the Prayer Language yet, Get IT! Stop making excuses of why you don't need it, or how you failed to get it before. JUST GET IT! and if you already have the gift?Use It, Stir It Up, It doesn't do any good if it lies dormant.

~

"not using this gift has crippled the church preventing many believers from maturing to the higher gifts"

 

[notconformed2theworld]

For me is very disrespectful , no one can teach or to lead you to speak in tongues in the flesh, you don't learn to speak in tongues, is a gift that God gives, to those who He chooses to, these videos seems to be teaching to speak in tongues using your mind and flesh, this is a fallacy, I can tell for sure. And Is disrecpetful even if you are a believer or no in tongues , nobody suppose to teach you how, or what to tell, these are deceptive videos, be careful to follow them.

I agree no one can teach or train you how to speak in tongues...the man did say that God gives you the one syllable or word, but I believe he gives us more than just one word depending on how quickly you begin to speak.He gives words or multiple syllables (the utterance)and he keeps giving it to us until we speak or until we reject it. Normally i get about 2 or 3 syllables before i speak.
the utterance in your mind should turn into a vocal action. But we do have the power to speak it or not. just start speaking from off the utterance. Once you open your mouth and begin to speak what u hear in your mind then the rest just comes...and like he said...it flows like a regular language. But as far as you practicing, that's just you practicing. I guess what he was trying to say is if you hear the utterance and try to speak , but it comes out weird, just keep speaking Cuz like he said the devil will come and say its not real...well if it wasn't real then why is the devil fighting so hard to say its not real? This video was hit n miss...

 

[4enlightment]

Speaking in tongues is the ability to communicate with other in their native language. It isn't a secret physical language that only the heavenly host speaks. Spirits are a spiritual entity that doesn't need vocal cords to make sounds in order to communicate. Its says in the scriptures that Jesus had knew their thoughts and does thoughts has vocal cords? Some who has seen apparitions had said that the apparition didn't move their lips while they were speaking to them; and which I believe that they come into your thoughts like how we dream and able to communicate with the visions in the dreams.

Matthew 9:4Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, “Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts?

Matthew 12:25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.

Matthew 15:19For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Matthew 15:8“‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.


God doesn't listen to someone that lies, but the heart speaks the truth about a person. And everytime I see someone claim that they are speaking in this false tongue, this come to my mind.

<strong>[video=youtube_share;suafkk2vWNI]http://youtu.be/suafkk2vWNI[/video]

As phoney as this cartoon.

 

[kenisyes]

Now we know his opinion. His tongues are authentic. I only agree with maybe 30% of his teaching. Devil tongues are real, so are human imitations. Not all get tongues. But note the Eskimo tongues; this is something tongue-advocates are challenged on. It is speaking a little known real human language, just like in Acts. I think his method of teaching is actually dangerous, as is elevating human misunderstanding to the level of a named demon.

Here's the three examples I posted earlier from my wife's group's music tapes http://kenbehrens.com/tongues.mp3 in case you missed it in the other thread. I'll try to get back later and post a comprehesive teaching as I believe.

 

[notuptome]

Would a missionary couple from Puerto Rico qualify. They sang a hymn in Spanish.
He preached in English his native language.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Abiding]

very respectful thread zone from good intentions.

 

[4enlightment]

Would a missionary couple from Puerto Rico qualify. They sang a hymn in Spanish.
He preached in English his native language.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Aslong as the non-english speaking congregation understanded him, but it would had been worthless to do all that speaking and nobody didn't understood; for it will be like an audience full of Nuns at a Marilyn Mason concert because they will not understand the lyrics to his songs.

 

[notuptome]

Aslong as the non-english speaking congregation understanded him, but it would had been worthless to do all that speaking and nobody didn't understood; for it will be like an audience full of Nuns at a Marilyn Mason concert because they will not understand the lyrics to his songs.

Point of clarification English speaking congregation so the only thing not understood was the hymn but it was one familiar to most so everyone kinda' got the gist of it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[4enlightment]

Point of clarification English speaking congregation so the only thing not understood was the hymn but it was one familiar to most so everyone kinda' got the gist of it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

A hymm can be memorized, but if he had spontaneously understanding the lyrics in the hymm without any help, and or if he never had heard this hymm before, and then it was from above.