Young Earth vs. Old Earth, Does it matter?

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brad21

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I think evolution is silly trees don't evole
 
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Elysian

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Yes it does matter,our entire salvation hinges on a young earth.With an old earth billions of creatures would have had to live and die before mankind,when GOD finished creation he said ''it is good'' ,would GOD say death is good? ,the old earth makes GOD the author of death,instead of sin,no need for Jesus in an old earth.
 

MarcR

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In this excerpt from my commentary hyperlinks are disabled. they are functional in the original document.


OLD TESTAMENT
Genesis

Genesis 1

{Return to: Table of Contents }

1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
1 At first, God created the heavens and the earth.

Most translations translate ’B’reeshiyt’ as “In the beginning”; but, while Hebrew has a definite article “Ha(w)”, it is not used here. Accuracy demands “In beginning” or “At first”.
The Hebrew word ‘bara’, used to signify creation from nothing, occurs in the first verse and is not seen again until the fifth day when God created sea creatures and birds
For classification purposes, science divides living things into Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and species. While the Bible is not specific about how broad “kind” is, when it says that God created life “after its kind”, it is certain that common usage does not allow an interpretation less narrow than Family. This precludes dogs having evolved from anything but dogs; but allows all dogs (foxes, wolves, coyotes, dingoes, hyenas, etc.) to have come from the same ancestral parents. If you are inclined to interpret ‘Kind’ more narrowly than ‘Family’; I have no quarrel with you. There is nothing in the original language to preclude a narrower interpretation, and I believe that in areas where the Bible is not specific, any interpretation which does not depart from the idiom and common usage of the original language is permissible. If we elect to believe something that is inaccurate and which is not essential to salvation then I believe the Lord will correct us in His own time. (“Howbeit, when He the Spirit Of Truth is come, He will guide you into all truth....”) ( Jn 16:13) If you elect to interpret ‘Kind’ less narrowly than ‘Family’, you break with idiom and common usage and I believe that failure to treat the Bible as a higher standard of authority puts one’s salvation in question. It is not my role to determine where you will spend eternity; but I am told to be concerned about your salvation when you put your own thoughts above Biblical teaching.

We know from Jn 1:1-3 and Col 1:13-16, that God performed this creative work in the person of Jesus (Yeshua).
See Jn 1:3. {Return to: Ge 1:10, Lk 1:2, Jn 1:1, Jn 1:3 }
2 And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
2 Sometime later, the earth was a desolation and a waste and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

While there are no errors in the KJV translation of this verse, my alternate reading is equally free from errors and is set forth as another possible reading NOT as a correction.
In any case, it is noteworthy that the waters are already present.
{Return to: Is 24:10, Is 34:11, Jer 4:23 }

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
3 Sometime later God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

(See note 1:2)
There is nothing to indicate whether God is creating light for the first time or allowing light from a previously created sun to penetrate the atmospheric mists. In any case, the light already had the cycles of evening and morning which are commonly attributed to the sun’s relatively constant position with respect to the earth’s rotation around its polar axis. (See verse 5) {Return to: Jer 1:10 }

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God distinguished the light from the darkness.

(See note 1:2) To account for the different treatment of ‘and’ here, I see no reason to apply the grammatical notion of subsequence to events within a single creative day or between days that have morning and evening (the 24 hour variety).

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

{Return to: Lk 22:7 } 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
6 And God said, Let there be a horizon (or an expanse) in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Adding more order to the chaos, God places a horizon between the seas and the atmospheric mists.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
7 And God made manifest the horizon, and divided the waters which were under the horizon from the waters which were above the horizon: and it was so.

The Hebrew word translated “God made” (yaahs  ) signifies ‘made’ in the broadest sense and includes such ideas as: called forth, made manifest, allowed to appear or observed. Here again there is nothing in the language to help us to determine whether made is intended (original creation) or made manifest is intended (re-creation). We have a clue in that it seems strange that God would create light apart from the sun when he planned to have a sun. If in this verse, He called forth or allowed to appear a sun which was previously created but hidden and was the source of the light in verse 3; it would be much less problematic. I believe that this is re-creation after a cataclysmic upheaval engendered by the fall of Satan.
(See Is 14:12-15 ) {Return to: Gen 1:16 , Ge 7:11 }

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

{Return to: Lk 22:7 }

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear and it was so.

Here, with no changes in the translation, we see that the dry land is already present and only needs to be uncovered. This seems to me far more consistent with re-creation than original creation.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

As in English, the Hebrew text uses the same word ‘haweretz’ for the planet Earth.
(Ge 1:1) and the dry land (Ge 1:10)

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Here God says nothing about creating or making plants at this time. Rather He calls upon the earth to bring them forth. Furthermore the antecedent of the pronoun itself is the earth NOT grass, tree, or herb which are presented collectively and can not be represented by a singular pronoun. If this seed is already present in the dry land when it appears, then it seems reasonable that it is a vestige of a previous creation.
Whether you accept the ‘gap theory’ or cling to a more traditional view of creation; it is still the same God who made it all.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

{Return to: Lk 22:7 }

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide The day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

(See note 1:7)

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

{Return to: Jer 31:35 }

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

{Return to: Lk 22:7 }

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Whether Gen 1:3-31 refers to original creation or re-creation; the use of ‘bara’ here signifies that sea life and birds were created from nothing on the fifth day of this creative epoch.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

See: Lk 1:25. {Return to: Jer 16:2 }

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

made Here the verb used is ‘asah’ just as in verse seven yet the use of ‘bara’ in verse 27 against ‘asah’ in this verse suggests that creation is intended here also. In fairness, one might question why we treat ‘asah’ differently here than in verse seven. The fact is that there is linguistically no compelling reason to do so; but there is no compelling reason not to. It comes down to a matter of preference. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

(See note 1:25) Let us consider in what way we are in the image of God. Certainly if I look in the mirror and say that I see God, that would be blasphemy or at least a grave misunderstanding. So the reference must not be to the physical image of God. What characteristics does man have in common with God? Intellect, will, and emotions are the characteristics we share with God. God reasons (Is 1:18), God decides
(2 Chr 25:16), God loves (Jn 3:16), becomes angry (Ex 4:14), and grieves (Ep 4:30). I believe that at creation, man’s intellect, will and emotions were aligned with God’s. The fall, when Adam ate the forbidden fruit, disrupted the alignment; and the indwelling Holy Spirit (when we follow his leadership) restores it.
{Return to: Ge 5:1, Ge 5:3}

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Nothing has been said to this point about the creation of woman; so we have here a clear indication that Chapter Two is not a second creation narrative: but rather a more detailed account of the sixth day of this narrative. See note: Genesis 2:4.
{Return to: Ro 1:20, Ro 2:12 }

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

While there is certainly a commandment here to procreate, it does not necessarily follow that there is a mandate against contraception after the world was populated. I am not sure whether the Bible gives a specific command on this issue; and until one is convinced that it does, he is free to follow his own conscience. {Return to Is 4:1 }

(I have elected to use he or his to signify unspecified gender (following the old convention) This is not intended as a sleight against women; and I hope it will not be taken as such. I am generally quite sympathetic toward and in agreement with most of the goals of the women’s movement over the past 75 years; but, I am persuaded that the English language was more beautiful before we became overly concerned with political correctness.) 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

In 17th century English, it was common for meat to signify food of any sort. The same word was also used to signify animal flesh to be eaten (as it is used today). The only way to distinguish between the two usages is context, and context is not always clear. In such cases it becomes a matter of preference.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

There is a good case here for supposing that God originally intended us all to be vegetarians; and we are still at liberty to follow that lifestyle; but 1Tim 4:1-3 clearly warns against imposing any such restriction on another person. {Return to: Ge 9:3}

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

I am aware that both Merrill F. Unger (Unger’s Bible Dictionary) and the McClintock and Strong Encyclopedia cite a similar gap theory. In any case I have come to the above ‘Gap Theory’ on my own. While I am aware of Unger’s, and McClintock and Strong’s citations, I have not relied on them and to the best of my knowledge my treatment of the subject is original.
 
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In this excerpt from my commentary hyperlinks are disabled. they are functional in the original document.


OLD TESTAMENT
Genesis

Genesis 1

{Return to: Table of Contents }

1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
1 At first, God created the heavens and the earth.

Most translations translate ’B’reeshiyt’ as “In the beginning”; but, while Hebrew has a definite article “Ha(w)”, it is not used here. Accuracy demands “In beginning” or “At first”.
The Hebrew word ‘bara’, used to signify creation from nothing, occurs in the first verse and is not seen again until the fifth day when God created sea creatures and birds
For classification purposes, science divides living things into Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and species. While the Bible is not specific about how broad “kind” is, when it says that God created life “after its kind”, it is certain that common usage does not allow an interpretation less narrow than Family. This precludes dogs having evolved from anything but dogs; but allows all dogs (foxes, wolves, coyotes, dingoes, hyenas, etc.) to have come from the same ancestral parents. If you are inclined to interpret ‘Kind’ more narrowly than ‘Family’; I have no quarrel with you. There is nothing in the original language to preclude a narrower interpretation, and I believe that in areas where the Bible is not specific, any interpretation which does not depart from the idiom and common usage of the original language is permissible. If we elect to believe something that is inaccurate and which is not essential to salvation then I believe the Lord will correct us in His own time. (“Howbeit, when He the Spirit Of Truth is come, He will guide you into all truth....”) ( Jn 16:13) If you elect to interpret ‘Kind’ less narrowly than ‘Family’, you break with idiom and common usage and I believe that failure to treat the Bible as a higher standard of authority puts one’s salvation in question. It is not my role to determine where you will spend eternity; but I am told to be concerned about your salvation when you put your own thoughts above Biblical teaching.

We know from Jn 1:1-3 and Col 1:13-16, that God performed this creative work in the person of Jesus (Yeshua).
See Jn 1:3. {Return to: Ge 1:10, Lk 1:2, Jn 1:1, Jn 1:3 }
2 And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
2 Sometime later, the earth was a desolation and a waste and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

While there are no errors in the KJV translation of this verse, my alternate reading is equally free from errors and is set forth as another possible reading NOT as a correction.
In any case, it is noteworthy that the waters are already present.
{Return to: Is 24:10, Is 34:11, Jer 4:23 }

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
3 Sometime later God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

(See note 1:2)
There is nothing to indicate whether God is creating light for the first time or allowing light from a previously created sun to penetrate the atmospheric mists. In any case, the light already had the cycles of evening and morning which are commonly attributed to the sun’s relatively constant position with respect to the earth’s rotation around its polar axis. (See verse 5) {Return to: Jer 1:10 }

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God distinguished the light from the darkness.

(See note 1:2) To account for the different treatment of ‘and’ here, I see no reason to apply the grammatical notion of subsequence to events within a single creative day or between days that have morning and evening (the 24 hour variety).

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

{Return to: Lk 22:7 } 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
6 And God said, Let there be a horizon (or an expanse) in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Adding more order to the chaos, God places a horizon between the seas and the atmospheric mists.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
7 And God made manifest the horizon, and divided the waters which were under the horizon from the waters which were above the horizon: and it was so.

The Hebrew word translated “God made” (yaahs  ) signifies ‘made’ in the broadest sense and includes such ideas as: called forth, made manifest, allowed to appear or observed. Here again there is nothing in the language to help us to determine whether made is intended (original creation) or made manifest is intended (re-creation). We have a clue in that it seems strange that God would create light apart from the sun when he planned to have a sun. If in this verse, He called forth or allowed to appear a sun which was previously created but hidden and was the source of the light in verse 3; it would be much less problematic. I believe that this is re-creation after a cataclysmic upheaval engendered by the fall of Satan.
(See Is 14:12-15 ) {Return to: Gen 1:16 , Ge 7:11 }

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

{Return to: Lk 22:7 }

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear and it was so.

Here, with no changes in the translation, we see that the dry land is already present and only needs to be uncovered. This seems to me far more consistent with re-creation than original creation.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

As in English, the Hebrew text uses the same word ‘haweretz’ for the planet Earth.
(Ge 1:1) and the dry land (Ge 1:10)

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Here God says nothing about creating or making plants at this time. Rather He calls upon the earth to bring them forth. Furthermore the antecedent of the pronoun itself is the earth NOT grass, tree, or herb which are presented collectively and can not be represented by a singular pronoun. If this seed is already present in the dry land when it appears, then it seems reasonable that it is a vestige of a previous creation.
Whether you accept the ‘gap theory’ or cling to a more traditional view of creation; it is still the same God who made it all.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

{Return to: Lk 22:7 }

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide The day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

(See note 1:7)

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

{Return to: Jer 31:35 }

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

{Return to: Lk 22:7 }

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Whether Gen 1:3-31 refers to original creation or re-creation; the use of ‘bara’ here signifies that sea life and birds were created from nothing on the fifth day of this creative epoch.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

See: Lk 1:25. {Return to: Jer 16:2 }

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

made Here the verb used is ‘asah’ just as in verse seven yet the use of ‘bara’ in verse 27 against ‘asah’ in this verse suggests that creation is intended here also. In fairness, one might question why we treat ‘asah’ differently here than in verse seven. The fact is that there is linguistically no compelling reason to do so; but there is no compelling reason not to. It comes down to a matter of preference. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

(See note 1:25) Let us consider in what way we are in the image of God. Certainly if I look in the mirror and say that I see God, that would be blasphemy or at least a grave misunderstanding. So the reference must not be to the physical image of God. What characteristics does man have in common with God? Intellect, will, and emotions are the characteristics we share with God. God reasons (Is 1:18), God decides
(2 Chr 25:16), God loves (Jn 3:16), becomes angry (Ex 4:14), and grieves (Ep 4:30). I believe that at creation, man’s intellect, will and emotions were aligned with God’s. The fall, when Adam ate the forbidden fruit, disrupted the alignment; and the indwelling Holy Spirit (when we follow his leadership) restores it.
{Return to: Ge 5:1, Ge 5:3}

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Nothing has been said to this point about the creation of woman; so we have here a clear indication that Chapter Two is not a second creation narrative: but rather a more detailed account of the sixth day of this narrative. See note: Genesis 2:4.
{Return to: Ro 1:20, Ro 2:12 }

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

While there is certainly a commandment here to procreate, it does not necessarily follow that there is a mandate against contraception after the world was populated. I am not sure whether the Bible gives a specific command on this issue; and until one is convinced that it does, he is free to follow his own conscience. {Return to Is 4:1 }

(I have elected to use he or his to signify unspecified gender (following the old convention) This is not intended as a sleight against women; and I hope it will not be taken as such. I am generally quite sympathetic toward and in agreement with most of the goals of the women’s movement over the past 75 years; but, I am persuaded that the English language was more beautiful before we became overly concerned with political correctness.) 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

In 17th century English, it was common for meat to signify food of any sort. The same word was also used to signify animal flesh to be eaten (as it is used today). The only way to distinguish between the two usages is context, and context is not always clear. In such cases it becomes a matter of preference.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

There is a good case here for supposing that God originally intended us all to be vegetarians; and we are still at liberty to follow that lifestyle; but 1Tim 4:1-3 clearly warns against imposing any such restriction on another person. {Return to: Ge 9:3}

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

I am aware that both Merrill F. Unger (Unger’s Bible Dictionary) and the McClintock and Strong Encyclopedia cite a similar gap theory. In any case I have come to the above ‘Gap Theory’ on my own. While I am aware of Unger’s, and McClintock and Strong’s citations, I have not relied on them and to the best of my knowledge my treatment of the subject is original.
I can't believe I read the whole thing.

Actually, I didn't.

Could you please summarize your main points in 25 words or less?

And then refer to your book as support.

If your 25 works make any sense, I might read the rest.
 
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Nobody is going to hell for believing the earth is older than what the bible tells us it is,not specifically anyway.But I think if one denies the simple statement GOD made about the earth being made in six days and his time line in the bible then it is`certain that their faith will eventually struggle and wane with the rest of GODS word. But more seriously to doubt GODS word is to call him a liar.
 
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Nobody is going to hell for believing the earth is older than what the bible tells us it is,not specifically anyway.But I think if one denies the simple statement GOD made about the earth being made in six days and his time line in the bible then it is`certain that their faith will eventually struggle and wane with the rest of GODS word. But more seriously to doubt GODS word is to call him a liar.
Wow, ignorance abounds.
 

MarcR

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I can't believe I read the whole thing.

Actually, I didn't.

Could you please summarize your main points in 25 words or less?

And then refer to your book as support.

If your 25 works make any sense, I might read the rest.
Jack,

The OP and following posts raised the question whether sound exegesis and sound hermanutics can support an Old Earth world view. My intent is to show that it can.
 
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Jack,

The OP and following posts raised the question whether sound exegesis and sound hermanutics can support an Old Earth world view. My intent is to show that it can.
Based upon your exegesis and hermeneutics et al, what are your answers to these questions:

1. How old is the earth?

2. How long have humans been on this earth?

3. Was there a global flood 4,000 to 5,000 years ago? Or even within the past 10,000 years?

4. Did dinosaurs coexist with humans?
 

MarcR

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Based upon your exegesis and hermeneutics et al, what are your answers to these questions:

1. How old is the earth?

2. How long have humans been on this earth?

3. Was there a global flood 4,000 to 5,000 years ago? Or even within the past 10,000 years?


4. Did dinosaurs coexist with humans?



1. How old is the earth? If Genesis chapter1 in fact does describe 6 literal days of re-creation after a cataclysmic upheaval; then Scripture does not address the question; but the re-created Earth is somewhat less than 6,000 years old.

2. How long have humans been on this earth? Somewhat less than 6,000 years.


3. Was there a global flood 4,000 to 5,000 years ago? Or even within the past 10,000 years? Yes! Definitely!



4. Did dinosaurs coexist with humans?[/QUOTE] My study does not address this. They could (but do not need to) belong to the previous order of creation.
 
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John says to the brethren in 1 John 2:20 that they have an anointing from the Holy one to know all things.
Jesus says to the disciples in John 16:13 that when the Spirit of Truth comes they will be guided into all truth.

So being a true Spirit filled believer will in time lead a person to have a correct Theology on all matters of the faith. Yes, can a believer be saved and temporarily have a wrong understanding on certain passsages or topics that do not pertain to Soteriology (or salvation)? Yes. But in time, a true believer will have a correct knowledge of God's Word. The six day creation is a basic teaching of Scripture in my opinion. If one is not getting that teaching correct, then chances are there are other areas in their study of God's Word that are more important that they are ignoring (Like not loving others, denying the Trinity, or denying Jesus is God, believing in a sin and still be saved doctrine, or believing in a works based climbing ladder to reach God, etc.). Granted, believing in a six day creation is not a test to see whether or not they are of God or not, though. There are many who are not of God who believe in a six day creation, too. The real test is that they confess that Christ (the Eternal Word) has come down into the flesh. The real test is by looking at the fruit within their life. Is it good fruit or bad fruit? How do they treat other people and or other believers?

For if I have all knowledge and not love.... it profits me nothing.
 
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Anyways, just in case anyone was wondering, I believe in a Young Earth or that is approximately 6,000 years old. This is based on the light of what Scripture and Science says today. But is this the most important truth to teach? No. Should I make a ministry on Young Earth Creationism? No. That is not what the Bible is about. The Bible is about Jesus Christ and His redemption of mankind. That should be the focus and the gospel that we preach.
 
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Anyways, just in case anyone was wondering, I believe in a Young Earth or that is approximately 6,000 years old. This is based on the light of what Scripture and Science says today. But is this the most important truth to teach? No. Should I make a ministry on Young Earth Creationism? No. That is not what the Bible is about. The Bible is about Jesus Christ and His redemption of mankind. That should be the focus and the gospel that we preach.

By being a YEC you are inadvertently preventing seekers from knowing the Truth of Jesus Christ....as many will no doubt think that a 6K year old earth is not only laughable but that Christianity must be as well.
 

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By being a YEC you are inadvertently preventing seekers from knowing the Truth of Jesus Christ....as many will no doubt think that a 6K year old earth is not only laughable but that Christianity must be as well.
I'll have to disagree with this one.

Regardless of your position on YEC, or anything else...
Christianity will ALWAYS be laughable to the lost.

1Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;


No matter WHAT you say, about ANYTHING,
the cross is still FOOLISHNESS to the lost.

Trying to impress "seekers" by being COOL or CLEVER -
that won't get anybody saved.
Only the gospel gets people saved,
and as soon as you mention the cross... you're no longer cool.
 
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I'll have to disagree with this one.

Regardless of your position on YEC, or anything else...
Christianity will ALWAYS be laughable to the lost.

1Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;


No matter WHAT you say, about ANYTHING,
the cross is still FOOLISHNESS to the lost.

Trying to impress "seekers" by being COOL or CLEVER -
that won't get anybody saved.
Only the gospel gets people saved,
and as soon as you mention the cross... you're no longer cool.

Seekers looking into Christianity will see instant polarization on such a simple matter as the age of the Universe....thus, they will never make it to the cross to begin with...
 
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God spoke the universe into existence. Turned water into wine. Parted the Red Sea. The Lord Jesus Christ holds all things together by the Word of His power. God is a miracle worker. His creating everything in six days as Genesis states is just how God has always operated. By way of miracles. Jesus did miracles. Are they going to be offended by that, too? So no. I am not buying how the unproven theory of Evolution (Which is of the world) has to be crammed into the Bible. God and His Word are in direct opposition to the ways of this world.
 
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Seekers looking into Christianity will see instant polarization on such a simple matter as the age of the Universe....thus, they will never make it to the cross to begin with...
That doesn't make any sense. Most people who have accepted Christ do not even know about Young Earth Creationism vs. Old Earth Creationism. Besides, even if they did know about such a topic, I highly doubt they would be deterred in accepting Christ because God does miracles. Christ dying for the sins of the entire world and His resurrection were miracles.
 
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God spoke the universe into existence. Turned water into wine. Parted the Red Sea. The Lord Jesus Christ holds all things together by the Word of His power. God is a miracle worker. His creating everything in six days as Genesis states is just how God has always operated. By way of miracles. Jesus did miracles. Are they going to be offended by that, too? So no. I am not buying how the unproven theory of Evolution (Which is of the world) has to be crammed into the Bible. God and His Word are in direct opposition to the ways of this world.

That's contradictory.

God opposes His creation?!
 
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That doesn't make any sense. Most people who have accepted Christ do not even know about Young Earth Creationism vs. Old Earth Creationism. Besides, even if they did know about such a topic, I highly doubt they would be deterred in accepting Christ because God does miracles. Christ dying for the sins of the entire world and His resurrection were miracles.
First the physical....then the spiritual...