Young Earth vs. Old Earth, Does it matter?

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RachelBibleStudent

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JesusChica1991 said:
That's not true at all. The Jewish day was only counted from sun up until sun down. Darkness happened then the next day began. The 24-hour day was an aspect of the Greek calendar which was not established until WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY later. You cannot hold God to man's standards of time when God created time. What is time to God?
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you are mistaken...the sabbath and all other jewish days were counted from sunset to sunset...that is twenty-four hours...
 
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danschance

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RachelBibleStudent said:
you are mistaken...the sabbath and all other jewish days were counted from sunset to sunset...that is twenty-four hours...
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You might be wrong on that.

Shabbat is observed from a few minutes before sunset on Friday evening until the appearance of three stars in the sky on Saturday night.
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What this topic does is make people 'moderate' christians without realizing it. Accept enough explanations that don't align with scripture on the premis it doesn't directly affect salvation, makes it that much easier to accept such an explanation when it does.
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
if the seventh day never ended...then observing the sabbath would have made no sense...
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Even the NT says that we are still in the seventh day.




the seventh day was observed as a twenty-four hour sabbath by the ancient israelites...meaning the seventh day in genesis 2 was a twenty-four hour day just like all the others...
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Even Gen 2.4 states that all the previous 'days' are one 'day'.

Clearly, the Hebrew term Yaum is flexible in meaning...
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
you are mistaken...the sabbath and all other jewish days were counted from sunset to sunset...that is twenty-four hours...
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By this reasoning, then when each of the six days' is terminated by the statement...'and there was evening and there was morning'...this can only mean a 12hr period...not a 24 hr period.
 
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danschance

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Tethered said:
What this topic does is make people 'moderate' christians without realizing it. Accept enough explanations that don't align with scripture on the premis it doesn't directly affect salvation, makes it that much easier to accept such an explanation when it does.
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What does that mean?
 
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danschance said:
What does that mean?
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Old earth doesn't align with scripture. The more beliefs you carry that don't align with scripture, then the more you reinforcing that scripture has less validity. -Simply a different way of wording JimmyDiggs's post.

Of course, since i'm not christian, feel free to question my motives.
 
superdave5221

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JesusChica1991 said:
A day is as a thousand years; a thousand years is as a day.
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Does that mean that Jonah was in the belly of the fish for 3,000 years?

You see, the only place we have trouble with the word day is in Genesis 1-3. Perhaps we should ask ourselves why.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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danschance said:
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You might be wrong on that.
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that is a sunset to sunset observance with an extra 'hedge around the law' to avoid accidental transgression...
 
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megaman125

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Tethered said:
Old earth doesn't align with scripture. The more beliefs you carry that don't align with scripture, then the more you reinforcing that scripture has less validity. -Simply a different way of wording JimmyDiggs's post.

Of course, since i'm not christian, feel free to question my motives.
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Wait, you're not a Christian? Are you one of those messianic jews that always refer to themselves as "not a Christian but rather a Messianic Jew?"

Tethered said:
What this topic does is make people 'moderate' christians without realizing it. Accept enough explanations that don't align with scripture on the premis it doesn't directly affect salvation, makes it that much easier to accept such an explanation when it does.
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Regardless, this is one of the wisest posts in this topic.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Bowman said:
Even the NT says that we are still in the seventh day.






Even Gen 2.4 states that all the previous 'days' are one 'day'.

Clearly, the Hebrew term Yaum is flexible in meaning...
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this is just sloppy exegesis...

hebrews 4 is talking about resting in christ...and actually the author of hebrews bases his argument on the fact that the seventh day -ended-...that is why it says God 'again fixes a certain day' to enter into God's rest...

and in genesis 2:4 'in the day' is an idiomatic saying...it is a -completely- different usage from when days are assigned numbers as in 'first day' and 'second day' and so on... you don't number days if they are figurative constructs...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Bowman said:
By this reasoning, then when each of the six days' is terminated by the statement...'and there was evening and there was morning'...this can only mean a 12hr period...not a 24 hr period.
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this is also sloppy exegesis...the statement you cite -does- refers to a twenty-four hour period...

the first day began with the creation of light...a light period or 'day' ensued that ended with an evening...when the dark period or 'night' began...and that dark period ended with a morning...

so in this saying we have both the light period or day and the dark period or night...an entire twenty-four hour day...
 
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the 24 hour day is a Greek concept which was not followed until waaaaaaaaaaaaaay after Creation...It is not a Jewish concept so therefore it is silly to think they would have observed a 24 hour day.
 
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JesusChica1991 said:
the 24 hour day is a Greek concept which was not followed until waaaaaaaaaaaaaay after Creation...It is not a Jewish concept so therefore it is silly to think they would have observed a 24 hour day.
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The flood continued forty days on the earth
Genesis 7:17

So then, did the flood continue for 40 days, 40,000 years, or some other nonsensical amount of time you'd like to throw in there? And this is from the same book of the Bible where you don't trust the meaning of the word day in chapters 1-3. Do you trust the meaning of the word day in chapter 7? If not, why should we follow you in your distrust of the Bible?

This is why I can't accept an old earth theory from a biblical perspective. It just makes absolutely no sense.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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megaman125 said:
The flood continued forty days on the earth
Genesis 7:17

So then, did the flood continue for 40 days, 40,000 years, or some other nonsensical amount of time you'd like to throw in there? And this is from the same book of the Bible where you don't trust the meaning of the word day in chapters 1-3. Do you trust the meaning of the word day in chapter 7? If not, why should we follow you in your distrust of the Bible?

This is why I can't accept an old earth theory from a biblical perspective. It just makes absolutely no sense.
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you are correct in pointing out the inconsistency and selective exegesis...

and the reason for it basically comes down to this...old earth believers allow secular 'science' to tell them when a day in the bible is a literal twenty-four hour day and when it is not...

so they are allowing people who for the most part don't even believe the bible to interpret scripture for them...
 
superdave5221

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Tethered said:
Old earth doesn't align with scripture. The more beliefs you carry that don't align with scripture, then the more you reinforcing that scripture has less validity. -Simply a different way of wording JimmyDiggs's post.

Of course, since i'm not christian, feel free to question my motives.
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Hello, so you say that you are not Christian. I won't ask what your religion is, (technically atheism is also a religion, being a set of beliefs), but what is your worldview, if you don't mind me asking.


About 98% of the world fits into one of these six categories:
1. Islam
2. secular humanism
3. Marxist humanism
4. cosmic humanism
5. Post Modern
6. Christian

Just curious where you are coming from.
 
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megaman125

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RachelBibleStudent said:
you are correct in pointing out the inconsistency and selective exegesis...

and the reason for it basically comes down to this...old earth believers allow secular 'science' to tell them when a day in the bible is a literal twenty-four hour day and when it is not...

so they are allowing people who for the most part don't even believe the bible to interpret scripture for them...
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Not only that, but if you read the creation account in Genesis 1, it should be plain as day (pun intended) that it's talking about literal 24 hour days. It says there was evening and morning, the first day. Then you have evening, morning, day 2. There's only one evening and one morning, then the next day. There's no room to throw billions of years in that.
 
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Tethered

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superdave5221 said:
Hello, so you say that you are not Christian. I won't ask what your religion is, (technically atheism is also a religion, being a set of beliefs), but what is your worldview, if you don't mind me asking.


About 98% of the world fits into one of these six categories:
1. Islam
2. secular humanism
3. Marxist humanism
4. cosmic humanism
5. Post Modern
6. Christian

Just curious where you are coming from.
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I feel closest to secular humanism; and given somewhat greater significance in this thread than intended :p
 
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