Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circles?

[1still_waters]

Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circles?

I've been wondering why the "Jezebel spirit" concept is mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, and Word of Faith circles.
While examining the JS issue in another thread, of which I'm not going to hijack, hence this thread, I think I found the reason the JS concept is mostly in these circles. I mean I rarely hear anyone outside of these circles talk about the "Jezebel spirit" concept.

First some background.

Jezebel was an Old Testament woman who domineered over a man and his kingdom. She exercised authority over a man. Then in Rev2:20, we see another Jezebel who claimed to be a prophetess.

But in a nutshell, she was a woman who took authority over a man.

So why is this issue such a big sounding point for those in Charismatic, Pentecostal, and Word of Faith movements?

My theory...
They have "Jezebel spirits" because their doctrine promotes them.

As a whole, those movements are open to women being pastors and preachers and such.
They're fine with women exercising authority over men in those offices.

So maybe the JS concept is such a big deal in those movements, because they're trying hard to diagnose what's wrong, but they keep missing it, because they won't follow scriptures that address things like women exercising authority over men.

1 Timothy 2
[SUP]11 [/SUP]A woman[SUP][a][/SUP] should learn in quietness and full submission.[SUP]12 [/SUP]I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[SUP][b][/SUP] she must be quiet.

1 Cor 14
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Women[SUP][f][/SUP] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. [SUP]35 [/SUP]If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.[SUP][g][/SUP]
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? [SUP]37 [/SUP]If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. [SUP]38 [/SUP]But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored.[SUP][h][/SUP]

Maybe these movements are simply reaping what they have sown.

They go about blindly seeking for the reason they have a problem with women taking authority over men. They develop elaborate theories, and systems, and criminal profiles, all in the attempts to spot that elusive thing known as "Jezebel spirit". They do all of this, while failing to realize the issue of women domineering over men would be remedied if they'd just follow the Bible verses above.

They have "Jezebel spirits" because their doctrine promotes them.

 

[MidniteWelder]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

Perhaps the problem is they are not realizing that Prophet by definition is not exclusive to
one who predicts the future,
but are deceived in the fact not realizing that by definition it also includes the title of "teacher"
As Jesus was the eptiome of prophet and teacher equally, not being one or the other,

One detriment for going against Gods instruction in how he asks his church to utilize its authority is that Teachers are held to a higher standard.
It is Within this fact of being instructed that women are not to not exercise authority over men that even claiming or teaching over men is still flying under the radar undetected as being a
Prophetess..thereby going against Gods word exercising authority over men, since for the most part we know what we are taught.
Women are instructed to teach other women and children and within these guidelines we often see they dont teach the younger women to be subject to their husbands and instead teach from a stance of past issues which manifest as a stance of fear...
We are told not to live in fear.
It can be understandable if such women have endured some sort of past abuse from men
But it still doesnt justify usurping Gods word...it still dont make it right simply if one "FEELS" strongly when it goes against Gods word.
Im certain Abraham did not FEEEEL good about having to be asked to sacrifice his son for no reason.
But obedience to the Lord is still higher...and look at the resulting blessings for it.

It is the enemy we know that wants us to live in fear, women to live in fear of mens authority, and women to live in fear of being submissive to their husband as God instructs.
When we see this stance it can be easily recognized that since therte is no fear in Christ and that anything not done of faith is sin.....the conclusion that teaching from a stance of fear is a tactic of the enemy and thereby also recognizable as a likely influence of the JS...to undermine mens authority in the church and household.
The authorities are in place by God not for Good conduct since good conduct need not be addressed but for bad conduct.
It is when bad conduct is addressed where terms like abusive and controlling start to emanate as a means to foster usurping the Authorities God has placed as servants for his good.

However...I would not disagree with women sharing experiences and insights into what they have learned from the Lord in their own life, and that men would be able to learn from such experiences.
Yet at the same time a person being "influenced" by the Jezebel spirit has not authority of their own, but borrows from the authority of another, hence how Jezebel was able to influence a nation(not on her own notice she borrows from the authority of men)
through Ahab.
As well we can notice the same infiltration in the church is authority still only granted by(borrowed from) men who either relented or allowed such. (often from the squeaky wheel gets greased tactic)
Most often when the JS authority is either challenged or taken away, the resistant spiritual influence will be manifest itself and be more easily recognized by showing resistance.
Often followed by threats, manipulation, direct lying of any accusation as a reason for removing her authority, as well as temper tantrums.
Including indirect death threats and intimidation.


proph·et(pr

f

t)n.1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.
2. A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.
3. A predictor; a soothsayer.
4. The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause. (such as womens lib or femenism)




Women have a great place in the church and within Gods calling, they can be protected, loved, and upheld as cherished and important, yet spoiling or catering to wants was never in the equation.
God doesn not even spoil his church, since much like a child one knows it is wrong for the child to suddenly become the parent.
We can't parent the Father...he parents us...and it stands to good reason and wisdom which is higher than ones feelings or how one feels about a thing that Gods ways are higher than ours.
Jesus loves the church but he also said
"if you love me...you will obey my commands."
Are we to call Christ manipulative or controlling for placing a condition both works within faith upon the church?

While yes its true many men have abused their God given authority
Solomon one of the wisest even let things go to his head.
Moses one of Gods great...was still punished for not obeying God perfectly as was said.
So who are we to tell the potter how to use his clay?

Now to be fair...honestly I dont want that authority, I dont want to be a teacher.
I dont want the responsibility that goes along with it.
I could say sure let women have at it

But........its just not how God outlined things to be...
So the men gotta stand for God even if it turns ones own mother or father or family against them.

 

[zone]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

I've been wondering why the "Jezebel spirit" concept is mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, and Word of Faith circles.

They have "Jezebel spirits" because their doctrine promotes them.

that was too easy still.

with style.

 

[Donkeyfish07]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

It's always going to be a topic looked at more closely in circles that still believe in gifts of the spirit and/or demonic possession I think. Your never going to see it mentioned in a cessationist type church.....unless it's about all that false doctrine them pentecostals/charismatics are teaching type discussion.

 

[cutepoison]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

THIS IS WEIRD. I was just looking up info on the Jezebel spirit, and this showed up on recent posts. Craziness I tell you.

 

[zone]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

It's always going to be a topic looked at more closely in circles that still believe in gifts of the spirit and/or demonic possession I think. Your never going to see it mentioned in a cessationist type church

that's what i been tryin' to tell ya!

since the gifts ceased, why play demonbuster?

why not just look more closely at the BIBLE instead of John Paul Jackson and Co.?

actually, if you look more closely at the Co.....oh n.m

 

[ABMF]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

Smile! Smile! Smile!

 

[MidniteWelder]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

its cool,
either Jesus' warnings are real or not depending upon ones own private interpretation

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

 

[damombomb]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

I believe what the word says, that woman Jezebel, some take the word at face value

 

[MaggieMye]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

"why the "Jezebel spirit" concept is [spoken of and defined]mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, and Word of Faith circles"

Because traditional churches (Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist and the like) do not address or deal with the spiritual realm on any level. They are ignorant of it because they do not (for the most part) read the Word of God, let alone study it. Nor do they address spirits of pride, fear, religion, rebellion, rejection, or any of their
co-harts. "Ignorance is bliss" is an unspoken part of their doctrine; what they don't know (they think) can't hurt them.
Maggie

 

[danschance]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

I've been wondering why the "Jezebel spirit" concept is mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, and Word of Faith circles.
While examining the JS issue in another thread, of which I'm not going to hijack, hence this thread, I think I found the reason the JS concept is mostly in these circles. I mean I rarely hear anyone outside of these circles talk about the "Jezebel spirit" concept.

First some background.

Jezebel was an Old Testament woman who domineered over a man and his kingdom. She exercised authority over a man. Then in Rev2:20, we see another Jezebel who claimed to be a prophetess.

But in a nutshell, she was a woman who took authority over a man.

So why is this issue such a big sounding point for those in Charismatic, Pentecostal, and Word of Faith movements?

My theory...
They have "Jezebel spirits" because their doctrine promotes them.

As a whole, those movements are open to women being pastors and preachers and such.
They're fine with women exercising authority over men in those offices.

So maybe the JS concept is such a big deal in those movements, because they're trying hard to diagnose what's wrong, but they keep missing it, because they won't follow scriptures that address things like women exercising authority over men.





Maybe these movements are simply reaping what they have sown.

They go about blindly seeking for the reason they have a problem with women taking authority over men. They develop elaborate theories, and systems, and criminal profiles, all in the attempts to spot that elusive thing known as "Jezebel spirit". They do all of this, while failing to realize the issue of women domineering over men would be remedied if they'd just follow the Bible verses above.

They have "Jezebel spirits" because their doctrine promotes them.

What evidence can you post that Jezebel spirit is linked to the charismatic or spirit filled movements? I see none.

 

[danschance]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

"why the "Jezebel spirit" concept is [spoken of and defined]mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, and Word of Faith circles"

Because traditional churches (Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist and the like) do not address or deal with the spiritual realm on any level. They are ignorant of it because they do not (for the most part) read the Word of God, let alone study it. Nor do they address spirits of pride, fear, religion, rebellion, rejection, or any of their
co-harts. "Ignorance is bliss" is an unspoken part of their doctrine; what they don't know (they think) can't hurt them.
Maggie

This is interesting and you might have a valid point. Traditional church for the most part does not acknowledge anything of the spirit realm beyound the pages of the bible. Even so, I am not sure that the whole basis for this thread is rooted in facts. The concept of "Jezebel-spirit" comes from deliverance. If demons exist, it has nothing to do with any denomination or spirit led group. I do not see it as having any connection to a spirit led movement, but I see your point and find it to be worth pondering.

 

[zone]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

"why the "Jezebel spirit" concept is [spoken of and defined]mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, and Word of Faith circles"

Because traditional churches (Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist and the like) do not address or deal with the spiritual realm on any level. They are ignorant of it because they do not (for the most part) read the Word of God, let alone study it. Nor do they address spirits of pride, fear, religion, rebellion, rejection, or any of their
co-harts. "Ignorance is bliss" is an unspoken part of their doctrine; what they don't know (they think) can't hurt them.
Maggie

LOL MAGGIE!

Lutherans deal with the spiritual realm on EVERY level.

JESUS won the victory -that's Who we honor.


John 16:11
and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.

Hebrews 2:14
Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death--that is, the devil

They are ignorant of it because they do not (for the most part) read the Word of God, let alone study it.

COUGH COUGH

Nor do they address spirits of pride, fear, religion, rebellion, rejection, or any of their
co-harts. "Ignorance is bliss" is an unspoken part of their doctrine; what they don't know (they think) can't hurt them.
Maggie

ya we do.
we can it SIN.

 

[zone]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

"Ignorance is bliss" is an unspoken part of their doctrine; what they don't know (they think) can't hurt them.
Maggie

Lutheran churches are nice and peaceful.
Law & Gospel, joy and thanksgiving.

no flopping around; rebuking 7 mountains TRASH.

that's for the C Peter Wagner crowd.
such as yourself.
demons behind every bush - apparently my candy is possessed too.
i'm writing a book on it.

The Spirit of KitKat.
but i am looking for NEW ideas.

possibility of a movie deal later.

....

"A few years ago I watched Peter Wagner state in an interview on CBN “I believe that the government of the church is finally coming into place and that is the, the scripture teaches in Eph. 2 that the foundation of the church is apostles and prophets, previous to this decade of the 80’s and the 90’s we practically ignored prophets and apostles and now were seeing, that I believe is a major reason were going to new levels in prayer were going to new levels in spiritual warfare, were going to new levels in healing and miracles were going to new levels of deliverance, of demonic deliverance and so that’s so this is the new era we are going into, I don’t know if its coincidental or what but its just as we are moving into the new millennium.” (CBN interview Jan.3, 2000)

What Wagner presented was nothing new at all, it was the very premise the Latter Rain used in the late 40's early 50's.

C. Peter Wagner and Ben F Gray wrote: “The New Apostolic Reformation is an extraordinary work of the Holy Spirit that is changing the shape of Christianity globally. It is truly a new day! The Church is changing. New names! New methods! New worship expressions. The Lord is establishing the foundations of the Church for the new millennium. This foundation is built upon Apostles and Prophets “(The organisers of the Apostles and Prophets Conference (APC) Brisbane - February 2000)."

Welcome the NEW PROPHETS to the head of the church

 

[damombomb]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

Luke10:20Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

The Jezebel spirit is popular teaching in mixed groups divided about women in authority.

 

[1still_waters]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

What evidence can you post that Jezebel spirit is linked to the charismatic or spirit filled movements? I see none.

Uhhh those are the only ones I hear talking about it so much.

Do an internet search, and then see which movements are behind the discussion.
You'll find MOST are from those groups.

 

[Donkeyfish07]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

that's what i been tryin' to tell ya!

since the gifts ceased, why play demonbuster?

why not just look more closely at the BIBLE instead of John Paul Jackson and Co.?

actually, if you look more closely at the Co.....oh n.m

Usually when it comes to stuff like this, I've never read the material of these authors people mention......like I've never even heard of that John Paul Jackson guy. I was into the occult before I got saved so I know some things from that side (although on this topic, I never seen anything regarding Jezebel), as far as what some of those groups practice and what they believe. People voluntarily and involuntarily get possessed all the time when they mess with that stuff.....and some of those people end up getting saved after seeing the reality of it.

I'm not a cessationist myself, I believe gifts are still in full operation (I didn't even know there were actually labels for cessationist/non-cessationist before I got on CC...I didn't think it was necessary or that big of a point of dispute)......but I also acknowledge less people have them and less people are willing to receive them even though we have more Christians by the number these days. I also agree that there are false teachers in the Charismatic circles that twist things out of context (the tounges issue is a good example) so it's a very jigsawed issue. We have more false teachers all around than in our grand parents day at the very least so I don't see a problem with people questioning everything when it comes to topics like these.

The gifts aren't what's important though so I never really debate the issue.....Romans 10:9 is way more important

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

As long as a person has that taken care of, they are my brother or sister in Christ.

 

[AngelCakes]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

Doesn't the 'jezebel spirit' have more to do with rebellion against God?

Jezebel (in the old testament) did dominate her husband, but good ole' king Ahab was kind of a slouch. She was deceitful, evil and rebellious, not against her husband but against God. I always understood that as being the 'jezebel spirit', and that it really had nothing to do with her husband.

 

[Donkeyfish07]

Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

Doesn't the 'jezebel spirit' have more to do with rebellion against God?

Jezebel (in the old testament) did dominate her husband, but good ole' king Ahab was kind of a slouch. She was deceitful, evil and rebellious, not against her husband but against God. I always understood that as being the 'jezebel spirit', and that it really had nothing to do with her husband.

I think the primary thing people that believe it's an actual problem focus on is that the Jezebel Spirit attempts to seduce people and tries to lead them into idolatry via manipulation (Manipulation being a way to get what you desire, therefore I guess you could say a method of domination). Most of the opposition I see is basically people taking the perspective that the "Jezebel Spirit" is not mentioned in the bible and therefore unbiblical.

I think that pretty accurately sums up the way debates on the topic usually go.....then you have all kinds of side tangents about how to deal with it assuming it's actually a real problem with tons of points and counterpoints on that.