Should Christians celebrate Christmas as a religious holiday?

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BiblicalTruth

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[video=youtube;9Bkf3pjKaK8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bkf3pjKaK8&list=HL1387082681&feature=mh_l olz[/video]

I say no for several reasons.

1. Jesus wasn't born during this time

2. Christmas didn't originate until hundreds of years after Christ was born.

3. The Bible never gives us instruction too.

Watch the video for further explanation, it's really good!
 

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4. There's no prohibition in Scripture to remember and celebrate the Incarnation...the fact that God took on our human nature in order to eventually die for our sins...whatever day it may be.
 
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I've got my wooden club. Has anyone seen my dead horse?
 
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Crazylove

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I believe in making every holiday no mattr th orgin to glorify God. They're awesome witnessing opportunities! Invite ur neighborhood to a Jesus Birthday party for example and tell them about Jesus coming to earth to one day die. Taking th sin of all humanity and th full wrath of God that we deserved. I think it's ok 2 celebrate Jesus birth, but as a time to reflect on what Jesus came for, not trees, santa,etc.
biblical birth is a mournful time because of hardships of life and death is a joyful time because of leaving th pain of this life 4 glory,but our world's changed this concept.
just as Paul said it's ok to eat th meat offered to idols becuz it's nothing 2 us, so do I find it alright to celebrate a pagan rooted holiday for becuz th paganess of it means nothing 2 us.
 
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Crazylove

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I really liked th video and respect ur opinion greatly! Celebrating or not celebrating Christmas doesn't really mattr, all that mattrs is having Christ in our hearts! :)
 
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I like your point of view Crazylove; good way of looking at it! :)
 
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Luke 2 NASB

1Now in those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus, that a census be taken of all the inhabited earth. 2This was the first census taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. 3And everyone was on his way to register for the census, each to his own city.
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Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David, 5in order to register along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child. 6While they were there, the days were completed for her to give birth. 7And she gave birth to her firstborn son; and she wrapped Him in cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
8In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night. 9And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened. 10But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people; 11for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. 12“This will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.” 13And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,

14“Glory to God in the highest,
And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.”


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When the angels had gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds began saying to one another, “Let us go straight to Bethlehem then, and see this thing that has happened which the Lord has made known to us.” 16So they came in a hurry and found their way to Mary and Joseph, and the baby as He lay in the manger. 17When they had seen this, they made known the statement which had been told them about this Child.
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And all who heard it wondered at the things which were told them by the shepherds. 19But Mary treasured all these things, pondering them in her heart. 20The shepherds went back, glorifying and praising God for all that they had heard and seen, just as had been told them.

That's why we celebrate Christmas. ♥
(of course, you may do as you like :) )




 

Hizikyah

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Should Christians worship other gods?

The 1st Commandment is "you shall have no gods in the face of Yahweh."

The Hebrew doesn't say "before me" its none at all!

This festival of tree worship goes well before Messiah.

Would it be ok to do demonic rituals and say its for Jesus or its ok to do?

If you care so little about the way you worship the Creator of all that is, you are on dangerous ground.





Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"

1 Kings 14:23, "Because they also built for themselves high places, sacred pillars and sacred poles on every elevated hill and under every green tree."

Yeremyah 7:9-11, "Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, vow falsely, burn incense to Baal follow hinder gods you know nothing of, And then come and stand before Me in this House upon which My Name is called, and say; We are saved! Saved to do all these abominations? Has this House, which is called with My Name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen this! says Yahweh."
 

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Colossians 2:16
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths.

Romans 14:4-10
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. [SUP]5 [/SUP]One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[SUP][a][/SUP] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For to this end Christ died and rose[SUP][b][/SUP] and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.[SUP][c][/SUP]
 
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Tintin

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Oh, Hizikyah, not you again! I don't know of anyone who worships their Christmas tree. Your logic isn't logic at all.
 

loveme1

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I believe most of us here are aware of the paganism origin, but that also goes with the names given to days of the week.

Monday-moon day Sunday-sun day

While most here are not worshiping the tree, many are desiring what gifts they want to find under it.

The wisdom comes from knowing the Greatest Gift man can receive, came into the world from Heavenly Father.

neither trees or phantom red and white idols can change this Truth!

Peace and Good tidings from the Most High GOD to you all.
 

Hizikyah

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Oh, Hizikyah, not you again! I don't know of anyone who worships their Christmas tree. Your logic isn't logic at all.
Parents tell their children lies, to pray to satan for presents, I mean Santa....

The children kneel before the tree to recieve their amazing gifts...

People spend much time getting in "the christmas spirit"...

demon worshipers dont worship their rituals....

It is amazing o me people find ways to justify their pagan practices while never once doing or even wanting to do the Holy Days Yahweh has given mankind....

The Messiah did was not Sacrificed so people could celebrate Babylonian rituals...
 

Hizikyah

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Colossians 2:16
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths.

Romans 14:4-10
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. [SUP]5 [/SUP]One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[SUP][a][/SUP] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For to this end Christ died and rose[SUP][b][/SUP] and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.[SUP][c][/SUP]
Yay pagan practices and we cant tell believers not to do demon rituals!!!!

You misunderstand those verses and misuse them...

Colossians 2:16-23, "16Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, 17which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body [is] of the Christ; 18let no one beguile you of your prize, delighting in humble-mindedness and [in] worship of the messengers, intruding into the things he hath not seen, being vainly puffed up by the mind of his flesh, 19and not holding the head, from which all the body — through the joints and bands gathering supply, and being knit together — may increase with the increase of God.20If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances? 21— thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle — 22which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men, 23which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body — not in any honour, unto a satisfying of the flesh."

I think we have v16 down, I want to focus on 20-23, as to see context. Shaul (Paul) in nearly all his thoughts talks about a topic and then goes on to explain, he uses an advanced style of writing as his (worldly) education was beyond that of the other NT writers.

20If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances?

So he is saying if your dead to the world why would you subject yourself to its (the worlds) ordinances. To think he is saying if your dead to the world then why would you subject yourself to Yahweh"s/Yahshua's Commandments would make no sense, but he explains it further.

21— thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle

the pharisees had a law in which you could not eat meat and cheese togather, or even within 4 houhs of eachother. Now this is not in Yahweh's Law even, Yahweh's Law says dont boil a child in its mothers milk (3 times) (the local pagans had this as a religious practice Yahweh did not want His people to partake in these evil pagan practices) the pharisees using something called "midrashic interpretation" the pharisees looked at it and said well since it says this three times it must meant three different things. SO THEY MADE UP THEIR OWN LAW, that was completely disconnected from Scripture and enforced it as from Yahweh.

22which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men,

So here very clearly he states "the commandments of men", now if you read from 16-20 you see he stays on topic, and 20 says basically if your dead to the world why do what the world tells you, so we can see he is still on this topic from v16. In this verse 22, he says "which are all for destruction", how does Sabbath lead to destruction and it would also have to be a "commandment of men" if there is ant commandment that is the farthest thing possible from being a "commandment of men" it is the Sabbath, it was from creation and it shows the AUTHORITY of the Creator, the mark of the Creator. Also tying a "commandment of men" to destruction Romans 8:13, "For if you live according to the commandments of men, you will die; but if, through the Spirit, you put to death; put an end to, the evildoing of mankind, you will live."

23which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body — not in any honour, unto a satisfying of the flesh.

Pleasing of the pharisees by following the talmud. v22 for context = "after the commands and teachings of men"

you see the pharisees would have a problem if you did things according to Yahweh's instruction and not their ORAL LAW, this is shown in MATT 15, 23, mark 7:7-9, etc

If you kept the Sabbath NOT according to the Talmud but according to the Scriptures the Pharisees would have a problem.

Matt 12:10 & 12, "And, behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. Then they asked
Him, saying; Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath Days?--so that they might accuse Him."
"And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

The "Rabbis" also made their own holidays, Haunnaka and Rosh hashanna and more. when they left babylon they even changed the names of the moons (months), and rosh hashanna even changes the time of the new year, commandment and ordinances of men. the calendar Yahweh instuted is Yahweh's calendar, the one who created it created the heavens and the earth. Our current calendar is the gregorian calendar, which goes back to the bablonian calendar. Yahweh said the days end and begin at sunset, not the "Rabbis."

% made up "feast days" the Pharisees may had, brought you to trial, beat, imprisoned, or even killed you for not honoring. The Talmud tells a story of another "Rabbi" disagreeing and wanting to follow the Scriptures, and the head Pharisees makes then man, on threat of death appear in public on a Scriptual Feast Day in a way that the man cant honor Yahweh, thus commanding him to disobey Yahweh.

Rosh Hashanah (New Year)
Rosh Hashanah occurs on the first and second days of Tishri (the 7th moon or month, Yahweh's year starts in the 1st month). In Hebrew, Rosh Hashanah means, literally, "head of the year" or "first of the year." Rosh Hashanah is commonly known as the Jewish New Year.

How does the year start in the 7th month? According to the Scriptures and Yahweh;s calendar the year starts in the 1st month, Abib.

Chanukkah
On the 25th of Kislev are the days of Chanukkah, which are eight... these were appointed a Festival with Hallel [prayers of praise] and thanksgiving. -Shabbat 21b, Babylonian Talmud

Tu B'Shevat
There are four new years... the first of Shevat is the new year for trees according to the ruling of Beit Shammai; Beit Hillel, however, places it on the fifteenth of that month. -Mishnah Rosh Hashanah 1:1

Purim
Is one of the most joyous and fun holidays on the Jewish calendar. It commemorates a time when the Jewish people living in Persia were saved from extermination.

Tisha B'Av
Five misfortunes befell our fathers ... on the ninth of Av. ...On the ninth of Av it was decreed that our fathers should not enter the [Promised] Land, the Temple was destroyed the first and second time, Bethar was captured and the city [Jerusalem] was ploughed up. -Mishnah Ta'anit 4:6
 

loveme1

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Parents tell their children lies, to pray to satan for presents, I mean Santa....

The children kneel before the tree to recieve their amazing gifts...

People spend much time getting in "the christmas spirit"...

demon worshipers dont worship their rituals....

It is amazing o me people find ways to justify their pagan practices while never once doing or even wanting to do the Holy Days Yahweh has given mankind....

The Messiah did was not Sacrificed so people could celebrate Babylonian rituals...
You should of heard the children singing praise to GOD last week through their nativity production.

I have never seen a person kneel before a tree for gifts though.
 

loveme1

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I do not celebrate Christmas (in the way i was raised to) but i will make a family day of love and peace, making the most of the day off.

My effort is keeping my children focused on Heavenly Father and the Messiah Yahshua.

Give thanks to GOD loudly.
 

Hizikyah

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If a child is singing praises to the Creator that is beautiful, what do we need a re purposed Babylonian religious festival for that?

I do not try to justify false worship before my Father, it is telling though when a person who stands against false worship is the outcast....

There is not a single part of christmas that is not a lie.

There is a Messiah, but He was not born on Dec 25th, and every part of this day has zero to do with Him...

Sad, how do you think Yahweh and Yahshua feel when people are performing rituals of pagan gods and saying its for them???

Yeremyah 10 "Do not learn the way of the heathen."

Find me a verse that says it is ok to perform pagan religious rites to Yahweh and Yahshua...
 

loveme1

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If a child is singing praises to the Creator that is beautiful, what do we need a re purposed Babylonian religious festival for that?

I do not try to justify false worship before my Father, it is telling though when a person who stands against false worship is the outcast....

There is not a single part of christmas that is not a lie.

There is a Messiah, but He was not born on Dec 25th, and every part of this day has zero to do with Him...

Sad, how do you think Yahweh and Yahshua feel when people are performing rituals of pagan gods and saying its for them???

Yeremyah 10 "Do not learn the way of the heathen."

Find me a verse that says it is ok to perform pagan religious rites to Yahweh and Yahshua...
I agree we should avoid the practices, but I also see how the Heart of many is in celebrating Heavenly Father's gift, Our Messiah.

We must be careful not to dismiss the fact the story of this is being relayed this time a year more than any, we should make the most of the opportunity.

How many children learn of the birth of the Messiah, if not at this time?
 

Hizikyah

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I do not celebrate Christmas (in the way i was raised to) but i will make a family day of love and peace, making the most of the day off.

My effort is keeping my children focused on Heavenly Father and the Messiah Yahshua.

Give thanks to GOD loudly.
I like focusing on Yahweh and Yahshua, beautiful, really beautiful.

But why do the DEC 25th pagan thing at all?

Yahweh tells us particular days HE calls "moadim" or appointed times, why not have enhanced worship and focus on those days? Especailly when they are the days the PERFECTLY map out the work of the MEssiah Yahshua in both His 1st and 2nd coming?

Why do it on a day when satan says to do it? All lies come from satan, verything about christmas is a lie....

Yahchanan (John) 4:24, "Yahweh is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth."

It doesnt say "can worship in truth or lies, whatever you like!" It says MUST!

halleluYAHWEH for allowing us to search out His truths!