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I've studied up on how the new testament was put together, and it was because the emperor or Rome wanted to untie and strengthen his empire under one religion, so he called a lot of religious men to Rome, and gave them the task of putting together the new testament, they edited books and left books out that didn't go with the agenda of the emperor constantine. And this Bible is similar to the one we have today, constantines Bible was later edited further, to me that can't be simmering inspired by God but only by mans selfish needs. What do you think about this? Please give honest answers, don't think I'm attacking anyone, this is why I'm an agnostic....well one of the reasons
 
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go to wikipedia, it was really a slow process. the gostic writings were rejected early and what were accepted were supposedly of apostolic origin. it was a lot more complicated than a simple decision by constantine. actually constantine was dead when the canon became official.
 

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I've studied up on how the new testament was put together, and it was because the emperor or Rome wanted to untie and strengthen his empire under one religion, so he called a lot of religious men to Rome, and gave them the task of putting together the new testament, they edited books and left books out that didn't go with the agenda of the emperor constantine. And this Bible is similar to the one we have today, constantines Bible was later edited further, to me that can't be simmering inspired by God but only by mans selfish needs. What do you think about this? Please give honest answers, don't think I'm attacking anyone, this is why I'm an agnostic....well one of the reasons
Are you getting your information from The Da Vinci Code? Honest question. There's a lot to this and if you truly want to understand it, it's gonna take more than a paragraph or even a couple of paragraphs to get it. I can tell you the books chosen were not chosen on personal whim. I would suggest "The Canon of Scripture." by F.F. Bruce for a very academic book. If you're looking for something a bit easier to read, then "The New Testament Documents; Are They Reliable?" by F.F. Bruce is better. There a ton of biblical historians who have written on this subject. I would definitely do lots of research before jumping to conclusions though. I would also strongly suggest, "The Historical Reliability of the Gospels" by Craig Bloomberg. He's a great author and a very intelligent New Testament scholar. :) Good luck in your studies. I have found the only way to truly find answers to spend lots of time searching and studying on my own with a little guidance from others on where to look. I would say prayer too, but there was a time when I was agnostic and prayer was not something I would resort to. So I can understand your reservations. You'll be surprised at how weak the oppositions' objections are when they stand up to scrutiny. ;)
 
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Emperor Constantine did not write or compile the New Testament. He merely convened a Council of the foremost Christian scholars during his day and time to clarify the biblical quandries of his time era shortly after he converted to Christ.
 
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It is just as important to know how the fathers of the church developed our church structure in the first 350 years as it is to know scripture, for many of their ideas are still in our church today that are not what scripture teaches. We have writings now that tells us what went on in 324 at the Council at Nicene when church fathers met for three years to discuss how our church was to be organized. It is important we find accurate reports of that council and compare it to scripture. It isn't just something that happened then, it is part of our church structure today. For instance, a basic premise of that council was to organize a church that was far from God the Creator, Jews followed God and we must not follow Jews, they said.

However, what is to be included in the bible as scripture has been carefully gone over for years. If there is doubt, it is not included although we can read it as history. If you go over why certain books are not scripture, there is always a good reason. We have enough books we can be sure of that we can know about God by the ones we have, I am sure that God helped the many men who worked at this.
 

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For instance, a basic premise of that council was to organize a church that was far from God the Creator, Jews followed God and we must not follow Jews, they said.
Can you give a source for this assertion?
 

Hizikyah

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Can you give a source for this assertion?
"... it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast we should follow the practice of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin, and are, therefore, deservedly afflicted with blindness of soul. ... Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way."

Eusebius, Life of Constantine Vol. III Ch. XVIII Life of Constantine (Book III)

Out with Passover and Unleavened in with Easter and Christmas....

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time"
 
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"... it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast we should follow the practice of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin, and are, therefore, deservedly afflicted with blindness of soul. ... Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way."

Eusebius, Life of Constantine Vol. III Ch. XVIII Life of Constantine (Book III)

Out with Passover and Unleavened in with Easter and Christmas....

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time"
Or maybe it came about because Christians were cast out of the synagogues after the destruction of the Temple?
 

Hizikyah

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"... it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast we should follow the practice of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin, and are, therefore, deservedly afflicted with blindness of soul. ... Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way."

Eusebius, Life of Constantine Vol. III Ch. XVIII Life of Constantine (Book III)

Out with Passover and Unleavened in with Easter and Christmas....

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time"
Mattithyah20:19, "They will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock, to scourge, and to impale; but the third day He will be raised up."

Mark 10:33, "And said: Behold, we go up to Yerusalem, and the Son of Man will be handed over to the chief priests and the scribes; then they will condemn Him to death, and will hand Him over to the Gentiles, And they will mock Him, and will scourge Him, and will spit upon Him, and will kill Him; but the third day He will be raised up."

Luke 18:32, "For He will be handed over to the Gentiles, and will be mocked, insulted, and spat upon. Then they will scourge Him, and put Him to death: but on the third day He will be raised up."
 

Hizikyah

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"... it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast we should follow the practice of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin, and are, therefore, deservedly afflicted with blindness of soul. ... Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way."

Eusebius, Life of Constantine Vol. III Ch. XVIII Life of Constantine (Book III)

Out with Passover and Unleavened in with Easter and Christmas....

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time"
Or maybe it came about because Christians were cast out of the synagogues after the destruction of the Temple?
Yeah, that "or maybe" completely overrides that historical and Scriptural truth.
 

Hizikyah

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I do want to state I have never seen anything to make me think Constantine created the "NT", he did kill off millions who worshiped in the correct way and convert the religion to a mixture, evidence is seen in him minting "committed to the unconquerable sun" on his coins and on his clothing for 30 years after his "conversion."
 

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Can you give a source for this assertion?
I get the antisemitism that existed amongst the early church fathers but it was the statement, ''to organize a church that was far from God our Creator'' that was concerning to me. It's not like they deliberately convened for that purpose.
 
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Constantine and the Apostles are rather different categories.
 

Hizikyah

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I get the antisemitism that existed amongst the early church fathers but it was the statement, ''to organize a church that was far from God our Creator'' that was concerning to me. It's not like they deliberately convened for that purpose.
All the evidence points OVERWHELMINGLY towards a certain direction....

Constantine killed every true believer he could and "changed" Yahweh's Instructions, which was prophesied in Daniyl 7:25, to me this is without a doubt demonic, and not even by mistake, as Constantine enforced the holy day of Sol Invictus Mithra...

Personally saying there is nothing here is like a judge letting a suspected murder go because the police only found him standing over the body with the murder weapon in his hand, but not actually stabbing..... free to go?
 
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Can you give a source for this assertion?
I wonder if you are serious about wanting to find accurate history of this council or trying to find a reason be critical?

I didn't make a list of the history books I went through, although I found checking authors for who backs them is a good indication of accuracy. Our top theological colleges have professors with good backgrounds.

The Catholic Church has been gathering historical information the longest, they report some of it on their site. I think it would be a good place to start.

I found that most historians have a bias, and to assess their accuracy it is a good thing to find their bias.
 

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I'm glad questions about the historicity of the bible get mentioned because people post up resources to look at like in Pies post. I've been wondering about how the bible was put together but didn't really know where to look or what was reputable. Thanks guys :)
 

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I wonder if you are serious about wanting to find accurate history of this council or trying to find a reason be critical?

I didn't make a list of the history books I went through, although I found checking authors for who backs them is a good indication of accuracy. Our top theological colleges have professors with good backgrounds.

The Catholic Church has been gathering historical information the longest, they report some of it on their site. I think it would be a good place to start.

I found that most historians have a bias, and to assess their accuracy it is a good thing to find their bias.
No, I don't just believe something because someone says it is so...that's why I asked for a source.
Yes, we all have our biases...again why I asked.
 
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I've studied up on how the new testament was put together, and it was because the emperor or Rome wanted to untie and strengthen his empire under one religion, so he called a lot of religious men to Rome, and gave them the task of putting together the new testament, they edited books and left books out that didn't go with the agenda of the emperor constantine. And this Bible is similar to the one we have today, constantines Bible was later edited further, to me that can't be simmering inspired by God but only by mans selfish needs. What do you think about this? Please give honest answers, don't think I'm attacking anyone, this is why I'm an agnostic....well one of the reasons
Constantine was born around 280 AD, we have NT papyrus that predate him by over a century.

New Testament Manuscripts from the First Century